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I agree that a dead socket is not a concern, and better value if its cheaper in a situation like this. If the guy isn't a computer enthusiast himself, odds are he is not going to upgrade later anyway, so the option is irrelevant. If he is, or does later become interested in computers, at that point a completely new build would be in order rather than upgrading an APU budget rig if he wants something stronger. For general use, this computer will last long enough to where when the time comes to replace it, an upgrade within socket won't be what you need, and at ~$300 it would have served its purpose wonderfully. And at that point you can either do another budget build with newer tech or spend more, also on newer tech.

TL;DR - "Future proofing" has no place in a low budger APU build for a non-computer enthusiast.
    
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Using thepoopscooper's build plus xd_1771 recommendations on the first page as a base, here's my crazy idea for a budget build (read: 256GB SSD).
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
SSD $170
Samsung 830 256GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147164

CPU $45
Intel Celeron G540
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005LTU6VI

Motherboard $55
GIGABYTE GA-H61M-DS2
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005PX3UYA/

Ram $23
Team Xtreem Dark Series 2x2GB 1600MHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313081

Case $37
NZXT Gamma
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002UDK9U6/

Power Supply $37
Antec Neo Eco 450W
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60491

Total = $367

This build is essentially buying an SSD with a PC added on. tongue.gif
     
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Using thepoopscooper's build plus xd_1771 recommendations on the first page as a base, here's my crazy idea for a budget build (read: 256GB SSD). Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
SSD $170
Samsung 830 256GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147164
CPU $45
Intel Celeron G540
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005LTU6VI
Motherboard $55
GIGABYTE GA-H61M-DS2
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005PX3UYA/
Ram $23
Team Xtreem Dark Series 2x2GB 1600MHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313081
Case $37
NZXT Gamma
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002UDK9U6/
Power Supply $37
Antec Neo Eco 450W
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60491
Total = $367
This build is essentially buying an SSD with a PC added on. tongue.gif

celeron G540.


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You do realize a Sandy Celeron has higher IPC than anything AMD offers, right?
     
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Hi OlskoolOCer,

Welcome to OCN!

I see you are trying your hand at build suggestions! The more the merrier. I'll give you a build critique for fun eh smile.gif

  • Modern Intel consumer chips, and AMD APU chips, come with on-chip GPUs that are MORE powerful than an HD5450. There are many $50-130 CPUs with integrated GPU solutions that would provide a better value for this build than the $165 discrete CPU+GPU solution.
  • 60-64GB SSDs have fallen out of the value segment at nearly $1/GB typically. $85 will buy a great quality 120GB SSD drive, which for a build like this one, may be large enough to forgo a mechanical drive entirely.
  • Fancy memory has little to no impact on performance these days. Granted, you can "tweak out" a few percent performance in limited situations with fancy RAM. For budget builds there isn't enough benefit to justify the price premium. $30-40 8GB kits are the way to go here.
  • For mid and full ATX cases, the modern trending is towards bottom mount PSUs, behind-tray cable management, side-ways 3.5" drive mounting, tool-less drive mounting, blacked out interiors/backs, rolled internal edges (no sharp edges) and side and/or top mount fan positions, etc. There are many cases in the $35-50 (without PSU) that offer many of these modern benefits (of which, the Antec you've selected has none). The PSU in the case you have selected is actually very appropriate for this build, it just comes in a relatively antiquated case.




A picture is worth a lot of words here... Assuming this office machine were placed on a desk in such a way that the rear of the machine were visible, which would you prefer to be staring at the back side of?

The Antec is the ugly traditional steel look. The blacked out case is a Source 210, commonly available for around $40. It has all of the features I mentioned above less the fancy drive mounting.


Best Regards,
Eric
Edited by mdocod - 10/23/12 at 11:53pm
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celeron G540.
wat

You can see in this review that a Celeron G540 is only just a teeny bit slower than a Pentium G620:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/celeron-g540-g440_5.html

A modern Celeron is nothing like they used to be 10 years ago. Heck even a Core2-based Celeron could match an Athlon 64 in IPC performance (I should know, I use both in my sig rigs).
Edited by Nintendo Maniac 64 - 10/24/12 at 12:04am
     
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You can see in this review that a Celeron G540 is only just a teeny bit slower than a Pentium G620:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/celeron-g540-g440_5.html
A modern Celeron is nothing like they used to be 10 years ago. Heck even a Core2-based Celeron could match an Athlon 64 in IPC performance (I should know, I use both in my sig rigs).

Yes, but it's still much much slower than the A10-5600K:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/675?vs=406


What's the point so settling for such a slow system just to have an SSD?
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You do realize a Sandy Celeron has higher IPC than anything AMD offers, right?

That processor is in no way comparable to an A10 5600K APU:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/675?vs=406
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It all depends on whether this PC is used for productivity or just basic office tasks. If the former then yes "MOAR CORES!" is better. If the latter than an SSD would be better.
     
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Corsair XMS2 2x1GB DDR2 667MHz Kingston 2x1GB DDR2 800MHz Crucial M4 128GB SSD - CT128M4SSD2 RamDisk - adaptive 2GB viotle scratch 
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LG 16x DVD-RW DL Athlon 64 125w stock heatpipe heatsink 140mm case fan used as CPU fan @ ~600rpm 120mm Kingwin case fan used as PSU fan @ ~600rpm 
OSOSMonitorKeyboard
Windows XP Performance Edition - 32bit SP3 Windows 7 Ultimate - 64bit SP1 E772p CRT (Trinitron) @ 79-94hz 1152x864/1280x720 Logitech Cordless Desktop EX 100 
PowerMouseMouse PadAudio
Antec EA-380D (380w) with stock fan removed Logitech Cordless Optical Mouse My bed Turtle Beach Riviera 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Atom D270 @ 990MHz-1.6GHz (1C/2T) Intel 945 GMA 2GB Corsair DDR2 32GB OCZ Onyx SSD 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
RamDisk - adaptive 768MB viotle scratch  Tiny integrated fan Windows XP SP3 "Performance Edition" Integrated 1024x600 LED-backlit LCD display 
KeyboardPowerMouseAudio
Integrated keyboard Smallest in-line power brick I've ever seen Integrated multi-touch touchpad Integrated Realtek HD Audio 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Celeron E1400 1.2-2.0GHz @ 1.188v ECS 945g-M3 integrated Intel 945G Corsair ValueSelect 1GB DDR2 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
OCZ Onyx 32GB SSD - boot drive Western Digital Caviar SE - 320GB IDE Maxtor - 200GB IDE RamDisk - adaptive 256MB viotle scratch 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Cooler Master RR-LEE-L911-GP CPU heatsink Athlon 64 x2 4800+ (65nm, G2) stock CPU fan Windows 7 Ultimate lite - SP1 32bit None - VNC is used instead 
PowerCaseOtherOther
Bestec ATX-250-12Z HP Pavilion 8650C Zonet ZEW2500P USB wifi (b/g) adapter integrated Realtek ethernet controller 
OtherOther
Intel PCI ethernet card Linksys PCI ethernet card 
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