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I'll grab the VID and see what it's at. Is there a one-stop shop thread for all these new acronyms? apm, hpc, C&Q: I have no idea what all this is. This is my first AMD build and (as stated before) my most recent endeavor OCing since intel 775 days. Gosh I feel so old. :/ lol. Again, thanks for the help so far everyone!

APM = bad, it's a temp throttle based on socket.
HPC = good, allows CPU to run full tilt (on Gigabyte boards, don't know about ASUS).
CnQ = SpeedStep, AMD Edition.


@cssorkinman


I got some room left over, don't ya think? whistle.gif

I'd bump the multi to 19 for 4275, but the owner is going to come get the rig back tomorrow since my work is done. Thinking they'll be pleased going from 3.8 CPU and stock everything else to 4162 CPU, 2700 NB, 2025 HT, 1800 10-10-10-27 1T RAM, and cooler to boot since it used to be under a 212. tongue.gif Not bad cooling for an H100 with only 2 XSPC 1650 fans in push eh?


@Kalistoval

Ya you still aren't getting it. We already know everything you think we should learn "as a group". This chip is not new, we've had 15 months to learn it, and we have. Honestly the new temp limit was the first new thing about these chips in this thread in months. We're well beyond any of that now, and you've completely missed the train on being a part of that.

The closest you're going to get to that is to learn from the people that have been playing with the chips for over a year. That also includes not calling everyone who has been running the same overclock for the past 6 months lairs, saying they are fabricating data. 9 times out of 10, the ones who are wrong are the ones who have not been informed yet, such as in the instance of IBT vs IBT-AVX. People like MegaMan proved their overclock months ago to the entire club, it's simply a waste of time to prove it to every new person to come along who doesn't see how it's possible because they can't do it.

Also, as Durvelle said, don't be too proud of cheap things. Most of the time, if something is put down in the thread (like cheap PSUs), it is not to insult the owner, but to let the owner know that it's not a good idea. We've had quite a few people come in with cheap PSUs who also have had to throw more volts at it than normal to get an OC. They also very much run the risk of dying, and can potentially take the rest of the rig with them. PileDriver is an extremely hungry chip at higher speeds, and we've had 15 months of people trying to use "bargain" PSUs. It never ends well.
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I need help. 2-3 days ago, I tweaked the overclock on my 8350 because it wasn't quite stable and bluescreened on me on occasion. I turned down the overclock a bit but left it at the same voltage. But at one point the fan on the GPU was screaming, and so were the others, so I check AMD overdrive and it was giving readings of around 16 degrees o.O . I realized something was seriously wrong, and went to reboot it. When rebooting, the splash screen for the motherboard had vertical yellow stripes over top. So... not good, I guess. Now the same thing happened again today. I turned down the voltage from .075 to .050, and it's at 4.5 Ghz now. It seems like I may have fried the temperature sensor on the chip a bit. It seems to work normally most times, but when it gets hot it underestimates temps severely. Is that what happened, or does anyone else have any other theories? Is this a software glitch in Overdrive? Oh, and one more thing. I used to think bluescreens happen because of not enough power to the CPU ( when it's the CPU that's the cause ). Am I wrong?
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I need help. 2-3 days ago, I tweaked the overclock on my 8350 because it wasn't quite stable and bluescreened on me on occasion. I turned down the overclock a bit but left it at the same voltage. But at one point the fan on the GPU was screaming, and so were the others, so I check AMD overdrive and it was giving readings of around 16 degrees o.O . I realized something was seriously wrong, and went to reboot it. When rebooting, the splash screen for the motherboard had vertical yellow stripes over top. So... not good, I guess. Now the same thing happened again today. I turned down the voltage from .075 to .050, and it's at 4.5 Ghz now. It seems like I may have fried the temperature sensor on the chip a bit. It seems to work normally most times, but when it gets hot it underestimates temps severely. Is that what happened, or does anyone else have any other theories? Is this a software glitch in Overdrive? Oh, and one more thing. I used to think bluescreens happen because of not enough power to the CPU ( when it's the CPU that's the cause ). Am I wrong?

BSOD is Window's way of protecting the Operating System from damage by issuing a full stop if the CPU faults (incorrect/impossible output) twice in a row. An unstable CPU can be one reason, and is usually the case during overclocking, but even bad drivers can cause a BSOD.

Are you sure the GPU is ok? Might be worth replacing it with something you have laying around temporarily to see if it fixes the issue.
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Yea I wouldn't believe the hype some people muster up without hardcore cold facts. Alot of people in this thread can fabricate and will fabricate testimony just so they can appeal to the masses. I seriously question those that claim "Golden Chips", or lower power requirements for certain or specific clocks. Your chips at 1.56 for 4.8 based on my testing personally I believe that's the general requirement. These chips are power hungry mines is 1.620 for a true stable OC and the performance reflects that based on my observations through·out this entire thread even the FX 9000 require nearly the same amount of voltages for the same clocks give or take 0.10v. Anyone that claims otherwise should swerve without any extensive first hand research, documented live proof.

