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Does the CPU batch really make a difference and is 1311 a good batch?
no it does not make a difference. some people will tell you it does. when they do ask for proof. they will have none to give. most ppl will go well mine comes from .... blah and it is great !~

Since the dawn of ICs there have always been good and bad batches of chips... Seriously, how can you even think of denying that? (I'm guessing you weren't around for the infamous batch 1242?) It applies to far more than just ICs too... Next you'll be saying that VID and binning make no difference. rolleyes.gif

@Devildog: Yes, there are good and bad batches. Chips from the same batch generally OC the same within margin of error. Unfortunately, it usually takes years to build up a good enough database to get a pattern out of it for AMD chips because few people adopt them. If you check the Intel threads, specifically the Sandy and Ivy ones, you'll notice they have a huge database and you can easily search for your batch and see roughly where it stands.
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At this time I can't afford an H100. However I'm running a 212 evo on it and not the stock heatsink.

The 4100 is only 95w and much easier to cool. I have never had a hyper 212 but sounds like it's not going to handle the 125w 8 core very well even with better thermal compound unless it was applied wrong. I am not an expert though.

A 212 is usually good enough to handle 4.5Ghz on an 8350.

On the other hand, a high-leakage chip (ultra-low VID, but high temps) or improper/bad paste application can change that easily.
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Since the dawn of ICs there have always been good and bad batches of chips... Seriously, how can you even think of denying that? (I'm guessing you weren't around for the infamous batch 1242?) It applies to far more than just ICs too... Next you'll be saying that VID and binning make no difference. rolleyes.gif

@Devildog: Yes, there are good and bad batches. Chips from the same batch generally OC the same within margin of error. Unfortunately, it usually takes years to build up a good enough database to get a pattern out of it for AMD chips because few people adopt them. If you check the Intel threads, specifically the Sandy and Ivy ones, you'll notice they have a huge database and you can easily search for your batch and see roughly where it stands.
A 212 is usually good enough to handle 4.5Ghz on an 8350.

On the other hand, a high-leakage chip (ultra-low VID, but high temps) or improper/bad paste application can change that easily.
again have to disagree. they may "oc better" but you can just as easily get a bad chip from a "good" batch or a golden chip from a "bad" batch . it really is just luck

people always say "good" batch or "bad" batch but i really think there is not enough info across the web.
how many people will honestly post a bad chip? my overly generous estimate is 2:10 just like reviews. how many people review a product it is good vs ppl with problems with it.

unless a company will monitor EVERY chip made @ ~80-90% those tables are highly skewed.

it is also said that chips in the center of the wafer are the best. in your opinion is this true?

again i ask for real proof with these numbers
how many chip were produced in said batch?
what percentage of chips were reported?
MAX oc of all chips in same system?
components used? tested in multiple motherboards?


you already know this but i will say it anyway
people always think that just because a chip ocs in one system means it will in another. too many variables. cheap ram, cheap mobo, or just unlucky in the silicone lottery in ANY of these categories.
cheap psus, low quality power delivery ambient temps.

sorry too many variables to make such an assumption on good/bad batches baised on people submitting non monitored information to make a real accurate chart.
unfortunately there will always be differing opinions on this ( just a superstition~). and there will NEVER be concrete proof either for or against this topic
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Good info thanks. So I guess if mine works well then batch 1311 must be a good one. biggrin.gif
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Since the dawn of ICs there have always been good and bad batches of chips... Seriously, how can you even think of denying that? (I'm guessing you weren't around for the infamous batch 1242?) It applies to far more than just ICs too... Next you'll be saying that VID and binning make no difference. rolleyes.gif

@Devildog: Yes, there are good and bad batches. Chips from the same batch generally OC the same within margin of error. Unfortunately, it usually takes years to build up a good enough database to get a pattern out of it for AMD chips because few people adopt them. If you check the Intel threads, specifically the Sandy and Ivy ones, you'll notice they have a huge database and you can easily search for your batch and see roughly where it stands.
A 212 is usually good enough to handle 4.5Ghz on an 8350.

