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post #1411 of 1877
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Originally Posted by nismogt1 View Post

Hi guys,
You know, I had run ATI/AMD video cards for a long time.
I had driver issues in the past & just lived with it.
Just sold my 2 HD5970's on Ebay & had intended to give Nvidia a try this time around.
Then, I got wind of how inexpensive ATI/AMD cards had become. I went on NewEgg & sure enough saw I could get an HD7970 cheaper than a GTX 670.
That got me thinking.
After I had looked through my issue of Maximum PC & saw there was a link to an online revised article & new beta drivers that made the HD 7000 series really take off & run BF3,Crysis & the like much much better.I was sold......
I thought wow, I guess I will just have to go with an HD7970.
I'll give the boys in red another try.
Now that I see 139 pages dedicated to the continued ups & downs of ATI/AMD drivers.This really makes me think twice about going back to a Radeon.
Just wanted to say, that from a perspective buyers point of view. This gives me caution.
It seems drivers have been & continue to be the achilles heel of ATI/AMD.
Sad too, I've run many many ATI cards over the years.And, I've always rooted for them.
I'd love to buy a HD7970.I'm just afraid of what's going to happen after the drivers are installed.
DO NOT buy a 7970!!!!!
I just went through the same dilemma of upgrading my x-fired 6970's.
And ended up buying a pair of 7950's......BIG mistake!

But looking at the Nvidia choices at the time i had to buy 2gb gtx 670's and they cost more than the AMD cards.
And buying 4gb GTX 670's the price difference was even more.

Seeing so many rave reviews about AMD's new 12.11 drivers and how great the 7xxx series cards performed with the new drivers, really had me convinced AMD was on the right track, and had turn their driver issues around with the new 7xxx series cards.
Add to that AMD had a better price point and "never settle" promotion, i thought... "how can i go wrong".

Yeah, well, just read all the issues in this thread.
x-fire performance / support is crap, texture flickering in multiple titles, stuttering , and as usual poor driver support. Even the windows desktop gets errors!
Funny how not a single review mentions any of these issues!

I'm now 100% convinced that if AMD is working as hard at improving its drivers as it says, then the only conclusion one can reach is the driver team is just plain and clearly incompetent.
And they are getting paid to do a job that they simply do not have the talent or resources to do.

AMD needs to wise up and start firing the incompetent people and hire new talent that can show actual results.
Or the entire company is going to be unemployed in the near future.
And that isn't me just trying to be a jerk, it is just the plain and simple truth.

And i hope all of AMD's unemployment checks take as long to show up as their half/arsed driver fixes do.
So they can see what it is like to feel screwed over and over again, while getting nothing but excuses and promises in return.
(there, now that part is just me being a jerk... thumb.gif )
post #1412 of 1877
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Originally Posted by MTDEW View Post

DO NOT buy a 7970!!!!!
I just went through the same dilemma of upgrading my x-fired 6970's.
And ended up buying a pair of 7950's......BIG mistake!
But looking at the Nvidia choices at the time i had to buy 2gb gtx 670's and they cost more than the AMD cards.
And buying 4gb GTX 670's the price difference was even more.
Seeing so many rave reviews about AMD's new 12.11 drivers and how great the 7xxx series cards performed with the new drivers, really had me convinced AMD was on the right track, and had turn their driver issues around with the new 7xxx series cards.
Add to that AMD had a better price point and "never settle" promotion, i thought... "how can i go wrong".
Yeah, well, just read all the issues in this thread.
x-fire performance / support is crap, texture flickering in multiple titles, stuttering , and as usual poor driver support. Even the windows desktop gets errors!
Funny how not a single review mentions any of these issues!
I'm now 100% convinced that if AMD is working as hard at improving its drivers as it says, then the only conclusion one can reach is the driver team is just plain and clearly incompetent.
And they are getting paid to do a job that they simply do not have the talent or resources to do.
AMD needs to wise up and start firing the incompetent people and hire new talent that can show actual results.
Or the entire company is going to be unemployed in the near future.
And that isn't me just trying to be a jerk, it is just the plain and simple truth.
And i hope all of AMD's unemployment checks take as long to show up as their half/arsed driver fixes do.
So they can see what it is like to feel screwed over and over again, while getting nothing but excuses and promises in return.
(there, now that part is just me being a jerk... thumb.gif )

Was that really necessary? I mean, it's ok that you're frustrated, but wishing for anyone to get fired over a piece of software that is as complex as a video driver is pretty juvenile. rolleyes.gif
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DO NOT buy a 7970!!!!!
I just went through the same dilemma of upgrading my x-fired 6970's.
And ended up buying a pair of 7950's......BIG mistake!
But looking at the Nvidia choices at the time i had to buy 2gb gtx 670's and they cost more than the AMD cards.
And buying 4gb GTX 670's the price difference was even more.
Seeing so many rave reviews about AMD's new 12.11 drivers and how great the 7xxx series cards performed with the new drivers, really had me convinced AMD was on the right track, and had turn their driver issues around with the new 7xxx series cards.
Add to that AMD had a better price point and "never settle" promotion, i thought... "how can i go wrong".
Yeah, well, just read all the issues in this thread.
x-fire performance / support is crap, texture flickering in multiple titles, stuttering , and as usual poor driver support. Even the windows desktop gets errors!
Funny how not a single review mentions any of these issues!
I'm now 100% convinced that if AMD is working as hard at improving its drivers as it says, then the only conclusion one can reach is the driver team is just plain and clearly incompetent.
And they are getting paid to do a job that they simply do not have the talent or resources to do.
AMD needs to wise up and start firing the incompetent people and hire new talent that can show actual results.
Or the entire company is going to be unemployed in the near future.
And that isn't me just trying to be a jerk, it is just the plain and simple truth.
And i hope all of AMD's unemployment checks take as long to show up as their half/arsed driver fixes do.
So they can see what it is like to feel screwed over and over again, while getting nothing but excuses and promises in return.

