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Same but it is my friday WOOT!

With all of these posting and stocks finally rising again do you think AMD is finally getting a strong footing? HSA and hUMA are quite interesting although makes me wonder what the excavator chips are really going to be.. surely we wont lose cores for multithreading?

I remembered when Intel first chose to do hyperthreading made me kind of sad as it didn't really fix anything programming wise.. also since the 700 series just came out isn't AMD/ATI still about to release a 9000 series, with it being as is even a 770 is getting pitted againgst a 7970 so that should be promising
Well it seems to me that over the past year or 2 AMD has been strategically placing itself and that placing is beginning to bear fruit, just a small example XBOX/Playstation. And of course the huma, opencl compute. The next GPUs are 8000 actually and they have leaked their numbers. Looking like 8970 beats titan. Seems their (oh crap forgot the acronym) GCN? (maybe) 2.0 is the reason.

At a proven 50% increase in Performance/TDP (7790, Malta), ya, it's GCN 2.0's doing.
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Some nice scores you guys have got on that last benchmark....Ill be working towards it soon so beware biggrin.gif

BTW HAPPY BIRTHDAY GERTIE

Hey, just 3 days after mine.

Happy birthday Gerty. cheers.gif
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At a proven 50% increase in Performance/TDP (7790, Malta), ya, it's GCN 2.0's doing.
Hey, just 3 days after mine.

Happy birthday Gerty. cheers.gif

Well happy belated Kyad
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At a proven 50% increase in Performance/TDP (7790, Malta), ya, it's GCN 2.0's doing.
Hey, just 3 days after mine.

Happy birthday Gerty. cheers.gif

Cheers............ You Too drunken.gif

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Well happy belated Kyad

Even @5.3 its not has high as i got it that time lol

Ill figure this out smile.gif
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Cheers............ You Too drunken.gif
Even @5.3 its not has high as i got it that time lol

Ill figure this out smile.gif

Itd be nice to see a 3960k compete in this bench and wow a stock 8350 beats a 3770k @5.2
http://hwbot.org/benchmark/hwbot_prime/halloffame
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yeah....i can submit to HWPrime tongue.gif



a lil beer to celebrate....as it will not last long...haha thumb.gif
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yeah....i can submit to HWPrime tongue.gif



a lil beer to celebrate....as it will not last long...haha thumb.gif

Thats a bloody great score,

Git!!!!


Bloody yan..........bloody french!!!

In b4 crash!!!!




Edit: Bloody Yorkshire men!!!!
Edited by gertruude - 5/31/13 at 10:36am
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Happy birthday Gertrude
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Same but it is my friday WOOT!

With all of these posting and stocks finally rising again do you think AMD is finally getting a strong footing? HSA and hUMA are quite interesting although makes me wonder what the excavator chips are really going to be.. surely we wont lose cores for multithreading?

I remembered when Intel first chose to do hyperthreading made me kind of sad as it didn't really fix anything programming wise.. also since the 700 series just came out isn't AMD/ATI still about to release a 9000 series, with it being as is even a 770 is getting pitted againgst a 7970 so that should be promising

Yeah, they definitely are. You can tell by what Intel is doing.

First, Intel is focusing on GPU. Why? Because they know HSA/OpenCL is going to be a thing, and if they're shipping HD4000 quality GPUs as their high end, they're not going to get a piece of the pie. Ask yourself how many regular joes who would buy an Intel laptop care about iGPU performance? Most of them don't even know what an iGPU is, and the ones that do know and want to do something besides Facebook and Farmville with their GPUs get something from AMD or Nvidia.

Second, look at how Intel is framing their inability to increase performance and tweak their ancient P6 derived architecture. They won't admit it, they won't go, "well we can't get more than 7% IPC increase out of our chips now", but they will go "performance doesn't matter anymore!" The rumors and that supposed die shot of Steamroller leaves pretty much everyone that has an extremely good grasp on CPU architectures (much beyond my own) expecting at least a 30% increase in performance at the same clocks. Intel knows this. In fact, they know it so well, that my Google Reader for Intel this morning was filled with "Intel replacing Pentiums and Celerons with new Atom cores." And do you know why? Because they know their P6 derived architectures are finished and they're going to try and scale Atom up and turn it into a big core. It's all Intel has left, Itanium failed, Netburst failed, and original Atom failed but they're working hard to make it into something because it's the only CPU where Intel can extract more performance out of it.