On the other hand, a high-leakage chip (ultra-low VID, but high temps) or improper/bad paste application can change that easily.
again have to disagree. they may "oc better" but you can just as easily get a bad chip from a "good" batch or a golden chip from a "bad" batch . it really is just luck

people always say "good" batch or "bad" batch but i really think there is not enough info across the web.
how many people will honestly post a bad chip? my overly generous estimate is 2:10 just like reviews. how many people review a product it is good vs ppl with problems with it.

1unless a company will monitor EVERY chip made @ ~80-90% those tables are highly skewed.

2it is also said that chips in the center of the wafer are the best. in your opinion is this true?

3again i ask for real proof with these numbers
4how many chip were produced in said batch?
5what percentage of chips were reported?
6MAX oc of all chips in same system?
7components used? tested in multiple motherboards?


you already know this but i will say it anyway
8people always think that just because a chip ocs in one system means it will in another. too many variables. cheap ram, cheap mobo, or just unlucky in the silicone lottery in ANY of these categories.
cheap psus, low quality power delivery ambient temps.

sorry too many variables to make such an assumption on good batches/ bad batches baised on people submitting non monitored information to make a real accurate chart.

this is my opinion and you all are welcome to believe what you want

Think what you want, but do not spread false information.

1) An Integrated Circuit company does monitor every chip they make. It's called binning, and basic QA.

2) This is only said of Intel chips, and it is due to the manufacturing process Intel uses. AMD does not use the same process.

3) Again, I point you to the numerous databases around OCN for the various chips.

4) Depends. How many wafers, how many chips per wafer? A batch is defined as, for AMD, one week. The Batch number defined the year, followed by the week in that year. See below for more.**

5) Doesn't matter. See above about it taking time to fill out a respectable database.

6) Again, doesn't matter. False argument. Max OC attainable by a person is not representative of the chips capability. What voltage it takes to get the OC they do have does represent the chip's ability. With a sufficient database, it is possible to literally make an average voltage graph for a given batch. We can, to an extent, do this with Batch 1237 due to the number of people who got it.

7) Again, doesn't matter. With a large enough database you can even take the Batch's standard numbers and apply for variation between parts, the only one that makes a difference being the Motherboard. Heatsinks and PSU are either good enough or not, and will only limit the max OC, not the voltage needed for a range of OC's. No other component when running stock will hold back a CPU OC.

8) none of that matters in the long run. See above.

You provide variables for yourself by looking at the wrong value. No one cares what the Max OC is to judge a batch, they look at the average volts and temps for various speeds. The ones that, on average, run with fewer volts and run cooler are better batches. Some exceptions (Such as batch 1242) can be made for chips that just run too hot or require too much voltage to be considered standard. And yes, we have enough experience in this thread with batch 1242 to know it's complete trash. Ask anyone who was here since the beginning.

**Chips made in the same general time span (a batch) are more likely to the similar then, say, a chip made in December vs one in March. Anyone who understands manufacturing processes should understand why, since, again, this holds true for far more than CPUs. Who else remembers that bad batch of H100s with the grinding sound? In that instance, there was a problem with the process for a little while until they fixed it. Voila, a bunch of H100s made in the same time frame had the same problem. The next batch fixed it. This same concept applies to everything that is made in bulk, and even handmade things if the materials supply has a bad batch too.
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Think what you want, but do not spread false information.

