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Depends on what you are after Pimpskyline. You can just adjust the multiplier if all you want is raw CPU speed. If you are running a Multi-GPU configuration then upping your HT clock speed can help with the bandwidth. If you are after a combined overclocked of RAM and IMC for memory bandwidth and CPU speed. Then adjusting base clock and all the other multipliers can help as well. Generally speaking in my personal experience with my 8320 and 8350 you can run stock voltage up to about 4.4 GHz. Past that point you don't need to add much to get a decent speed boost. That all changes when you hit around 4.8-4.9 GHz where all the 8xxx Visheras hit the voltage wall. Make sure you're cooling is good. A fan on the backside of the socket or VRM's or both is a necessity. Have fun and experiment. This chip is a ton of fun to overclock and has a bunch of potential too!

Well my goal is 5Ghz on the CPU and my RAM, according to reviews, can do about ~2,000Mhz, up from 1866 with a volt bump but same timings.

I have only One GPU, so idk if HT will help my CPU performance alone.


I guess since usually OC the FSB/BLCK speeds up the transfer of data between the CPU-RAM-Chipset fro max perf, i would want that.

As far as cooling, i got a H100i and a fan on the NB/VRM and also one on the SB. Can't really fit a fan under the CPU Socket since i don't have a case and it's sitting in a Test Bench setup.

From my research, a 4.6-5.0Ghz OC is needed just to tie/beat my old CPU, and that's what i need for this upgrade to be worth it.


I really don't want to redo my Win, but i might have too. mad.gif
 
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Well my goal is 5Ghz on the CPU and my RAM, according to reviews, can do about ~2,000Mhz, up from 1866 with a volt bump but same timings.

I have only One GPU, so idk if HT will help my CPU performance alone.


I guess since usually OC the FSB/BLCK speeds up the transfer of data between the CPU-RAM-Chipset fro max perf, i would want that.

As far as cooling, i got a H100i and a fan on the NB/VRM and also one on the SB. Can't really fit a fan under the CPU Socket since i don't have a case and it's sitting in a Test Bench setup.

From my research, a 4.6-5.0Ghz OC is needed just to tie/beat my old CPU, and that's what i need for this upgrade to be worth it.


I really don't want to redo my Win, but i might have too. mad.gif
From a Phenom II, LOL! Even @4GHz, it will be much better. Also, the nv3.dll might be the second 560ti committing suicide.
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@mega man: thanks for clearing that up! I wasn't sure if some consider going over the 62c as unstable, I personally don't like the idea of running above 60c nor do I plan to.

I was curious, what do you consider "stock volts" the voltage before or after the turbo boost, without its 1.275v up to 1.368, with it its up to 1.44v for me.

currently testing 4.5 @ 1.425v, I noticed I would get a memory allocation error from amd overdrive stability test until I went from 1.416v to 1.425v, once at 1.425v no more error so it may need a little vcore, sadly that added a little more heat.

I tested a few games last night as well for a few hours each and found that's my temps for games were as follows when running at 4.4ghz:
Bf4: avg 40-47, peaked at 52c in spikes.
Crysis3: avg of 37-42 went up to 49c at one point
Metro LL Bench: avg of 45-48 and up 52c after a few runs
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Far Cry 3: avg of 42-46 and peaked to 51c after a while of playing
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Sorry megaman I have to disagree with you quoting kain. I'm no professional overclocker, but I definitely am no amateur, been doing this awhile (although was still kinda new to vishera). Prime95 for 24hours is completely useless. its testing at loads that it will never reach in real world performance. The thing about stable is stability is different for everyone.

I had my 3770K pass prime95 for 26hour stable as I believed it was 100% locked down......Then booted up black ops 2 and withing 10 mins got a BSOD 124 error (Vcore) rolleyes.gif

Prime is great for a quick check and by that I mean an hour or so. Then just use the thing. If it plays all your games, and all your apps and does not BSOD your stable, if it BSOD'd raise the vcore a little and carry on.

I use these stressors for about 30min to an hour then I play my games and use the machine. That's just my experience though and everyone's is different. But 24Hour of prime is not needed to call something stable. Although my perspective is mainly from being a long term intel OCer.
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Well my goal is 5Ghz on the CPU and my RAM, according to reviews, can do about ~2,000Mhz, up from 1866 with a volt bump but same timings.

I have only One GPU, so idk if HT will help my CPU performance alone.


