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That was a really good look at Linux.
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was there actully a lot of reports on this thread?

I reported a post.
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I reported a post.

The one I mocked for making a great contribution? : D
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The one I mocked for making a great contribution? : D
yup.
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was there actully a lot of reports on this thread?

I reported a post.

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I reported a post.

The one I mocked for making a great contribution? : D

lol maybe I don't report as much as I should. I havn't reported anything in weeks. most of the time I just ignore the person. or flame them devil.gif
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That was a really good look at Linux.

I think so to even if he doesn't have "answers" to the problems it does help by bringing awareness to them. Of course, they seem like some are really problems for those of us that aren't able/willing to learn the deep ins or outs or in short...the mainstream general user. That said...the 2 and 1/2 years I've been using it have shown some rather massive (at least to me) improvements on the "so easy a general user can use it" front.
     
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That was a really good look at Linux.

I think so to even if he doesn't have "answers" to the problems it does help by bringing awareness to them. Of course, they seem like some are really problems for those of us that aren't able/willing to learn the deep ins or outs or in short...the mainstream general user. That said...the 2 and 1/2 years I've been using it have shown some rather massive (at least to me) improvements on the "so easy a general user can use it" front.

He did present possible solutions for the majority of what he mentioned. Driver issues and such improve over time, and certainly have improved vastly over the past couple years, but packaging and standardization in general is still a pretty big issue. Obviously Linux is all about choice, but there really should be a level of common ground for developers to stand on as far as subsystems go.
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Being a linux noob myself a fair amount was over my head. But what I did understand I agree with completely. What got me the most is the expectation or belief that software should be free. That is one of the reason's i've been leaning towards linux but the way it's put in the video that simply isn't viable. People should be paid for their work. In another thread someone mentioned the idea that people think linux user's are freeloaders... in many ways that is an accurate statement.

Another thing that got me was the different methods of packaging. Yes use the package manager is what people are told but what if you want something that isn't in there? You are at the mercy of whatever method you find it in and there's no guarentee you can use it at all. Definitely needs to be standardized, philosophies be damned. Philosophy and or everyone having their own idea of what it should be is what is ultimately keeping linux in general down overall.

Sometimes to much choice is a bad thing.

*EDIT* Another thing about standardizing things. I just opened my ubuntu vm and looked in the package manager for text editor. Scrolling through the list I counted 26 basic text editing programs. I would imagine they all have some different feature. Wouldn't it be better if the best features from them all were combined into one instead of having 26 different programs to use? I know everyone wants to have "their own thing" but it certainly isn't in the best interests of the community as a whole. It also makes it more confusing. I believe 24 of these show up as "simple text editor" in the descriptions. How many do we really need? How much of this coding time could have been put into something else that doesn't exist yet?
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Obviously Linux is all about choice, but there really should be a level of common ground for developers to stand on as far as subsystems go.

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Philosophy be damned. All these different philosophies are what is keeping linux as little more than a tinkerer's os and little more imo.

It's called Ubuntu. At the end of the day when it comes to the single most used desktop distro, it would have to be Ubuntu. So let Ubuntu be the standard, leave the rest for people who want to tinker. Thus Steam, Valve is only making it for Ubuntu ( at least right now ) and for good reason. One as mentioned above about being one of the single most popular, as well as being "stable". If the other distro's want the software from Ubuntu, let their repository managers port it over to their own system.

It's not there isn't a standard, it's that it hasn't been created, thus Linux philosophy, if it isn't there, create it. You need one distro to stand up and say "I'll do it", and there's few distros in that position with the backing and money to do so aside from Ubuntu/Canonical as far as desktops go.
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