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It's supposed to be real world testing, the idea isn't to get each CPU running at 100%, the idea is to run certain software and see how well each CPU does in that software, regardless of utilization. That's pretty much the definition of real world testing.
synthetic stuff that always takes 100% advantage of all CPUs is pretty meaningless unless you really like benching.
It's better to pick a game that actually shows differences instead of just taking a game that's completely and utterly GPU bound because we already completely know what the differences will be in those (meaning that they will be the same or within the margin of error).
Just because they were using games that run better on intel doesn't show a bias. The problem is that since there really aren't any games that AMD CPUs beat intel ones, the tests will be in intels favor.

Point 1

Okay so 100% CPU isn't necessary however you ignored the rest of my post so I assume you agree. A real world test would encode a movie, not run a 60 second encode. For all the reasons I stated in my previous wall of text post.

Point 2

So we should automatically pick the game that Intel is heavily favored in and not consider that bias? What planet are you from? Benckmarks are supposed to be all things being equal, let's see which CPU does it better. We really like seeing the charts sway to Intel's side, don't we? They did not compare the encode/game charts to the game charts for reference they merely say AMD falls short yet again. Of course they did, the odds were stacked to begin with, lol. Some people lack logic. Run that same test with BF3 and a much longer encode and I bet AMD is only second to the 3960x in the list.
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Point 1
Okay so 100% CPU isn't necessary however you ignored the rest of my post so I assume you agree. A real world test would encode a movie, not run a 60 second encode. For all the reasons I stated in my previous wall of text post.

When I hit the quote button the only other stuff in your post was related to the "ashamed of owning AMD" thing. Obviously I didn't reply to that since discussing that is pretty pointless.
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So we should automatically pick the game that Intel is heavily favored in and not consider that bias? What planet are you from?

No I'm saying that testing programs that are obviously bottlenecked by other parts of the computer that you're testing is pointless. Why are people asking for GPU bound game tests when they already know what's going to happen. We don't run around asking for HDD bound fraps tests or connection speed bound browser tests do we? AMD would be on par with intel in those but what would be the point of actually benching that.


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Benckmarks are supposed to be all things being equal, let's see which CPU does it better. We really like seeing the charts sway to Intel's side, don't we? They did not compare the encode/game charts to the game charts for reference they merely say AMD falls short yet again. Of course they did, the odds were stacked to begin with, lol. Some people lack logic. Run that same test with BF3 and a much longer encode and I bet AMD is only second to the 3960x in the list.

Benchmarks are supposed to represent the real world performance, not create a level playing field.

How does the length of the encoding/gaming session actually affect the results? The results would be the same if they did 2 minutes, 10 minutes or 1 hour. Doing reviews actually takes a lot of time, with the strict deadlines and the pressure to get the review out for ad revenue, sites don't have the time for tests that take hours.

As for BF3, I'm guessing they just didn't have the time to do the tests with every single game. They played it safe and took games that they knew were CPU intensive instead of GPU bottlenecked. You're much more likely to have a useful result instead of just having a bench where both are equal again. And why would BF3 even be a better choice? Skyrim is really popular too? should they have used LoL, WoW or SC2 because those are one of the most popular titles around and people also play them in huge amounts. I'd say it's much more likely that a person will be encoding a video and playing a little bit of WoW or SC2 than encoding and playing BF3.

I just don't get why people are so obsessed with always having BF3 as the defacto benchmark for CPUs of all things. If you want a better BF3 experience throw some more GPU at it.
 
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Nice of them to choose the worst games that AMD does in and no mention of CPU usage while running this 'bench.' If it is not at 100% across the boards then it's a useless benchmark for multitasking. They should have used less single threaded biased games and perhaps added another task or two, like playing a movie in the background and having a browser open with a dozen tabs. This would actually represent the type of workload that a multitasker does.

Wait, how do you play a game, watch a movie and browse 12 tabs at the same time? o.O
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That's the argument from the AMD die hards these days. How many chrome tabs they are able to have open (15) while simultaneously playing BF3, encoding a movie, watching a movie, writing an email, going to the bathroom, cooking dinner and browsing OCN on their sixth moniter.

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Can someone explain me what is about this benchmark, its only see a map, can only zoom in and out, anything else? wackosmiley.gif

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Why was bf3 brought up again, we were talking about multitasking (you know running more than 2 things at a time and not wanting to open and close everything you use while working just to play a game), not having awesome bf3 benches because it can use more than 2 cores...
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That's the argument from the AMD die hards these days. How many chrome tabs they are able to have open (15) while simultaneously playing BF3, encoding a movie, watching a movie, writing an email, going to the bathroom, cooking dinner and browsing OCN on their sixth moniter.
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Wait, how do you play a game, watch a movie and browse 12 tabs at the same time? o.O

That's how I feel every time someone says something stupid like that. Who watches a movie while playing a game?
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Wait, how do you play a game, watch a movie and browse 12 tabs at the same time? o.O

Indeed, I don't think I've ever done any true multi-tasking while gaming, because when I'm gaming I want as much CPU power I can get to chuck at the game to get as good as an experience as I can get.

Encoding a video using multithreaded software while playing a heavily threaded game won't do much to the games playability, encoding a video on a multithreaded piece of software while playing a poorly threaded game will cripple performance.
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That's how I feel every time someone says something stupid like that. Who watches a movie while playing a game?

Most of the arguments are: play a game while encoding a movie while leaving browsers, editors, email clients and such open (all of which cause load). Not watching a movie while playing a game (unless it was a turn based game, then I could see it, especially since I've done that in the past.) But nice twist on what people say anyway.
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