**Chips made in the same general time span (a batch) are more likely to the similar then, say, a chip made in December vs one in March. Anyone who understands manufacturing processes should understand why, since, again, this holds true for far more than CPUs. Who else remembers that bad batch of H100s with the grinding sound? In that instance, there was a problem with the process for a little while until they fixed it. Voila, a bunch of H100s made in the same time frame had the same problem. The next batch fixed it. This same concept applies to everything that is made in bulk, and even handmade things if the materials supply has a bad batch too.

although i will gladly concede this fact my information is not false.

all either of us has is an opinion.

being similar and having a good overclocker is far from the same

if what hurricane and the other are asking is for a chip that has a certain voltage need then i totally concede. although it is still entirely possible to get a trash or golden chip from the same batch.

but what i understand is hurricane was looking for a golden chip that he can hit 5ghz with his h100 in which he is looking for a silicone lottery winner.
and the others well.. i was more concentrated on hurricanes wondering.

as for me i started with vishara the opening week. i dont remember when i started with ocn let alone this thread. ( opened account oct/2012 ) but idr when i really started ocing/ looking for relevant info )

also i have seen people in more then 1 amd thread over the last year talking about chips in the center of the wafer. one was even trying to identify chips based on batch numbers and other number put on the chip.
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what IBT are some of you guys using to stress test cpu?

Ive found my 24/7 oc but now want a stress test purely for benching, or would small FFTs in prime be enough?
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Think what you want, but do not spread false information.

**Chips made in the same general time span (a batch) are more likely to the similar then, say, a chip made in December vs one in March. Anyone who understands manufacturing processes should understand why, since, again, this holds true for far more than CPUs. Who else remembers that bad batch of H100s with the grinding sound? In that instance, there was a problem with the process for a little while until they fixed it. Voila, a bunch of H100s made in the same time frame had the same problem. The next batch fixed it. This same concept applies to everything that is made in bulk, and even handmade things if the materials supply has a bad batch too.

although i will gladly concede this fact my information is not false.

all either of us has is an opinion.

being similar and having a good overclocker is far from the same

if what hurricane and the other are asking is for a chip that has a certain voltage need then i totally concede. although it is still entirely possible to get a trash or golden chip from the same batch.

but what i understand is hurricane was looking for a golden chip that he can hit 5ghz with his h100 in which he is looking for a silicone lottery winner.
and the others well.. i was more concentrated on hurricanes wondering.

as for me i started with vishara the opening week. i dont remember when i started with ocn let alone this thread. ( opened account oct/2012 ) but idr when i really started ocing/ looking for relevant info )

also i have seen people in more then 1 amd thread over the last year talking about chips in the center of the wafer. one was even trying to identify chips based on batch numbers and other number put on the chip.

I'll write it up as a miscommunication.

A good batch is not what can OC best, it's what can OC within better parameters on average. If we were to say "OC best" then whoever got that 8.3ish with all 8 cores (LN2, obviously) would have the best batch ever. Obviously one chip can never define a batch.

As for center of the wafer... guy's nuts. Intel includes wafer location in their batch ID, AMD does not. The chip has a Batch number, Serial number, and 2D barcode of that Serial number. That's it. I wouldn't be checking the barcode on a bag of lettuce to see where it was grown in the field. tongue.gif
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New owner and user here, I'm currently using the stock fan and was able to control the RPM using the utility bundled in Asrock CD, idle load at 39c / 1899 RPM, normal 50 / 3200RPM and if 55 onwards, 5k RPM! sounds like a Boeing taking off haha. Anyway I'm considering a Noctua NH-D14, does anyone have that? how does it fare with the noise and overclocking capability?
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New owner and user here, I'm currently using the stock fan and was able to control the RPM using the utility bundled in Asrock CD, idle load at 39c / 1899 RPM, normal 50 / 3200RPM and if 55 onwards, 5k RPM! sounds like a Boeing taking off haha. Anyway I'm considering a Noctua NH-D14, does anyone have that? how does it fare with the noise and overclocking capability?

It's quiet, and it should be able to get you into 4.7-4.8Ghz territory. It won't climb the massive volt wall after that though.
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Ok guys I jumped ship and got myself a FX8350 to go with my 2 intel machines.
Crappy thing though I ended up buying a MSI 990FXA GD65 and I am now regretting it, temps are all over the place, 65c in bios and 20c in windows lol
What board would you guys recommend?
    
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