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Yea. Never gonna happen. Why? Microsoft is against free software, and will avoid disclosing their use of it (though they'll probably still copy it) at all costs.

While the cynic in me agrees with you, the logical side of me believes that MS has been called on using free software in the past (such as copying GPL'd code in their Windows 7 USB install tool). I don't see them being foolish enough to risk such a critical part of their system (not to mention that gnome-shell is coded in C while their UI isn't). MS doesn't want to push against the GPL in court. If the GPL were invalidated, it would also likely invalidate many other code licenses and the chances of MS being bitten too is not a risk they are likely to take.
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That advanced menu is sort of a bribe to advanced users - it is activated by clicking with the right mouse button on the place where once used to be the Start Menu lol, but it doesn't really add anything. Let's address its content: Programs and Features is available from the Start menu ... Network Connections is available from the taskbar. Power Options and Event viewer are easily accessible without leaving the desktop by writing the first letters in the search. System is available with the same number of clicks for those who have "My Computer" icon on the desktop ... Device manager is available from both the system above as well as by just typing the first few letters in search. The same with disk management, computer management and command prompt. Task manager is accessible with Ctrl+Shift+Esc ... Control Panel is accessible from the Start Menu ... Windows Explorer is available as a pinned icon on the taskbar in Windows 7 ... Search, well, is self evident the Start menu has it. Run is also mind-boggling. You can run anything from the search box in Windows 7. And desktop ? What does that do ?
Let me summarize all the different locations you listed those items were previously available in Windows 7:
1. Start Menu
2. Taskbar
3. Typing in search
4. Right click on Computer
5. Keyboard shortcut

And in Windows 8:
1. The advanced menu


The purpose of the menu is not supposed to be some huge game changer, it's just a useful addition that puts a number of the most commonly used advanced functions/settings into one location. The administrator command prompt is particularly useful.

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The task manager: sure, nice improvement (although there is too much white for my comfort in that window), but again, not a game changer. You can use Windows 7's resource monitor to accomplish some of those things.
Again it is just a general improvement to the OS aimed at being more useful and providing more information than the incarnation in the prior version of Windows, consolidating more pertinent information in a central location.
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Windows explorer ribbon: a waste of space. Now if I want to make use of that very useful button that says "New folder", I have to expand the ribbon.
It comes back to placing commonly used features in one, easily accessible location. New folder is only in a drop down menu when you seriously shrink down the size of a Window.
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In Windows 7 all the important things are given relevance, while the not so important things are given a differentiated treatment. The ribbon prioritizes stuff in the first tab that many people don't agree with. Copy + Paste + Cut buttons ?
The entire purpose of the ribbon is to prioritize the most commonly used functions. Windows Explorer is a file manager. Hence, the ribbon contains file operations. Yes, there are some buttons for functions that also have keyboard shortcuts like copy/paste, but I would hardly go so far as to say their inclusion ruins the ribbon. There is also a button for "copy path", which is a very useful addition. The view tab houses very useful features that were once buried in Folder and Search options, like show/hide file extensions, show/hide hidden files, etc...
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If at least Microsoft would allow you to customize what functions would appear in the first tab, then it would be useful, but as it is, it's just Microsoft changing for the sake of change. A nice change would be to allow us to change it to our liking.
It certainly is not changing for the sake of change. It is unifying the interface that Microsoft already implemented with office, and in my opinion, is very useful. I do agree that being able to customize it would be better yet, but there will ALWAYS be room for improvements. You can't customize any menus in Windows 7, either. I do also see some logic to keeping it static, having a steady interface across all PCs to maintain continuity.
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File transfer: not counting some preliminary benchmarks that revealed that Windows 8 was actually slower than Windows 7 (that may have been corrected since because Microsoft has issued some updates prior to general availability of the OS), that picture is meaningless. Windows 7 can also use USB 3.0 transfer speeds. I don't know who that image is aimed at, but it must at be very gullible people unwillingly making the connection between Windows 8 = USB 3.0 and Windows 7 = USB 2.0.
It has nothing to do with faster file transfers, but was just serving as another example of improvements that have been made to the desktop environment. It provides more information than the file transfer dialog in Windows 7 in a logical and easy to understand way.
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As to accessing programs faster - your whole example falls to the floor with just this: create a shortcut for your program on the desktop.
No -- my example is sound. You are making a false comparison. You can't compare functions between Windows 7 and Windows 8 that are identical -- such as having icons on the desktop. Such a comparison is meaningless. Here is the correct comparison:

Windows 7 program locations:
1. Desktop
2. Taskbar
3. Start menu

Windows 8 progam locations:
1. Desktop
2. Taskbar
3. Start screen

We do not compare things that are the same, as again that is a meaningless comparison. Simply comparing the start menu to the start screen is the only relevant comparison, and going on what I said earlier, it would be faster to launch a program that is pinned to the start screen than one pinned to the start menu in general. The booting to start screen is also pretty much a non-issue. Why do you boot your computer? To stare at the desktop? Of course not. To run programs. By having your most frequently used programs on the start screen, the first boot to Windows 8 is actually faster than Windows 7 because instead of double clicking a desktop icon, you single click it on the start screen. And when you close the program, it will then bring you to the desktop. Even if you do need the desktop right away for whatever reason, it is a one time click after the computer turns on. Making that a sticking point really comes off as grasping at straws.
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win8 sucks. get over it. its a tablet os. its microsoft competing with apple. it sucks. win me is win8.
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win8 sucks. get over it. its a tablet os. its microsoft competing with apple. it sucks. win me is win8.

Your opinion, not fact.
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Your opinion, not fact.

it's fact.

it's a tablet os.
it's microsoft is competing with apple.
it sucks
win8 is win me
post #146 of 185
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Originally Posted by chrisguitar View Post

it's fact.
it's a tablet os.
it's microsoft is competing with apple.
it sucks
win8 is win me

I find the start screen perfectly usable on my desktop. Again, preferences = opinion, not fact.
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Another thing I don't like is that some "apps" don't close when you "toss" them. They just go and hide in the upper left hotcorner till you close them. Not good for the average PC user...
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I find the start screen perfectly usable on my desktop. Again, preferences = opinion, not fact.

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When your president is Steve Ballmer, windows 8 happens.
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I find the start screen perfectly usable on my desktop. Again, preferences = opinion, not fact.
Perfectly usable and annoying are not mutually exclusive.
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