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I sense in the future they will put weather anchormen into jail.
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Sounds like their managers and higher-ups told them to change data to reduce the appearance of risk.

If that is the case. They should be losing their licenses (assuming they hold one) and jobs for lack of judgement and professionalism.

Their bosses should be fired and taken to jail.
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Sounds like their managers and higher-ups told them to change data to reduce the appearance of risk.

If that is the case. They should be losing their licenses (assuming they hold one) and jobs for lack of judgement and professionalism.

Their bosses should be fired and taken to jail.
Wait... what?
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Wait... what?

It's late and I might not be making sense, but I believe that was clear.
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Wait... what?

It's late and I might not be making sense, but I believe that was clear.
No, I'm just a bit shocked that if they did it, why are 5K scientists supporting them?
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The conviction rate in China is extremely high (U.S. data on the subject puts it at 99.88 percent!), if you're even going to be in court there, you're pretty much already guilty.

I stand corrected, bring it on Italy thumb.gif

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I wish the American courts were this strict with organizations that pay for 'scientific' results that are profitable or politically expedient.

Oh yeah, great idea. Our jails would be filled with people who failed to predict Katrina and the tornadoes in Tornado-alley. Yeah, definitely our courts would be better off mimicking this example #shutupandgobacktoyourhippiecommune
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That's a pretty bold claim. I'd rather go to court in Italy than China, for example, even after this debacle.

I don't know much about the Chinese legal system, but if I can go to prison for 6 years for failing to predict the unpredictable, I'd almost rather take my chances (albeit blindly) in the Chinese courts...

The conviction rate in China is extremely high (U.S. data on the subject puts it at 99.88 percent!), if you're even going to be in court there, you're pretty much already guilty.

Yep:thumb: In Soviet China, the law is a joke to the party.
1) High ranked officials can overturn verdicts as long as the general public do not know about it.
2) Officials who embezzle large amounts of funds are usually sentenced to "death sentence with two-year reprieve". Don't get excited though, as this means it'll be turned into a life-imprisonment sentence and possibly "release for medical treatment".
3) People who have connections get "release for medical treatment" during their sentences where they live in contact with the outside world, including internet.
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Sounds like their managers and higher-ups told them to change data to reduce the appearance of risk.

If that is the case. They should be losing their licenses (assuming they hold one) and jobs for lack of judgement and professionalism.

Their bosses should be fired and taken to jail.

My thoughts exactly.

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No, I'm just a bit shocked that if they did it, why are 5K scientists supporting them?

Perhaps 5k bosses told them to.

If we accept the premise that scientists are sometimes told to "change data to reduce the appearance of risk", then it follows that the "managers and higer-ups" giving those orders would want to shield themselves from liability.
This case sets a scary precedent for those people, and fear would be the motive for trying to get the ruling reversed by any means possible.
We've already accepted that the managers and higher ups are willing to lean on scientists to engage in immoral and deceptive behavior, so it's no stretch to imagine them saying "sign the petition or you're fired."
Edited by willis888 - 10/23/12 at 3:24am
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witchcraft! burn them at the stake!

but seriously, 6 years?! I'd hate to be their weatherman...
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Slippery slope here. Italy is basically encouraging their scientists to no longer give their professional opinion.

Slippery indeed. This could be the start of another scientific "dark age"...
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That'll teached them scientists to be edumacated... they should just be ignorant like everyone else and buy apple products to seem smart. I'm sure there is an app for predicting fault lines and their behaviors.
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