Intel has been stuck in a rut for a long time. Nehalem was their last real significant IPC increase, SB was mainly just a clock bump. If you find the time to compare i7 975 to 2600k, you will find they end up pretty darn close, specially considering 975 has lower clocks.

It is the giant, white elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about, the fact that Intel, has, for the last 5 years, only been able to deliver <10% IPC increases. That, and the fact that Intel cheats at measuring their process node, and their 22nm is a lot closer to 26nm. http://www.electronicsweekly.com/mannerisms/manufacturing/the-honest-process-guy-2013-05/ There's a few more sources, but you get the gist.

I think that once we start seeing games get optimized for AMD, and if we see more things like this HWBOT Prime benchmark that is designed with fair compilers which optimize evenly for all CPUs, that people are going to realize that Intel isn't that strong, they only know how to make themselves feel strong. We've seen massive amounts of scrutiny over frame times and frame rates last year, and now I believe that if people are vocal enough about it, we can see people realize that CPU benchmarks that don't use a fair compiler are breaking CPU reviews.

To be able to recompile LAME and see a 60% increase in performance at the same clocks, and to use the slower version of LAME as a representation of a CPU's total performance is just flat out deceptive. If you want to play that game I might as well put a first time, 16 year old driver behind the wheel of a supercar, watch him crash and have a horrible lap time, and then declare the car is slow and doesn't handle. It's essentially the same thing.

To be totally honest with you, if Skyrim was compiled the same way LAME official is, you'd see a 60% performance increase on the AMD, which would actually put it above the 3770k. I really, really hope you guys seeing this kind of performance by running an open sourced, fair benchmark on top of an open sourced, fair runtime as a brutal blow to how CPU reviews are currently performed, when reviewers don't consider compilation options or instructions used on each CPU and program and instead declare benchmarks as an accurate representation of CPU performance without actually knowing anything about the benchmark.
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yeah....i can submit to HWPrime tongue.gif



a lil beer to celebrate....as it will not last long...haha thumb.gif

+1 on that I went to go beat you but the top score I can manage is 6884 after that I think my PSU kicks the bucket and says hey "im givin her all shes got" that and anything north of 5.3 wants over 1.74v
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Happy birthday Gertrude Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Yeah, they definitely are. You can tell by what Intel is doing.

First, Intel is focusing on GPU. Why? Because they know HSA/OpenCL is going to be a thing, and if they're shipping HD4000 quality GPUs as their high end, they're not going to get a piece of the pie. Ask yourself how many regular joes who would buy an Intel laptop care about iGPU performance? Most of them don't even know what an iGPU is, and the ones that do know and want to do something besides Facebook and Farmville with their GPUs get something from AMD or Nvidia.

Second, look at how Intel is framing their inability to increase performance and tweak their ancient P6 derived architecture. They won't admit it, they won't go, "well we can't get more than 7% IPC increase out of our chips now", but they will go "performance doesn't matter anymore!" The rumors and that supposed die shot of Steamroller leaves pretty much everyone that has an extremely good grasp on CPU architectures (much beyond my own) expecting at least a 30% increase in performance at the same clocks. Intel knows this. In fact, they know it so well, that my Google Reader for Intel this morning was filled with "Intel replacing Pentiums and Celerons with new Atom cores." And do you know why? Because they know their P6 derived architectures are finished and they're going to try and scale Atom up and turn it into a big core. It's all Intel has left, Itanium failed, Netburst failed, and original Atom failed but they're working hard to make it into something because it's the only CPU where Intel can extract more performance out of it.

Intel has been stuck in a rut for a long time. Nehalem was their last real significant IPC increase, SB was mainly just a clock bump. If you find the time to compare i7 975 to 2600k, you will find they end up pretty darn close, specially considering 975 has lower clocks.

