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I agree that a dead socket is not a concern, and better value if its cheaper in a situation like this. If the guy isn't a computer enthusiast himself, odds are he is not going to upgrade later anyway, so the option is irrelevant. If he is, or does later become interested in computers, at that point a completely new build would be in order rather than upgrading an APU budget rig if he wants something stronger. For general use, this computer will last long enough to where when the time comes to replace it, an upgrade within socket won't be what you need, and at ~$300 it would have served its purpose wonderfully. And at that point you can either do another budget build with newer tech or spend more, also on newer tech.

TL;DR - "Future proofing" has no place in a low budger APU build for a non-computer enthusiast.
    
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Using thepoopscooper's build plus xd_1771 recommendations on the first page as a base, here's my crazy idea for a budget build (read: 256GB SSD).
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
SSD $170
Samsung 830 256GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147164

CPU $45
Intel Celeron G540
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005LTU6VI

Motherboard $55
GIGABYTE GA-H61M-DS2
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005PX3UYA/

Ram $23
Team Xtreem Dark Series 2x2GB 1600MHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313081

Case $37
NZXT Gamma
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002UDK9U6/

Power Supply $37
Antec Neo Eco 450W
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60491

Total = $367

This build is essentially buying an SSD with a PC added on. tongue.gif
 
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Originally Posted by Nintendo Maniac 64 View Post

Using thepoopscooper's build plus xd_1771 recommendations on the first page as a base, here's my crazy idea for a budget build (read: 256GB SSD). Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
SSD $170
Samsung 830 256GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147164
CPU $45
Intel Celeron G540
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005LTU6VI
Motherboard $55
GIGABYTE GA-H61M-DS2
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005PX3UYA/
Ram $23
Team Xtreem Dark Series 2x2GB 1600MHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313081
Case $37
NZXT Gamma
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002UDK9U6/
Power Supply $37
Antec Neo Eco 450W
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60491
Total = $367
This build is essentially buying an SSD with a PC added on. tongue.gif

celeron G540.


wat
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You do realize a Sandy Celeron has higher IPC than anything AMD offers, right?
 
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Hi OlskoolOCer,

Welcome to OCN!

I see you are trying your hand at build suggestions! The more the merrier. I'll give you a build critique for fun eh smile.gif

  • Modern Intel consumer chips, and AMD APU chips, come with on-chip GPUs that are MORE powerful than an HD5450. There are many $50-130 CPUs with integrated GPU solutions that would provide a better value for this build than the $165 discrete CPU+GPU solution.
  • 60-64GB SSDs have fallen out of the value segment at nearly $1/GB typically. $85 will buy a great quality 120GB SSD drive, which for a build like this one, may be large enough to forgo a mechanical drive entirely.
  • Fancy memory has little to no impact on performance these days. Granted, you can "tweak out" a few percent performance in limited situations with fancy RAM. For budget builds there isn't enough benefit to justify the price premium. $30-40 8GB kits are the way to go here.
  • For mid and full ATX cases, the modern trending is towards bottom mount PSUs, behind-tray cable management, side-ways 3.5" drive mounting, tool-less drive mounting, blacked out interiors/backs, rolled internal edges (no sharp edges) and side and/or top mount fan positions, etc. There are many cases in the $35-50 (without PSU) that offer many of these modern benefits (of which, the Antec you've selected has none). The PSU in the case you have selected is actually very appropriate for this build, it just comes in a relatively antiquated case.




A picture is worth a lot of words here... Assuming this office machine were placed on a desk in such a way that the rear of the machine were visible, which would you prefer to be staring at the back side of?

The Antec is the ugly traditional steel look. The blacked out case is a Source 210, commonly available for around $40. It has all of the features I mentioned above less the fancy drive mounting.


Best Regards,
Eric
Edited by mdocod - 10/23/12 at 11:53pm
     
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celeron G540.
wat

You can see in this review that a Celeron G540 is only just a teeny bit slower than a Pentium G620:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/celeron-g540-g440_5.html

A modern Celeron is nothing like they used to be 10 years ago. Heck even a Core2-based Celeron could match an Athlon 64 in IPC performance (I should know, I use both in my sig rigs).
Edited by Nintendo Maniac 64 - 10/24/12 at 12:04am
 
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Originally Posted by Nintendo Maniac 64 View Post

You can see in this review that a Celeron G540 is only just a teeny bit slower than a Pentium G620:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/celeron-g540-g440_5.html
A modern Celeron is nothing like they used to be 10 years ago. Heck even a Core2-based Celeron could match an Athlon 64 in IPC performance (I should know, I use both in my sig rigs).

Yes, but it's still much much slower than the A10-5600K:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/675?vs=406


What's the point so settling for such a slow system just to have an SSD?
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You do realize a Sandy Celeron has higher IPC than anything AMD offers, right?

That processor is in no way comparable to an A10 5600K APU:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/675?vs=406
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It all depends on whether this PC is used for productivity or just basic office tasks. If the former then yes "MOAR CORES!" is better. If the latter than an SSD would be better.
 
