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Being a linux noob myself a fair amount was over my head. But what I did understand I agree with completely. What got me the most is the expectation or belief that software should be free. That is one of the reason's i've been leaning towards linux but the way it's put in the video that simply isn't viable. People should be paid for their work. In another thread someone mentioned the idea that people think linux user's are freeloaders... in many ways that is an accurate statement.
Another thing that got me was the different methods of packaging. Yes use the package manager is what people are told but what if you want something that isn't in there? You are at the mercy of whatever method you find it in and there's no guarentee you can use it at all. Definitely needs to be standardized, philosophies be damned. Philosophy and or everyone having their own idea of what it should be is what is ultimately keeping linux in general down overall.
Sometimes to much choice is a bad thing.
*EDIT* Another thing about standardizing things. I just opened my ubuntu vm and looked in the package manager for text editor. Scrolling through the list I counted 26 basic text editing programs. I would imagine they all have some different feature. Wouldn't it be better if the best features from them all were combined into one instead of having 26 different programs to use? I know everyone wants to have "their own thing" but it certainly isn't in the best interests of the community as a whole. It also makes it more confusing. I believe 24 of these show up as "simple text editor" in the descriptions. How many do we really need? How much of this coding time could have been put into something else that doesn't exist yet?

My friend the Slackware user always smirks on that one and goes why not just make it git or source (Gentoo style) or tarball based? I don't have an answer for him besides "I don't want to track down my own dependencies? I don't know how to setup Gentoo? I screw up things?"
My whole thing is that there needs to be something (especially for DEs as not all of us conform to the GTK world) that produces better compatibility across the board regardless; IE if I run GTK stuff in my KDE world with "dark themes" I shouldn't end up with blacked out apps because they can't render correctly. Or maybe that's just a sign of poor/lazy coding?

PS: If you want a trip down redundancy and unnecessary complexity lane...check out the sound server/sound system stack in Linux. LOL.
     
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Being a linux noob myself a fair amount was over my head. But what I did understand I agree with completely. What got me the most is the expectation or belief that software should be free. That is one of the reason's i've been leaning towards linux but the way it's put in the video that simply isn't viable. People should be paid for their work. In another thread someone mentioned the idea that people think linux user's are freeloaders... in many ways that is an accurate statement.
Another thing that got me was the different methods of packaging. Yes use the package manager is what people are told but what if you want something that isn't in there? You are at the mercy of whatever method you find it in and there's no guarentee you can use it at all. Definitely needs to be standardized, philosophies be damned. Philosophy and or everyone having their own idea of what it should be is what is ultimately keeping linux in general down overall.
Sometimes to much choice is a bad thing.
*EDIT* Another thing about standardizing things. I just opened my ubuntu vm and looked in the package manager for text editor. Scrolling through the list I counted 26 basic text editing programs. I would imagine they all have some different feature. Wouldn't it be better if the best features from them all were combined into one instead of having 26 different programs to use? I know everyone wants to have "their own thing" but it certainly isn't in the best interests of the community as a whole. It also makes it more confusing. I believe 24 of these show up as "simple text editor" in the descriptions. How many do we really need? How much of this coding time could have been put into something else that doesn't exist yet?

My friend the Slackware user always smirks on that one and goes why not just make it git or source (Gentoo style) or tarball based? I don't have an answer for him besides "I don't want to track down my own dependencies? I don't know how to setup Gentoo? I screw up things?"
My whole thing is that there needs to be something (especially for DEs as not all of us conform to the GTK world) that produces better compatibility across the board regardless; IE if I run GTK stuff in my KDE world with "dark themes" I shouldn't end up with blacked out apps because they can't render correctly. Or maybe that's just a sign of poor/lazy coding?

PS: If you want a trip down redundancy and unnecessary complexity lane...check out the sound server/sound system stack in Linux. LOL.
lazy coding? no. its splintering/ lack of standards. its a part of opensource. you have to take the good with the bad sometimes, so you can't say 'I want choice' and then 'why doesn't this work the same as it did here' becuase you picked that. also, (and correct me if i'm wrong pretty much a pure gtk guy here) it isn't that hard to set gtk and qt themes differently.
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But this isn't a news post, and it's much easier to have a title like this so we don't have 400+ reports in the queue for trolling.

I honestly did not expect that to happen especially when I clearly said in the thread why it was not a troll thread. Anyway thanks for changing the title thumb.gif
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here is part 2 of the video

Why Linux Does Not Suck | LFNW 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfLqLK7VdQY
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here is part 2 of the video
Why Linux Does Not Suck | LFNW 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfLqLK7VdQY

Bit too slow there bud;

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I like Linux purely for folding.

Why? Because 1: My processor folds like a complete pro on Linux and 2: It's free. Perfect for folding. Also 3: I like the way it works, and that it's different.
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I like Linux purely for folding.
Why? Because 1: My processor folds like a complete pro on Linux and 2: It's free. Perfect for folding. Also 3: I like the way it works, and that it's different.

I am a big fan of customizability that's why I really like Linux but my main problem is that I won't be able to make stuff happen in Linux. A lot of my tools will be missing and I don't want to run them through WINE and such. Linux needs a big support and have some serious software made for it as well as games.
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I am happy with Linux as my OS. I left Windows months ago. I have less driver issues under Linux than I had with Windows. There's always the other side of the argument, folks.

I also helped a friend build a new PC and he requested to use Linux... it's been a few months and he has no desire to ever return to Windows even though this is his first use of Linux ever. He didn't even know what it was until I explained it to him.

3 years ago Linux was great but had a lot of issues with drivers and the like, but today, that's just not the case. There have been vast improvements across the boards.

Software wise, there is nothing Linux can't do for me. I have never used or needed special, 'Windows only' software.

Anyone who claims Linux users are freeloaders or more likely to pirate are baseless idiots merely acting out on their jealousy and inability to command line anything. The opposite is the reality. Take a look at the donation page of your favorite Linux distro and you will see people donating more than they would spend for Windows Licenses.

**Edit** The only thing that needs improvement is more developer support. More companies need to remove their fingers from their butts and make official driver support better for some products. Game developers need to start opening their eyes and realize that porting to Linux is not that difficult and could prove very profitable.

Games I currently have working in Linux:

4 X 4 Evolution 2
Bad Company 2 (has shadow issues)
Dragon Age Origins
Fallout 3
Freelancer
Guild Wars
Lord of The Rings Online (configuration required)
Need For Speed Most Wanted (original)
Race Driver Grid (shadows turned off)
Elder Scrolls Oblivion
The Witcher 2
Toca Race Driver 3
Rage (in Steam)
Rogue Warrior (in Steam)
Metro 2033 (in Steam)
World of Warcraft
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