It is the giant, white elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about, the fact that Intel, has, for the last 5 years, only been able to deliver <10% IPC increases. That, and the fact that Intel cheats at measuring their process node, and their 22nm is a lot closer to 26nm. http://www.electronicsweekly.com/mannerisms/manufacturing/the-honest-process-guy-2013-05/ There's a few more sources, but you get the gist.

I think that once we start seeing games get optimized for AMD, and if we see more things like this HWBOT Prime benchmark that is designed with fair compilers which optimize evenly for all CPUs, that people are going to realize that Intel isn't that strong, they only know how to make themselves feel strong. We've seen massive amounts of scrutiny over frame times and frame rates last year, and now I believe that if people are vocal enough about it, we can see people realize that CPU benchmarks that don't use a fair compiler are breaking CPU reviews.

To be able to recompile LAME and see a 60% increase in performance at the same clocks, and to use the slower version of LAME as a representation of a CPU's total performance is just flat out deceptive. If you want to play that game I might as well put a first time, 16 year old driver behind the wheel of a supercar, watch him crash and have a horrible lap time, and then declare the car is slow and doesn't handle. It's essentially the same thing.

To be totally honest with you, if Skyrim was compiled the same way LAME official is, you'd see a 60% performance increase on the AMD, which would actually put it above the 3770k. I really, really hope you guys seeing this kind of performance by running an open sourced, fair benchmark on top of an open sourced, fair runtime as a brutal blow to how CPU reviews are currently performed, when reviewers don't consider compilation options or instructions used on each CPU and program and instead declare benchmarks as an accurate representation of CPU performance without actually knowing anything about the benchmark.

Wall of text. I will edit this after I read lol

EDIT:

Well that is obvious about Intel however there is one thing that Intel has over AMD is the single threaded IPC, for now its working and is slowly diminishing more or less. It is seeming to start becoming the days of the Athlon x2 where AMD is really getting things back together.

It really is amazing how all of this has played out. Intel is clearly as a disadvantage with their iGPU. They are however ramping that up (when has intels graphics ever been good lol)

You do have a point about software but that has been evident for so long. The only reason AMD is starting to get a break is because of this leverage that they had, Im sure that AMD wanted bulldozer to be the chip that got people excited again. I think that had pushed them back in a hole as far how customers see them. The best thing that has happened at this point is that they got the apu's out and showed how well they can be

The next gen consoles are going to be great but to us here we are not going to see much until about 2 years down the road when people finally learn how to fully write with good code. Then again you will always have your skyrim (TBH i preferred oblivion anyway)
Edited by F3ERS 2 ASH3S - 5/31/13 at 11:38am
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Happy birthday Gertrude - have fun today cheers.gif

here my score :

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here my score :


really odd question but my bench only read half my ram btw good score
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AMD FX 8350 @ 5.06GHz AsUS Sabertooth R2.0 xfx 280x DD Crucial Ballistex Tactical Tracer 1866Mhz 
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WIN 7 ultamate AOC 23" LED LCD Microsoft wireless laser 6000 Rosewill Capstone 750w 
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Coolermaster HAF 912 Microsoft wireless laser 6000 none 
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phenom II x6 1100T MSI 990FXA-GD65 GTX 460 GTX 460 
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Crucial Ballistix Tactical Tracer 8GB (2 x 4GB)... Samsung SSD 830  LG Blueray Coolermaster N520 
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Wet Billy
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PHENOM Phoenix
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX 8350 @ 5.06GHz AsUS Sabertooth R2.0 xfx 280x DD Crucial Ballistex Tactical Tracer 1866Mhz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
Samsung 830 SSD 128GB LG BD-ROM/DVD Rewriter XSPC Raystorm RS240 kit A LOT OF FANS 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
WIN 7 ultamate AOC 23" LED LCD Microsoft wireless laser 6000 Rosewill Capstone 750w 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
Coolermaster HAF 912 Microsoft wireless laser 6000 none 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
phenom II x6 1100T MSI 990FXA-GD65 GTX 460 GTX 460 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial Ballistix Tactical Tracer 8GB (2 x 4GB)... Samsung SSD 830  LG Blueray Coolermaster N520 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 7 Ultimate x64 AOC 1080p LED Microsoft OCZ 850w 
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