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Its very simple really. If you want to sell a product, customers have to want to use it. Users switched from DOS to Windows because Windows was easier to use and more powerful. Windows 8 might have more features, and yes with a bit of tweaking you don't really have to use not-Metro, but that's not the point Microsoft is trying to make. They're showcasing not-Metro, asking everyone to completely change their computing habits and offering a poorly designed, unfinished UI.

Microsoft's motto for Windows 8 is basically "trust us, you'll like it eventually". If they went on Dragon's Den with Windows 8 they'd get laughed out of the building. Nobody in their right minds would invest in something like that.



What they should have done is made not-Metro completely optional for Windows 8, spent the next 2 years building and improving on it until its polished and stable with a respectable app library for a Windows 9 release with tighter integration.
    
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What they should have done is made not-Metro completely optional for Windows 8, spent the next 2 years building and improving on it until its polished and stable with a respectable app library for a Windows 9 release with tighter integration

Exactly what I was saying. But more civilized.
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Not impressed with Win 8 at all. Yes I have gotten hands on with it. It's better if you have a touchscreen but a majority of computers do not and the whole start screen should be optional for those who do.
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Its very simple really. If you want to sell a product, customers have to want to use it. Users switched from DOS to Windows because Windows was easier to use and more powerful. Windows 8 might have more features, and yes with a bit of tweaking you don't really have to use not-Metro, but that's not the point Microsoft is trying to make. They're showcasing not-Metro, asking everyone to completely change their computing habits and offering a poorly designed, unfinished UI.
Microsoft's motto for Windows 8 is basically "trust us, you'll like it eventually". If they went on Dragon's Den with Windows 8 they'd get laughed out of the building. Nobody in their right minds would invest in something like that.
What they should have done is made not-Metro completely optional for Windows 8, spent the next 2 years building and improving on it until its polished and stable with a respectable app library for a Windows 9 release with tighter integration.
Windows 8 is easier to use and more powerful, quite a minuscule argument there. As for people wanting to use it, well that's entirely up to them. I don't think any one opinion is going to change that. Also if you think you have to change the way you use your computer, then you have no clue entirely how Windows 8 works. There is a desktop, taskbar, and a start menu. I can't see how anyone can sadly mistake it for anything else. I would agree to some extent that the new start menu isn't completed entirely. There is some qwerks, unsupported screen resolutions, some unique multi screen support, and what not that could be added to it. But more over the start menu is stable, there isn't any instability about Windows 8 its the most stable OS to date. And lastly the app library already consists of over 300+ applications, and Windows 8 isn't even out the door yet.
Edited by Warmonger - 10/20/12 at 6:57pm
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Windows 8 is easier to use and more powerful.
What?
It is by no means easier to use, as it is pretty much the same as Windows 7, but with the added annoyance in the fact that many applications only show up in the search screen as their metro form, which just is inconvenient.
It is also no more powerful; it loads faster, but it has effectively the same performance in programs as Windows 7.
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What?
It is by no means easier to use, as it is pretty much the same as Windows 7, but with the added annoyance in the fact that many applications only show up in the search screen as their metro form, which just is inconvenient.
It is also no more powerful; it loads faster, but it has effectively the same performance in programs as Windows 7.

It's actually pretty darn easy to use once you stop whining and start thinking, took me 15 minutes.
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Here's my "I told you so" to those of you who acted like I was crazy a few months back when I said Windows 8 won't have a positive impact on the 'average Joe' users.
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I don't have such an issue with the metro. I just can't understand why there has to be a lock screen right at startup that pretty much takes their new scheme and jams it right between a first time user and the log-on. How about easing people into it? It's not a cellphone, can't the system recognize a touchscreen? DUH.

You can disable it with netplwiz, so when you start your computer it immediately goes to the Metro Start screen (it makes log-on automatic)

I've been using the release preview since it was released, and today I installed Windows 8 Pro RTM through my brother's IEEE MSDNAA (only things that changed from RP -> RTM seem to be mostly cosmetic). Here are my two cents, mostly unchanged since I last reviewed the release preview:

- I like Windows 8's under the hood improvements, makes it great for SSDs, boot sleep/hibernate and shut down are ridiculously fast, and everything feels snappier.

- The Metro start screen isn't quite as useful as I thought it would be. There are still some visual inconsistencies that make Windows 8 feel unrefined.. the transition between Metro and the desktop just feels so distinctly different and disconnected (if I could overlay my Metro start screen tiles over my desktop, like Mac's gadgets, I would prefer that)

- The placement of the Charms bar bothers me since I have my taskbar docked to the right side for optimum space usage on my widescreen monitor. When I try to access the file explorer (first icon on my bar, top right because of placement), it may or may not activate the Charms bar when I hover my mouse. This could be resolved if Microsoft offered a way to center the icons in the taskbar.

- The RTM added a mini tutorial during the installation process, but I think it needs to be expanded upon for the average Joe


I will say though, that Windows 8 will definitely be more confusing to the folks in the older generation.. my parents got immediately confused after upgrading them from XP to Windows 7 with the combined label icon-stacks (as opposed to multiple expanded labels of windows occupying the taskbar). I tried teaching them, but it was still too confusing, so I had to disable the label combination just so they could figure out where all their open windows went. Although I don't miss the Start Menu one bit, it's still not intuitive for older folks, whose sons/daughters are going to have to teach them how to use their computer again. I'm skipping Windows 8 for my parents, but I'm definitely embracing it
Edited by mingqi53 - 10/20/12 at 7:27pm
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What?
It is by no means easier to use, as it is pretty much the same as Windows 7, but with the added annoyance in the fact that many applications only show up in the search screen as their metro form, which just is inconvenient.
It is also no more powerful; it loads faster, but it has effectively the same performance in programs as Windows 7.
You think so?
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It's actually pretty darn easy to use once you stop whining and start thinking, took me 15 minutes.
It's like Windows 7 with a couple of things that annoy me. Where is this user friendliness that you speak of?

The things I refer to annoying me are:
The search screen not differentiating between apps and normal programs or only showing the app versions of programs
There is no setting to boot to the desktop directly AFAIK
File explorer has those annoying ribbon toolbars
The start button is too small
that bar on the right side that pops up is completely useless

And I won't use metro at all, due to:
full screen windows only
annoying gestures to do with a mouse
really confusing to use sometimes
The windows store is a stupid concept
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