(there, now that part is just me being a jerk... thumb.gif )


stop posting. in my experience the current nvidia drivers are worse.... i think the way you word your self you are just a nvidia fanboy. which isnt a bad thing but the 7970's are out performing nvidia. i have had 0 issues with my 7970 and have another coming tomorrow. my buddy who has 2 670's seems to have a lot of really weird issues that i have not had. half his games just seem to stutter or not even run.... what you are spreading is complete misinformation
    
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post #1414 of 1877
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So if I use Windows 8 and use Internet Explorer I have to use Direct3D 9 without D2D. I'm trying to understand is this something easy to do.

Sorry for being unclear... On IE10/Windows 8, your only option so far is to disable Hardware Acceleration -in order to get rid of the artifacts and possibly better performance. We've to wait until AMD decide to fix the related issues.

As I said, these artifacts are unrelated to those on DX9 games.
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Sorry for being unclear... On IE10/Windows 8, your only option so far is to disable Hardware Acceleration -in order to get rid of the artifacts and possibly better performance. We've to wait until AMD decide to fix the related issues.
As I said, these artifacts are unrelated to those on DX9 games.
Well I'll be patient its a new OS, its expected.
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stop posting. in my experience the current nvidia drivers are worse.... i think the way you word your self you are just a nvidia fanboy. which isnt a bad thing but the 7970's are out performing nvidia. i have had 0 issues with my 7970 and have another coming tomorrow. my buddy who has 2 670's seems to have a lot of really weird issues that i have not had. half his games just seem to stutter or not even run.... what you are spreading is complete misinformation
I personally would trade 10% performance for stable game play. But the other points you are making is that games aren't opening with nvidia, well that's a real problem too. But I really don't think its worth bragging about performance when things aren't working right. That's why its so weird these review sites are praising the performance of these new beta's but don't comment on the other issues. Personally for me if the beta driver gave no increase in performance but fix all the other issues I'm having I would be much happier. I'm sure everyone has the same opinion about this, if they are having problems. I'm not trying to say the grass is all greener on the green side. I do have some hope though to see the company pull so much performance out of a update. This should actually give us some hope they do have some talent behind these new updates. I personally just hope the focus will be directed towards bug fixing and new game support. Then as a afterthought the performance. But It seems to be the main focus is on performance and the bug fixes and new game support seems to be the afterthought at this point.
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I have artifacts on internet explorer.

that's pretty much what i get in desktop accelerated apps,

Star Trek online is similar, but the black squares are usually the color of the texture they are over, it's prolly a DX9x shader for blur, as it only occurs when i look down certain hallways on certain maps.
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Isn't this kind of the point of "beta" drivers? They are not polished and to b tested for flaws?
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Isn't this kind of the point of "beta" drivers? They are not polished and to b tested for flaws?
you know, staying monthes sleeping (sorry i meant developping) drivers. and still nothing even if performance is ridicoulous with hitman and far cry 3, while Nvidia already reacted just a week after the release.
non comment


12.11 beta x => HD5650M BSOD
x€{8,11};

this is frustrating, far cry 3 is working at 25fps on medium (POST FX : LOW) with the 12.10, it should work @ 40 fps avg like with an GT630M (nvidia equivalent) !
Edited by sasuke256 - 12/28/12 at 8:46am
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A 5650M is NOT equivelent to a GT630M
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Isn't this kind of the point of "beta" drivers? They are not polished and to b tested for flaws?

People have lost all common sense and as such I now call it now uncommon sense which has become the nearly extinct in the common folk .

"RAWR I HAD ISSUE WITH THIS CARD IN MY SETUP SO ALL SETUPS WITH THIS THING ARE BAD RAWR" I guess AMD has make sure they install every program anyone with a PC might ever use, and every single hardware configuration possible so they can test every scenario known to man. tongue.gif

I've had issues with both and from my own experience AMD > NV single gpu and SLI >>>>>>>>>>> CF but because of my own terrible experience with CF you don't hear me bashing AMD every chance I get. Though I still recommend SLI over CF for the faster game profiles and updates.


Everyone has their own PC's and everyone can have different problems that others might not be able to reproduce. Look at the new NV driver where a couple of people had their rigs destroyed and had to reformat and do a clean installation of windows, stuff happens, stuff is incompatible, stuff breaks other stuff.

There are many CF ad SLI user who've never had any issues and there are many who had nothing but.


The point of communities like these is to help people out and troubleshoot things (OCing above all else), look a the micro stutter thread where people helped Grunion (sp?) get his Skyrim fixed, with no help from AMD drivers but help from Radeon Pro and the community with settings and ini tweaks.

At the same time it's good to gear horror stories because it helps people know that risk are always there and stuff can break at any time. We just have to make sure to view things from the proper perspective and look at the objectively with our many different types of glasses OFF. We're all biased in one way or another, this is a fact, some..... just a bit more than the rest of us tongue.gif. Shout out to Raghu for his consistency......... lachen.gif


I will say though, in the last few years the term "beta" has really meant "We're not doing a damn thing or changing anything in it so if it breaks something wait for the next update, but this is unofficially our official release that hasn't been approved so deal with it"
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