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i dunno anything about ud5s sorry

aida64 or hwinfo64
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i dunno anything about ud5s sorry

aida64 or hwinfo64

oh okay. Which of the 2 you recommend?

Also, ever since i got the UD5, 8350 and new ram, i have had the nv3dum.dll crash occur, i have tried redoing the Nvidia Drivers and such, could the CPU/RAM/Mobo combo mess up anything?
 
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Soo a little update with my CPU, I gave up with the bios voltage settings, I was tired of seeing 1.4v being pumped in when idling mad.gif

so I went and used amd overdrive *GASP* I know. but yannow what, I'm now running 4.4 stable @ 1.4v, and 0.9v when idle and not running anything, as it should.
as much crap as it gets, its fairly user friendly, its it the best? no way.

also can ram cause prime95 errors? since its being tested aswell? I'm beginning to worry about my ram because they sent me g.skill ddr3 1600 with 9-9-9-24 timings, but those are not the timings I have, they are 11-11-11-28



Do you guys consider the CPU "stable from an prime test that you get 0 errors from but your close to 62c, I mean, how many games/programs are there that is going to run a cpu as hot as a benching program or something like prime? 4.6 is fine but it gets hot in prime95, but when playing bf4,crysis3, metroLL,Far cry3 or any other programs I use it doesn't go over 52c.

0 bsod, hangs, errors, just the heat when running prime
     
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62c during stability testing is fine. That was my goal actually. 62 is safe for cpu and under an unrealistic load you barely hitting the recommended max of cpu. It will be fine.

Prime is not really amd freindly imo. I use the amd overdrive stability test.
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are you cooling your vrms ?

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are you cooling your vrms ?
This ^ is a big MUST DO for any 8 CORE vishera.

Yes got a high speed fan on my VRM/NB/SB sinks and its about 10C in my room, theirs no way their hot lol

I cant find APM in my BIOS either.

FB should be fine. Just enable HPC as MegaMan said. It should be with the other CPU power settings, like C'n'Q.
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are you cooling your vrms ?

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are you cooling your vrms ?
This ^ is a big MUST DO for any 8 CORE vishera.

Yes got a high speed fan on my VRM/NB/SB sinks and its about 10C in my room, theirs no way their hot lol

I cant find APM in my BIOS either.

FB should be fine. Just enable HPC as MegaMan said. It should be with the other CPU power settings, like C'n'Q.

Okay i did enable the HPC and it worked smile.gif Even got a 4.4Ghz OC on her now and she is IBT Stable.

I heard else where that you have to disable HPC, adjust OC in BIOS, boot, then go back and enable it, is that true?
 
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are you cooling your vrms ?

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are you cooling your vrms ?
This ^ is a big MUST DO for any 8 CORE vishera.

Yes got a high speed fan on my VRM/NB/SB sinks and its about 10C in my room, theirs no way their hot lol

I cant find APM in my BIOS either.

FB should be fine. Just enable HPC as MegaMan said. It should be with the other CPU power settings, like C'n'Q.

Okay i did enable the HPC and it worked smile.gif Even got a 4.4Ghz OC on her now and she is IBT Stable.

I heard else where that you have to disable HPC, adjust OC in BIOS, boot, then go back and enable it, is that true?

I remember reading that a while ago as well, but from experience... No. You do not have to do that.

I can jump between my 4.8Ghz and 5Ghz profiles on my UD5 Rev 3 just by loading them and rebooting, no HPC trickery required.
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I remember reading that a while ago as well, but from experience... No. You do not have to do that.

I can jump between my 4.8Ghz and 5Ghz profiles on my UD5 Rev 3 just by loading them and rebooting, no HPC trickery required.

Okay good. Thanks.

Well AMD OD looks useless, thought i would look into it since i got this shiny new 8350, but i think i will stick to BIOS tuning lol


So on my quest to 5Ghz, do i need to mess with Multi/BLCK/FSB and Vcore, like my older Q9550 days, or is the 8350 a new ball game of things to change? (Forgive me if within these 700+ pages is my answer, but i just got here and that's a lot of searching lol)
 
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Depends on what you are after Pimpskyline. You can just adjust the multiplier if all you want is raw CPU speed. If you are running a Multi-GPU configuration then upping your HT clock speed can help with the bandwidth. If you are after a combined overclocked of RAM and IMC for memory bandwidth and CPU speed. Then adjusting base clock and all the other multipliers can help as well. Generally speaking in my personal experience with my 8320 and 8350 you can run stock voltage up to about 4.4 GHz. Past that point you don't need to add much to get a decent speed boost. That all changes when you hit around 4.8-4.9 GHz where all the 8xxx Visheras hit the voltage wall. Make sure you're cooling is good. A fan on the backside of the socket or VRM's or both is a necessity. Have fun and experiment. This chip is a ton of fun to overclock and has a bunch of potential too!
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i dunno anything about ud5s sorry

aida64 or hwinfo64

oh okay. Which of the 2 you recommend?

