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Originally Posted by Nintendo Maniac 64 View Post

It all depends on whether this PC is used for productivity or just basic office tasks. If the former then yes "MOAR CORES!" is better. If the latter than an SSD would be better.

Well, this is called "Best bang4buck AMD rig under $500", and a A10 easily outclasses that cellery processor. Not to mention it's onboard graphics is extremely good, negating the need for a GPU for years, if one is using regular things like youtube and blueray. This hugely increases it's value.

Even for productivity's sake, the A10 outclasses the cellery. Sure the PC will boot fast, but you'll be stuck waiting for it while it's on.
Edited by Gundamnitpete - 10/24/12 at 2:36am
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Thanks mdocod! Got sata 6bg/s and usb 3 for no extra $ with your suggestion smile.gif +rep

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2 SAMSUNG 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model MV-3V4G3/USItem #: N82E16820147094Memory Standard Return Policy $33.98($16.99 ea)

1 LG DVD Burner Black SATA Model GH24NS90 - OEMItem #: N82E16827136247Standard Return Policy $15.99

1 AMD A10-5800K Trinity 3.8GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Socket FM2 100W Quad-Core Desktop APU (CPU + GPU) with DirectX 11 Graphic AMD ...Item #: N82E16819113280CPU Replacement Only Return Policy $129.99

1 ASRock FM2A75M-DGS FM2 AMD A75 (Hudson D3) SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX AMD MotherboardItem #: N82E16813157331Standard Return Policy $54.99

1 OCZ Agility 4 AGT4-25SAT3-128G 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)Item #: N82E16820227807Limited Replacement Only Return Policy $94.99

1 PC Power and Cooling Silencer MK III 400W Modular 80PLUS Bronze Power Supply compatible with Intel Sandy Bridge Core i3 i5 ...Item #: N82E16817703034Standard Return Policy $69.99

DISCOUNT FOR COMBO #1076922 -$24.99

DISCOUNT FOR COMBO #1081053 -$15.00


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It all depends on whether this PC is used for productivity or just basic office tasks. If the former then yes "MOAR CORES!" is better. If the latter than an SSD would be better.

Office tasks run better on Trinity/llano because of the iGPU and that most office applications including Internet browsers utilize GPU acceleration.
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Well, this is called "Best bang4buck AMD rig under $500", and a A10 easily outclasses that cellery processor. Not to mention it's onboard graphics is extremely good, negating the need for a GPU for years, if one is using regular things like youtube and blueray. This hugely increases it's value.
Even for productivity's sake, the A10 outclasses the cellery. Sure the PC will boot fast, but you'll be stuck waiting for it while it's on.

Ehh, it really depends on what you are doing. For single threaded performance and applications that do not utilize GPU acceleration, the Celeron will be better.

For such low budgets, all options should be looked at, not just one side of things. Fanboyism plays no part in budget rigs.
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Thanks guys! some rep points have been handed out thumb.gif

What did you end up going with ? I want to see who's recommendations you took ! This was too good of a discussion not to see the final verdict! thumb.gif
     
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What did you end up going with ? I want to see who's recommendations you took ! This was too good of a discussion not to see the final verdict! thumb.gif

3 posts up is what I ended up ordering thumb.gif
I think it will be pretty quick and much faster than the ancient xp dells that are currently in the office.
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Hi bob808,

I think you did darn well there! PC Power and Cooling makes good PSUs. I have used one of their units in a build for a family member (similar sort of combo special but over a year ago). The 3rd party testing on such units has always been pretty good.

I'm not fond of OCZ in general, so lets hope the drive works out to be solid.
     
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It is a Vertex 4, which uses a re-badged Marvel controller, so it's apparently considerably better than the older Sandforce-powered ones.
 
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Thanks mdocod! Got sata 6bg/s and usb 3 for no extra $ with your suggestion smile.gif +rep
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1 OCZ Agility 4 AGT4-25SAT3-128G 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)Item #: N82E16820227807Limited Replacement Only Return Policy $94.99 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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DISCOUNT FOR COMBO #1081053 -$15.00
Subtotal $414.92
After shipping $421.09

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It is a Vertex 4, which uses a re-badged Marvel controller, so it's apparently considerably better than the older Sandforce-powered ones.

He listed an Agility SSD, not a Vertex confused.gif
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Derp.. Well, both the Agility 4 and Vertex 4 both use re-badged Marvel controllers, so....
 
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Hi OlskoolOCer,
Welcome to OCN!
I see you are trying your hand at build suggestions! The more the merrier. I'll give you a build critique for fun eh smile.gif
  • Modern Intel consumer chips, and AMD APU chips, come with on-chip GPUs that are MORE powerful than an HD5450. There are many $50-130 CPUs with integrated GPU solutions that would provide a better value for this build than the $165 discrete CPU+GPU solution.
  • 60-64GB SSDs have fallen out of the value segment at nearly $1/GB typically. $85 will buy a great quality 120GB SSD drive, which for a build like this one, may be large enough to forgo a mechanical drive entirely.
  • Fancy memory has little to no impact on performance these days. Granted, you can "tweak out" a few percent performance in limited situations with fancy RAM. For budget builds there isn't enough benefit to justify the price premium. $30-40 8GB kits are the way to go here.
  • For mid and full ATX cases, the modern trending is towards bottom mount PSUs, behind-tray cable management, side-ways 3.5" drive mounting, tool-less drive mounting, blacked out interiors/backs, rolled internal edges (no sharp edges) and side and/or top mount fan positions, etc. There are many cases in the $35-50 (without PSU) that offer many of these modern benefits (of which, the Antec you've selected has none). The PSU in the case you have selected is actually very appropriate for this build, it just comes in a relatively antiquated case.


A picture is worth a lot of words here... Assuming this office machine were placed on a desk in such a way that the rear of the machine were visible, which would you prefer to be staring at the back side of?
The Antec is the ugly traditional steel look. The blacked out case is a Source 210, commonly available for around $40. It has all of the features I mentioned above less the fancy drive mounting.
Best Regards,
Eric

Uhh thx for the tips...
I kinda already know what im doing, been into hardware since the 90s and am a tech smile.gif

In any case in response to your critique I could spend 5 min typing.
Just a few things:
1)Yes I know modern APUs are more powerfull then a 5450, so what..... I dont think his boss is going to be playing BF3 on a 500$ office rig, what he needs is CPU speed which is why I put a Vishera and an SSD...
2)Concerning the SSD, there is no need for anything over 64gb on an office rig for OS and work appz, the extra money should be put towards the mechanical storage drive.....
3)Concerning the memory, tight timings are best for an office enviroment and besides they fit budget....
4)Everything you mentioned about case and PSU may be usefull for an enthusiast like us, yet again not for a budget 500$ office rig........, that case a PSU are fine for the build.

In the end, put something better together that would beat what I built in office benchmarks and then you could critique me all you want smile.gif
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