I guess since usually OC the FSB/BLCK speeds up the transfer of data between the CPU-RAM-Chipset fro max perf, i would want that.

As far as cooling, i got a H100i and a fan on the NB/VRM and also one on the SB. Can't really fit a fan under the CPU Socket since i don't have a case and it's sitting in a Test Bench setup.

From my research, a 4.6-5.0Ghz OC is needed just to tie/beat my old CPU, and that's what i need for this upgrade to be worth it.


I really don't want to redo my Win, but i might have too. mad.gif
From a Phenom II, LOL! Even @4GHz, it will be much better. Also, the nv3.dll might be the second 560ti committing suicide.

No it was a Q9550 @ 4.3Ghz And the 560ti 2win is dead, i got another GPU in it's place, but the error still shows up.

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Sorry megaman I have to disagree with you quoting kain. I'm no professional overclocker, but I definitely am no amateur, been doing this awhile (although was still kinda new to vishera). Prime95 for 24hours is completely useless. its testing at loads that it will never reach in real world performance. The thing about stable is stability is different for everyone.

I had my 3770K pass prime95 for 26hour stable as I believed it was 100% locked down......Then booted up black ops 2 and withing 10 mins got a BSOD 124 error (Vcore) rolleyes.gif

Prime is great for a quick check and by that I mean an hour or so. Then just use the thing. If it plays all your games, and all your apps and does not BSOD your stable, if it BSOD'd raise the vcore a little and carry on.

I use these stressors for about 30min to an hour then I play my games and use the machine. That's just my experience though and everyone's is different. But 24Hour of prime is not needed to call something stable. Although my perspective is mainly from being a long term intel OCer.

I can agree from my dealings with Intel P4 521 up to my late Q9550. I usually run PRIME for about 30 mins, IBT for 10-15 runs then go game, 2-4 hrs later, It's Stable lol
 
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Sorry megaman I have to disagree with you quoting kain. I'm no professional overclocker, but I definitely am no amateur, been doing this awhile (although was still kinda new to vishera). Prime95 for 24hours is completely useless. its testing at loads that it will never reach in real world performance. The thing about stable is stability is different for everyone.

I had my 3770K pass prime95 for 26hour stable as I believed it was 100% locked down......Then booted up black ops 2 and withing 10 mins got a BSOD 124 error (Vcore) rolleyes.gif

Prime is great for a quick check and by that I mean an hour or so. Then just use the thing. If it plays all your games, and all your apps and does not BSOD your stable, if it BSOD'd raise the vcore a little and carry on.

I use these stressors for about 30min to an hour then I play my games and use the machine. That's just my experience though and everyone's is different. But 24Hour of prime is not needed to call something stable. Although my perspective is mainly from being a long term intel OCer.

and that is fine, it was a warning, errors can and will show up at any cpu useage, people really think the corruptions only happen at full cpu useage, 100% false

with that said i never said you had to, i left a warning, that is all, yes stability is subjective, but as for me and my family stuff like my irreplaceable pics and what not.... i dont want to lose... so i push to the extreme

with all that said, just please dont come in here and say i have 5.2 stable, we do ask for proof, not to be a jerk, but in the past we have had people go buy the cheapest mobos and 212 ( not kidding ) or h100 and say they get 5ghz stable, which a rare few have ( with the h100 ) , but again rare few.
then others thought they could, and tried and felt ripped off when they couldnt, but they didnt know what form of "stable" the others had got

so tell us that "i feel it is stable", or not prime stable=, just so you all know as well the newest version of prime, 29.7 iirc has no problems i can find with fx cpus, the older ones did, as for prime not finding errors, i have found errors on 8 hours, 10 hours, 15 hours, so that is just not true
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Well my goal is 5Ghz on the CPU and my RAM, according to reviews, can do about ~2,000Mhz, up from 1866 with a volt bump but same timings.

I have only One GPU, so idk if HT will help my CPU performance alone.


I guess since usually OC the FSB/BLCK speeds up the transfer of data between the CPU-RAM-Chipset fro max perf, i would want that.

As far as cooling, i got a H100i and a fan on the NB/VRM and also one on the SB. Can't really fit a fan under the CPU Socket since i don't have a case and it's sitting in a Test Bench setup.

From my research, a 4.6-5.0Ghz OC is needed just to tie/beat my old CPU, and that's what i need for this upgrade to be worth it.


