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Isn't it great when people bother to read through threads? Especially short ones!
As for vishera being faster, benches are showing that in overclocked performance vishera and sandy bridge are very close, yet vishera is cheaper.
No AMD does not compete with Intel's i7s. Yes they use more power for comparable products. However, they are significantly cheaper, than Intel's products, while still offering good, and in some cases excellent performance. To call them a waste of money is sensationalist and untrue.
We're talking about Ivy Bridge, not Sandy Bridge.

FX8350: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113284&Tpk=FX%208350 ($220)
i5-3570: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115233 ($215)
i5-3570K: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504

......... Newegg (and other places) always offer deals for i5-3570K (and non K) and 3770K (and non K) that brings it down to ~$200-$215. Live near a microcenter? Even better, you get a great deal for a i5-3570K with an amazing motherboard with it. Or just get a 3570K alone, http://www.microcenter.com/product/388577/Core_i5_3570K_34GHz_LGA_1155_Processor ($170 compared to Vishera's $220?)

Comparing those two to a purchase of a AMD Vishera? Waste.
Sorry but in today's era, AMD is pretty much irrelevant when it comes to the CPU world. On a really tight budget? Then there is a usage for AMD processors, but to most system builders Intel at ~$190-$230 is a good enough price for them to fit in a range under $1000.

In the long run, investing those couple dollars into the Intel processor rather than AMD gives you a long list of benefits.
1) Less Power Consumption (this will add up over time, saving you more money compared to AMD).
2) Your computer will last longer because Intel is massively ahead of AMD. Even i7-930 is a good processor in today's age.

Vishera is also still using AM3+ without any PCI-E 3.0 sockets. Not that this matters at this time as it doesnt make much of a difference, but eventually it will.... leading support to my 2nd point.

Haswell is around the corner as well. Good bye Vishera.

Edit: http://www.overclock.net/t/1320225/microcenter-3570k-169-99-50-off-any-z77-p8z77-v-lk-has-20-rebate
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Just picked up that deal today, comes to less than $250 AR. Add any Z77 to your cart and it will be $50 off. I did local pickup, don't know if that makes a diff.

$250 after rebate compared to AMD's Vishera $220?!?! ... as Hokies83 said, AMD is a bad investment.
If you had a AM3+ board, I would just scratch everything and replace motherboard and processor as you're going to pay $220 for a 8350 when u can get a pretty good Z77+i5/i7 around the same price if u live near a microcenter. Unless you're planning to use the lower tier of FX series which at that point, it's still not a good situation, its a lose-lose.
Edited by zephiK - 10/27/12 at 11:29am
post #22 of 45
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Isn't it great when people bother to read through threads? Especially short ones!
I'm not an AMD fanboy, in fact if I had the money I wouldn't consider buying from them, but it's disheartening and frustrating to casually dismiss products for reasons that they don't understand and making blanket statements that are clearly uninformed.
As for vishera being faster, benches are showing that in overclocked performance vishera and sandy bridge are very close, yet vishera is cheaper.
No AMD does not compete with Intel's i7s. Yes they use more power for comparable products. However, they are significantly cheaper, than Intel's products, while still offering good, and in some cases excellent performance. To call them a waste of money is sensationalist and untrue.

Clock for clock performance a 3570k Absolutely Annihilates a 8350. There the SAME price..
Now Clock for Clock a 2500k Beats a 8350 pretty hard to.. And that is even cheaper then the 8350.

Why are you comparing Overclocked chips to a stock one? this is a K series chip it overclocks to...

Anyways i could take a 3 Generation Old i5 750 and OC it vs a stock 3570k and get Close performance to.

A 8350 is only a good option if you already have a AM3+ board.. And that is only because it is a cheap upgrade

If your starting from Scratch AMD is a bad investment.
Edited by Hokies83 - 10/27/12 at 11:32am
    
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Thanks haha. yeah I love my 965. Its the first chip I have overclocked, and is the second "overclockable" one i have had (Athlon II x2 250 @3ghz). I remember I would think "YEAH an extra 200MHZ!!!" lol, now i want 4.2 and can't get it without frying the damned thing. But, 4ghz is plenty, and will hold me out until I can afford a 3570k. Unfortunately, the money I have is going towards a new case (Mine is VERY old, poor circulation...looks like ass) with the Zalman Plus HF1 in Red for like 60 bucks, and a new PSU because when I got my powercolor PSU, most of the connector's wires were ripped out of the connections, rendering the 8 sata connections I have useless (except 2), and making me store my HDD where my damned CD drives go. Its a mess.
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Thanks haha. yeah I love my 965. Its the first chip I have overclocked, and is the second "overclockable" one i have had (Athlon II x2 250 @3ghz). I remember I would think "YEAH an extra 200MHZ!!!" lol, now i want 4.2 and can't get it without frying the damned thing. But, 4ghz is plenty, and will hold me out until I can afford a 3570k. Unfortunately, the money I have is going towards a new case (Mine is VERY old, poor circulation...looks like ass) with the Zalman Plus HF1 in Red for like 60 bucks, and a new PSU because when I got my powercolor PSU, most of the connector's wires were ripped out of the connections, rendering the 8 sata connections I have useless (except 2), and making me store my HDD where my damned CD drives go. Its a mess.

Get the 3570k Now and mod the case for better Air flow. it has a front fan that is a start. Remove HDD bays if there in the way put a fan in the 5.25bay etc etc

You have 2 top fan holes.. i do not see it as a poor air flow case not the best but it is good enough to pull off a 4.8ghz 3570k with a decent cooler.
    
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i just bought the 2500k for 159.99 at microcenter but than the next day 3rd gen 3570k went on sale for 169.99, so i went back and returned the 2500k for 3570k.

what i found is the 3570 is about 5% faster clock per clock. the 2500k i got to 4.5 easy with heat in the mid 70's load
with the 3570k i hit 4.3ghz with stock voltage and max load temp of 67c

bottom line both gaming and benching marking has increase with the 3570k yes it is a hotter chip but that is not a flaw plain and simple it is just hotter, and at a 4.2ghz stock vcore clock compared to a overvolted 2500k at 4.5, for me its a no brainer go with the 3570k all the way not only that you can use pci express 3.0 and utilize higher ram clocks
post #27 of 45
I just picked up a 3570K and ASUS P8Z77 V LK for $258 total, and still have a $20 rebate.

If you can get to a Microcenter, 3570K is a no-brainer with the current deal, $169.99 CPU, $50 off any Z77.
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Sorry but in today's era, AMD is pretty much irrelevant when it comes to the CPU world. On a really tight budget? Then there is a usage for AMD processors, but to most system builders Intel at ~$190-$230 is a good enough price for them to fit in a range under $1000.

This is sad but true for gamers. I'll still look at FM2 for low-power applications but the 960T is the last CPU that interested me from AMD.
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post #29 of 45
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Get the 3570k Now and mod the case for better Air flow. it has a front fan that is a start. Remove HDD bays if there in the way put a fan in the 5.25bay etc etc
You have 2 top fan holes.. i do not see it as a poor air flow case not the best but it is good enough to pull off a 4.8ghz 3570k with a decent cooler.


No, lol Im sorry i wasn't clear, thats the case I am going to purchase. A friend bought a 500$ prebuilt iBuyPower system and he gave me the case a while back.
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I am going to be primarily gaming, rare if any video editing.
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