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Pentium G3258 @ 4.6GHz/1.281v (rock-solid stable) MSI Z97 PC Mate [media & productivity] Intel HD graphics [games] Diamond Radeon HD5870 1GB 
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4x4GB Corsair Vengance DDR3 @ 1800MHz 1.504v Crucial M500 480GB SSD RamDisk - adaptive 10GB volatile scratch LG Blu-ray drive 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Cooler Master X6 Elite with stock fan removed CPU fan: 120mm Arctic F12 PWM @ ~300rpm PSU fan: 120mm Kingwin case fan via PSU fan plug Windows 7 Ultimate - 64bit SP1 
MonitorKeyboardPowerMouse
E772p CRT (Trinitron) @ 79-94hz 1152x864/1280x720 PS/2 Microsoft Internet Keyboard (replaced cord) Antec EA-380D (380w) with stock fan removed Logitech MX510 (blue) with replaced USB cord 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
White Monoprice 9963 IEM headphones [Left ear] LostEarBuds medium single-flange tip [Right ear] Unknown medium single-flange tip Asus Xonar DS 
AudioAudioAudio
Dual SOIC LME49990 DIP8 op amp [music] Foobar2000 + Xonar ASIO driver [games & movies] Razer Synapse 7.1ch to binaural 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core 2 Duo (Penryn) T8300 @ 2.4GHz Dell Studio 1535 Intel 965GMA 2GB 667MHz Samsung DDR2 
RAMHard DriveOSMonitor
1GB 667MHz Samsung DDR2 60GB Corsair Force 3 SSD Windows 7 64bit SP1 Toshiba 39L1350U HDTV 
KeyboardPowerMouseMouse Pad
Some USB wireless Logitech keyboard Rocketfish universial power adapter (my cousin's) Some USB wireless Logitech mouse couch 
AudioAudio
HDMI audio-out to HDTV HDTV optical-out to Denon AVR-200 reciever 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Pentium 3 @ 667MHz Some Intel mobo ATI Rage 128 AGP 32MB 2x256MB DDR1 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
1GB Sandisk CF card - boot drive Western Digital Caviar SE - 320GB IDE Maxtor - 200GB IDE RamDisk - adaptive 64MB viotle scratch 
CoolingOSMonitorPower
Athlon XP 2000+ Palomino stock heatsink w/ copp... Windows 2000 Pro SP4 None - VNC is used instead Bestec ATX-250-12Z 
CaseOtherOther
Some super-basic beige case Intel PCI ethernet card Linksys PCI ethernet card 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Pentium G3258 @ 4.6GHz/1.281v (rock-solid stable) MSI Z97 PC Mate [media & productivity] Intel HD graphics [games] Diamond Radeon HD5870 1GB 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
4x4GB Corsair Vengance DDR3 @ 1800MHz 1.504v Crucial M500 480GB SSD RamDisk - adaptive 10GB volatile scratch LG Blu-ray drive 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Cooler Master X6 Elite with stock fan removed CPU fan: 120mm Arctic F12 PWM @ ~300rpm PSU fan: 120mm Kingwin case fan via PSU fan plug Windows 7 Ultimate - 64bit SP1 
MonitorKeyboardPowerMouse
E772p CRT (Trinitron) @ 79-94hz 1152x864/1280x720 PS/2 Microsoft Internet Keyboard (replaced cord) Antec EA-380D (380w) with stock fan removed Logitech MX510 (blue) with replaced USB cord 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
White Monoprice 9963 IEM headphones [Left ear] LostEarBuds medium single-flange tip [Right ear] Unknown medium single-flange tip Asus Xonar DS 
AudioAudioAudio
Dual SOIC LME49990 DIP8 op amp [music] Foobar2000 + Xonar ASIO driver [games & movies] Razer Synapse 7.1ch to binaural 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core 2 Duo (Penryn) T8300 @ 2.4GHz Dell Studio 1535 Intel 965GMA 2GB 667MHz Samsung DDR2 
RAMHard DriveOSMonitor
1GB 667MHz Samsung DDR2 60GB Corsair Force 3 SSD Windows 7 64bit SP1 Toshiba 39L1350U HDTV 
KeyboardPowerMouseMouse Pad
Some USB wireless Logitech keyboard Rocketfish universial power adapter (my cousin's) Some USB wireless Logitech mouse couch 
AudioAudio
HDMI audio-out to HDTV HDTV optical-out to Denon AVR-200 reciever 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Pentium 3 @ 667MHz Some Intel mobo ATI Rage 128 AGP 32MB 2x256MB DDR1 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
1GB Sandisk CF card - boot drive Western Digital Caviar SE - 320GB IDE Maxtor - 200GB IDE RamDisk - adaptive 64MB viotle scratch 
CoolingOSMonitorPower
Athlon XP 2000+ Palomino stock heatsink w/ copp... Windows 2000 Pro SP4 None - VNC is used instead Bestec ATX-250-12Z 
CaseOtherOther
Some super-basic beige case Intel PCI ethernet card Linksys PCI ethernet card 
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