I really don't want to redo my Win, but i might have too. mad.gif
From a Phenom II, LOL! Even @4GHz, it will be much better. Also, the nv3.dll might be the second 560ti committing suicide.

No it was a Q9550 @ 4.3Ghz And the 560ti 2win is dead, i got another GPU in it's place, but the error still shows up.

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Sorry megaman I have to disagree with you quoting kain. I'm no professional overclocker, but I definitely am no amateur, been doing this awhile (although was still kinda new to vishera). Prime95 for 24hours is completely useless. its testing at loads that it will never reach in real world performance. The thing about stable is stability is different for everyone.

I had my 3770K pass prime95 for 26hour stable as I believed it was 100% locked down......Then booted up black ops 2 and withing 10 mins got a BSOD 124 error (Vcore) rolleyes.gif

Prime is great for a quick check and by that I mean an hour or so. Then just use the thing. If it plays all your games, and all your apps and does not BSOD your stable, if it BSOD'd raise the vcore a little and carry on.

I use these stressors for about 30min to an hour then I play my games and use the machine. That's just my experience though and everyone's is different. But 24Hour of prime is not needed to call something stable. Although my perspective is mainly from being a long term intel OCer.

I can agree from my dealings with Intel P4 521 up to my late Q9550. I usually run PRIME for about 30 mins, IBT for 10-15 runs then go game, 2-4 hrs later, It's Stable lol
Dude whoever told you that was terribly misinformed and wrong. The 83xx chips will beat the old core 2 quads into the dirt man. Especially since they surpass 3rd gen quad i5's and even trade blows with overclocked 3770k's and 4770k's when pumped up to 4.8Ghz+ man. At 4.5 you will certainly notice a difference. Past that and you might just singe your eyebrows! thumb.gif

With an H100I you will probably top out at about 4.8-5. Don't be scared to go up to 1.7 on RAM. JDEC states that DDR3 should be able to withstand up to 1.9v before incurring any damage. Also generally with CPu-NB speeds above 2500Mhz will need a little more volts. Don't get confused between NB and CPU-NB. CPU-NB is the memory controller and upping that will increase the memory bandwidth. Hope this helps man
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Remarkably close scoring between my 3770K and FX-8350 rigs http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/7708582/3dm11/7389292
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and that is fine, it was a warning, errors can and will show up at any cpu useage, people really think the corruptions only happen at full cpu useage, 100% false

with that said i never said you had to, i left a warning, that is all, yes stability is subjective, but as for me and my family stuff like my irreplaceable pics and what not.... i dont want to lose... so i push to the extreme

with all that said, just please dont come in here and say i have 5.2 stable, we do ask for proof, not to be a jerk, but in the past we have had people go buy the cheapest mobos and 212 ( not kidding ) or h100 and say they get 5ghz stable, which a rare few have ( with the h100 ) , but again rare few.
then others thought they could, and tried and felt ripped off when they couldnt, but they didnt know what form of "stable" the others had got

so tell us that "i feel it is stable", or not prime stable=, just so you all know as well the newest version of prime, 29.7 iirc has no problems i can find with fx cpus, the older ones did, as for prime not finding errors, i have found errors on 8 hours, 10 hours, 15 hours, so that is just not true
Agreed. Just make the statement Prime95 1 hour stable or IBT stable and If you are just gaming that is fine, no one will fault you. But there are very good reasons for ensuring 24hr or more Stable for folders and for work horses where that work is their livelihood. I am Game stable at 4.84ghz with not a single crash, but I am not certain nor do I feel the need to go for 24HR stable. One reason and it is a valid darn good reason: I AM POOR. Can not afford a new anything if I burn mine up, so I puss out and only go for the stability I need.
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Dude whoever told you that was terribly misinformed and wrong. The 83xx chips will beat the old core 2 quads into the dirt man. Especially since they surpass 3rd gen quad i5's and even trade blows with overclocked 3770k's and 4770k's when pumped up to 4.8Ghz+ man. At 4.5 you will certainly notice a difference. Past that and you might just singe your eyebrows! thumb.gif

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don't count out the core architecture.. this is funny because i Snagged a Pair of q6600 at my IT clean up job and i do plan on benching them against my FX8350

I don't expect a huge victory for the FX (i know my FX can do 4.6 and bench at 4.8 but...)

If i can get one of those q6600's to 4ghz the numbers might be closer that you would think

I'm almost thinking they will be nearly identical in 3DM benchs.
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