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I apologize if this is in the wrong section.
My buddy is building a PC with a $600 budget. I'll ask for your help because I don't know much about hardware.
Budget Range: $550 - $600 -> Including shipping but not rebates. He's willing to go a bit above that but not too much.
System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, , "Photoshoping" frequently, Programming
Are you buying a monitor: No
Do you need to buy OS: No
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg, Microcenter
Parts Preferences:
CPU: Intel (AMD is okay)
GPU: No preference
Case: Cooler Master, Antec, suggestions are welcome
Overclocking: CPU, No; GPU, Maybe
SLI or Crossfire: Maybe, in the future. PSU will be replaced of course.
Monitor Resolution: 1366 x 768
No parts have been picked out yet, he'd just like something that will suit his needs at this price. Also, if possible, he wants room for upgrades, but it's not necessary.
EDIT
(here is what he came up with, feel free to make suggestions)
CPU: Core i3 3220 3.30GHz LGA 1155 Boxed Processor - $109.99 (Microcenter)
Motherboard:
Memory:
GPU:
Sapphire Radeon HD 6850 1GB GDDR5 256-bit CrossfireX Ready Card - $149.99 (Newegg)
OR
Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 GHz OC Edition 1GB GDDR5 128-bit Card - $129.99 (Newegg)
PSU: CORSAIR Builder Series CX500 V2 500W Active PFC Power Supply - $59.99 (Newegg)
HDD:
Optical Drive:
Case:
(will continue to add as he fills me in)

Hey man, i work at Microcenter, if you are going to go I3 don't go 3220. Get the 3225 because right now we have a motherboard bundle deal for 50 bucks off your board with the 3225 specifically. Hope that helps. The 3225 is a fine processor for gaming purposes
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I'll comment on the suggestions made so far smile.gif

The HD6850 is effectively replaced by the HD7770 and GTX650Ti options. The only situations I would suggest a previous generation 40nm GPU at this point, would be for special budget constrained reasons that do not apply here, unusually high resolutions for such a budget build (need oversized ROP core configuration), linux users (who demand long-term stable driver releases, typically not available for a new GPU until several years after release), or folders (fermi). I doubt that any of these conditions are in play so you'll certainly get a an equal or better performance with lower power consumption and heat with a new 28nm GPU option.

An i3-3225 is only useful over the 3220 if you will be using the iGPU. The i3-3220 will perform exactly the same when paired with a discrete GPU for lower cost. In this case, the iGPU is not going to be used, so there is no reason to pay the extra for the "5."

The 78LMT-S2P + 1045T suggestion is pretty reasonable but likely hinges on local pickup, and absolutely hinges on ensuring that you get version 3.1 of the board. It is interesting to note, that the 1045T and the i3-3220 will actually perform about the same in photoshop, and the i3-3220 will beat the 1045T in any game I am aware of. The up front cost of the thuban is lower, but the long term operating cost of the i3 is lower. The 3220 will use about half the electricity. As it turns out, Phenom II has never done "phenomenal" in Photoshop benching. Adobe software was certainly favoring intel architecture through the later years of the K10 core architecture.

That Kingston HyperX XMP Blu Red RAM kit is a 1.65V kit, I'd pass. There are too many lower voltage kits available for great deals to mess with chips that will have so little overhead.

Putting a micro-ATX board in an ATX tower is a waste of desktop space.

The 1GB edition HD7850 doesn't make sense to me, it's "too close" price-wise to the 2GB versions not to make the the final leap there.

Consider skipping a mechanical drive all together, and lumping the storage related funds together to buy a single BIG SSD. Add a backup mechy drive later when he can afford it, or when a really good deal comes along.
     
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post #13 of 18
^ passing on a good deal on RAM on the basis that a kit is 1.65V over 1.5V (which really changes nothing... that's what, 0.5W more power and 0.2C more heat?) is a waste of good money, especially given that an OC will not be anticipated here.

I don't know how much you know about VRAM either but unless you've got monitor sizes passing 1920x1080 or multiple monitors at 1080p, there's really little use in more than 1GB of VRAM.

Also, there are aesthetics in an ATX tower not had in an mATX even if it is a bit of a waste of space: particularly, few affordable mATX cases feature a bottom-mounted PSU and behind-the-tray cable management. I consider those to be big pluses in budget case choice.
Edited by xd_1771 - 10/22/12 at 9:43pm
post #14 of 18
Hi XD,

The 1.65V memory can have more of an effect than just a fraction of a watt.... I'll let you "discover" the issue in my recommendation to someguy.

VRAM usage can vary widely depending on texture detail settings and AA settings. Resolution is only a significant player in VRAM consumption when it is amplified by high AA settings. The on-screen frame buffer and pre-buffer size of a massive multi-monitor rig is under 100MB. It is AA and texture data that fills up VRAM. The direction games are going is MORE different textures, and MORE detail in those textures. Filling 1GB worth of just texture data, before a resolution is even taken into consideration, will be a reality to contend with on 1GB cards in the coming years. For most of those cards, it's a non-issue because they don't have the compute grunt to run a scene with so much detail on-screen anyway. The HD7850, has the sort of gumption to run high settings at reasonable resolutions, and it would be a shame to bottleneck it on a VRAM limitation. Interestingly enough, it is actually the LOWER RESOLUTION that can create a scenario where the card is able to deliver a reasonable performance with a very high detail settings. In other words, using less VRAM for on-screen pixels and AA, can create a scenario where the use of more VRAM for higher texture detail is warranted.