Also, ever since i got the UD5, 8350 and new ram, i have had the nv3dum.dll crash occur, i have tried redoing the Nvidia Drivers and such, could the CPU/RAM/Mobo combo mess up anything?
either or are great programs, and both are updated frequently.... with that said i tend to use hwinfos the most

did you ever do a fresh install of windows? usually it is the best thing to do when swapping mobos
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Soo a little update with my CPU, I gave up with the bios voltage settings, I was tired of seeing 1.4v being pumped in when idling mad.gif

so I went and used amd overdrive *GASP* I know. but yannow what, I'm now running 4.4 stable @ 1.4v, and 0.9v when idle and not running anything, as it should.
as much crap as it gets, its fairly user friendly, its it the best? no way.

also can ram cause prime95 errors? since its being tested aswell? I'm beginning to worry about my ram because they sent me g.skill ddr3 1600 with 9-9-9-24 timings, but those are not the timings I have, they are 11-11-11-28



Do you guys consider the CPU "stable from an prime test that you get 0 errors from but your close to 62c, I mean, how many games/programs are there that is going to run a cpu as hot as a benching program or something like prime? 4.6 is fine but it gets hot in prime95, but when playing bf4,crysis3, metroLL,Far cry3 or any other programs I use it doesn't go over 52c.

0 bsod, hangs, errors, just the heat when running prime
yes see below as to why-however temps have nothing to do with stability, if you want to run your chips @80 by all means do so, but i would not recommend it
as to the ram, yes it can but if you are running 1600 9-9-9-24 ram at 1600 11-11-11-28, it should be stable
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62c during stability testing is fine. That was my goal actually. 62 is safe for cpu and under an unrealistic load you barely hitting the recommended max of cpu. It will be fine.

Prime is not really amd freindly imo. I use the amd overdrive stability test.
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I seriously question the need for all this 24hr testing going on your brand new CPU, I see numerous cases here of guys bragging about their 24hr stress testing, or saying someones overclock is not stable because they haven't benched for 24 hrs.

How much experience have you had with overclocking? This attitude is generally reserved for amateur overclockers who have never had corrupted data.
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A stress test is running all of your CPU cores flat out for however long you run the test, unless of course a core drops out because your overclock is unstable, I see the need for short term testing say an hour or maybe 2, because it won't take that long for an unstable overclock to show itself, but 24hrs in my opinion is not necessary.

I think you are confused. The error is not found because the CPU is at 100%. A major error, or more likely, many tiny irrecoverable errors, happen at any % of CPU usage. The programs are designed to find inconsistencies as fast as possible, utilizing all resources available to determine the stability. Its not lets see how hard we can squeeze your CPU till it breaks. Is it stressful? Sure, is the stress that causes error? No, that would be instability or heat. Another good way to test your cooling solution too I might add.
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There is not a thing on this planet designed to last forever, your precious CPU included when companies like Intel and AMD, guarantee their CPUs for 3 yr warranty time period, they're confident their CPUs will actually go past that time period, however that calculation is based on 3 yrs and beyond of normal use.

They know their CPUs are capable of lasting under normal spec'd use longer than the 3 yrs or they would not warranty them that long.

Not sure why this is even here. This has nothing to do with stability testing, unless you are assuming that all CPUs that are brand new should not be tested @ stock settings? Which a CPU should be tested to ensure its not defective. Rare, but it can happen.
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Now the cold hard fact is that overclocking your CPU will shorten its lifespan, but we accept that for the additional speed we gain, most of us will replace that cpu with an upgrade before is life expectancy arrives anyway, so taking it out of specifications is acceptable.

Has nothing to do with stability testing. Its about error prevention.
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However that's with normal day to day use, surfing the web, audio and video editing and converting, gaming, office documentation Etc, and though serious bench stress testing is necessary to achieve a stable overclock, what damage does stress testing over a 24 hr time period and beyond, actually do to shorten the lifespan of your new CPU.

Why would you even overclock then?
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For example if you stress test your new quad core CPU for 24hrs, and all 4 cores are running at 100% for 24 hrs, how much normal daily processing is lost, because no daily application uses all 4 cores at 100% for 24hrs, so at least think about that when you overclock your CPU, and use at least some kind of wisdom in your stress testing.

Again its not the stress that creates the error, its stress that finds the error. Errors can occur with as little as 1% core usage. The alternative is to use your computer until one day, your boot sector is corrupted, and Windows 7 repair, can't fix the files as the damage has occurred widespread through your file-system. At this point you are even lucky to recover data off the hard drive. Assuming you are still not using an unstable overclock, recovering data, will most likely keep it corrupt/re-corrupt it.
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Because if you don't think you're adding to shortening the life of your CPU, you're wrong!

Stress testing your CPU, if its adequately cooled, is not shortening your hardwares life, its the extra voltage/clock cycles from the overclock if anything. It sounds like you have a ton still to learn / grasp and thats okay. Overclocking has many useful applications, such as a technical server upgrade, gaming, scientific calculations, protein folding, etc. Many of those demand stability for personal and professional reasons. Folding requires 100% accurate data, or its wasteful time for both the user and server, which anyday can provide a cure to cancer (hopefully.) A non tested overclock in that field is extremely frowned upon by many people who dedicate entire machines to just folding.

I am not saying you have to stress test your CPU, or it will die and kill everything in your computer, but you are not going to convince anyone who knows what they are doing that its a waste of time.

I don't get why people are ever against having a fully stable system? It takes about a day if you actually have good settings. Maybe apathy or general laziness, but still, it will create so many headaches in the long run trying to figure out why the computer just doesn't want to work today.

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