A bottom mount PSU in a micro-ATX is counter-productive because it unnecessarily increases the size of the case. it is in fact, the positioning of the PSU behind the 5.25" bays that makes room in most good micro-ATX cases for both a couple hard drives AND a full length (12"+) GPU.

NCIX has a great microATX case on special (today and tomorrow only) for $30, free shipping: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=58341&vpn=FD-CA-CORE-1000-BL&manufacture=Fractal%20Design&promoid=1295
I understand the desire for behind tray cable management in more complex systems with many drives and GPUs. The case above lacks that. I could live with it very comfortably personally but understand the position on the issue.


Someguy,

Intel does not validate DDR3 over 1.5V and does not officially support over 1.575V. Obviously, once a chip is OCed or OVed in any way, they have grounds to deny warranty claims. Many people who seek build advice here wind up mixing and matching components from different suggestions. DO NOT use the 1.65V RAM deal that XD suggested if you decide on an Intel build.



Regards,
Eric
Edited by mdocod - 10/23/12 at 2:20am
     
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^ On the practical side of things, a bottom-mounted PSU is also very much an airflow optimization advantage. Really, the only difference I see in an ATX over mATX is height and perhaps weight. On anything larger than an SFF desktop, it's something that I assume can be easily dealt with. I don't see how a shorter case but with significant airflow and practicality sacrifice for the same price or no less is a practical decision.

 

Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge have absolutely no problems contending with 1.65V DDR3. There is currently no socket/platform that will reject 1.65V DDR3 or otherwise die with it. A chip OC/overvolt really only invalidates a warranty if said OC/overvolt is discovered (i.e. "visible burn mark", as they say). Given there is no intention for a large scale OC thus an overvolt to compensate for higher voltage RAM will not be large enough to visibly damage anything, there should be little issues with warranty IF the use of it is ever necessary.

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It would be reasonable for intel to ask for a hardware "profile" before fulfilling a warranty claim to ensure that it has been used in a manner intended. If that profile includes a model number of RAM that is specified for use at 1.65V, they can deny warranty claims. No evidence of physical damage is required if part of the hardware profile is an admission to the likelihood of an operating condition outside of spec. The issue is not whether the 1.65V actually CAUSES the damage (there is very little evidence to support this), it's that, if the chip were to malfunction in ANY WAY, the existence of that memory module in the system gives them the opportunity to deny a warranty claim.

", INTEL IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DIRECT, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, OR
CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES RESULTING FROM ANY BREACH OF WARRANTY"

"this Limited Warranty does NOT cover:

• damage to the Product due to external causes, including accident, problems with electrical power, abnormal electrical, mechanical or
environmental conditions, usage not in accordance with product instructions, misuse, neglect, alteration, repair, improper installation, or
improper testing; OR
• any Product which has been modified or operated outside of Intel’s publicly available specifications"

Best regards,
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Honestly you will get about 25-35% better preformance out of what I added here for only 244.99 + 69.99 + 40.99 = 355.99 I have given you ram + one of the best server/(hidden gaming god processor) + a motherboard that supports 2x vga's if he wants to expand later and its a micro atx so it will fit in almost any case the downside is there is no over clocking that xeon but it preforms at the same level as an i5 3570k overclocked to 4.2ghz and can handle about 4-5x what the i3 can it terms of demand. That processor was built to run 24/7 365 days a year non stop for 3 years minimum. If your friend ups his price to maybe lets say 650-750 he can build himself an elite gaming comp for short money


CPU: Xeon 3.3gh 3.7 turbo (this thing is equal to a 3770 or an i5 3570k overclocked to 4.2gh http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117286&name=Processors-Servers
244.99
Motherboard: asrock pro 4 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157302&name=Intel-Motherboards
69.99
Memory: Mushkin radioactive 2x 8gb sticks http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226219&name=Desktop-Memory
40.99
GPU:
Sapphire Radeon HD 6850 1GB GDDR5 256-bit CrossfireX Ready Card - $149.99 (Newegg)
OR
Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 GHz OC Edition 1GB GDDR5 128-bit Card - $129.99 (Newegg)

PSU: CORSAIR Builder Series CX500 V2 500W Active PFC Power Supply - $59.99 (Newegg)

HDD:

Optical Drive:

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Someguy,

I have a new build suggestion for you.

CPU/Optical: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1075025
i3-3220

MOBO/RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1083375
B85 chipset microboard with good feature set, including SATA III, CFX support, and 4xRAM slots.

GPU: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=68499&vpn=GV-R777OC-1GD&manufacture=Gigabyte
HD7770 for $120. This should be short enough to fit in the micro-ATX case without interfering with the additional drive mounts. This card supports crossfire, and so does the motherboard.
Oh... another thing. You want an AMD GPU in this build. Photoshop has gone the openCL route for a lot of its GPU acceleration. The AMD GPUs are better suited to this. [here's a comparison of the HD7770 to the more expensive GTX65Ti: http://www.clbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?config_0=11973318&config_1=13538582 ]

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HD: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=71145&vpn=SSDSC2CT180A3K5&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1295
Skip mechy drive for now, just get this, install a mechy drive later when he needs the space.

PSU: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-ssr360gp
Seasonic quality, 80+ gold efficiency.

$592 shipped.
Edited by mdocod - 10/23/12 at 5:47pm
     
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