Ehh, its not that really... Some chips here are very much that "Golden".
More and more however, we have all realized that even the 8350's are binned much lower than before. I think and started pulling what used to be top binned 8350's for the 9xxx series instead.

And FX series now, is stretched thin across too many bins.

Let alone, careful under handing those here who are actually able to run those clocks at the voltages we'd like. Some (not all, but some) are every last bit of stable at the speeds and voltage we could only hope for.
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Ehh, its not that really... Some chips here are very much that "Golden".
More and more however, we have all realized that even the 8350's are binned much lower than before. I think and started pulling what used to be top binned 8350's for the 9xxx series instead.

And FX series now, is stretched thin across too many bins.

Let alone, careful under handing those here who are actually able to run those clocks at the voltages we'd like. Some (not all, but some) are every last bit of stable at the speeds and voltage we could only hope for.
speaking of stable I finally got more stable at 5.1 I need more cooling

1.72v oouch

Bright side cine 11.5 I now am at 8.9ish on the multi threaded Got my ram up to a full solid 2133 @ 8 8 8 20 timings
Edited by F3ERS 2 ASH3S - 1/21/14 at 10:14pm
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BSOD is Window's way of protecting the Operating System from damage by issuing a full stop if the CPU faults (incorrect/impossible output) twice in a row. An unstable CPU can be one reason, and is usually the case during overclocking, but even bad drivers can cause a BSOD.

Are you sure the GPU is ok? Might be worth replacing it with something you have laying around temporarily to see if it fixes the issue.

I don't have a spare GPU, unfortunately. Thanks for the information, though!
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Did you install the Windows 7 hotfixes?

Nah, does the windows 7 hotfixes help aswell?
Yes it does. Because windows 7 scheduler is not set up to take full advantage of how the Pilderiver module at architecture is designed. So it will use all the cores in a module before moving to the next module so it will use core 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7 in that order. And because two cores in a module share resources you get a performance penalty. So what the hot fixes do is change the scheduler so that it fills 1 core and then moves to the next module. So it will go core 0,2,4,6,1,3,5,7 instead. So for anything that uses less than all 8 threads you can see upwards of about 15% performance boost. However the improvement is less noticeable, around 3% when all the cores are under load. Make sense? I hope so wink.gif
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speaking of stable I finally got more stable at 5.1 I need more cooling

1.72v oouch

Ouch indeed, I'm 5.05 Stable at 1.56v

I can boot into Windows at 5.238 with 1.632v but it's no where near stable tongue.gif

I still gotta try talking myself into 1.7v.........
 
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Ouch indeed, I'm 5.05 Stable at 1.56v

I can boot into Windows at 5.238 with 1.632v but it's no where near stable tongue.gif

I still gotta try talking myself into 1.7v.........

Its a leap of fate.. I can only use it as a gaming profile as the temps get out of control under full prolonged load with my current cooling. I need a better pump first but I also need more rads and maybe Ill have to get another case soon. Ugh the moneys the moneys.. Come on tax returns!
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pshh, my 8350 needs 1.56 to meet 4.8! lol... I lost the CPU lottery twice! (sent the first chip back since it would BSOD under load at stock)...

but then again my definition of stable is... leave it running prime for a week... stable rolleyes.gif

Yea I wouldn't believe the hype some people muster up without hardcore cold facts. Alot of people in this thread can fabricate and will fabricate testimony just so they can appeal to the masses. I seriously question those that claim "Golden Chips", or lower power requirements for certain or specific clocks. Your chips at 1.56 for 4.8 based on my testing personally I believe that's the general requirement. These chips are power hungry mines is 1.620 for a true stable OC and the performance reflects that based on my observations through·out this entire thread even the FX 9000 require nearly the same amount of voltages for the same clocks give or take 0.10v. Anyone that claims otherwise should swerve without any extensive first hand research, documented live proof.

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Sigh... Learn your place dude. You have been here for maybe a week or two, we've been here for 15 months. You are on a lower-end board with bad LLC control and medium cooling at best (Ya, even the double-towers aren't that good for PD). Believe it or not, that combined with an 8320 hurts your chance to get higher clocks at good voltages. So does your $35 Inland PSU with only 430w on the 12v rail.

Your low-end parts do not make for the norm. MadGoat knows a lot too, he's just pointing out how bad he got screwed over and making a joke out of it. He's probably had the absolute worst chips this thread has ever seen, and he has acknowledged such multiple times.

repo_man on the other hand has a Sabertooth and an H100 with a TX750. He won't have your problems, because he built it right with solid parts.
Some people in the thread bench well above 1.65v and we haven't killed one yet, but for the sake of safety we say 1.55v should be the most you use unless you feel comfortable going higher.

These chips are tanks. Keep em cool and they'll do whatever you want, just don't go expecting 5Ghz without a custom loop. tongue.gif
Man, stop teasing people. tongue.gif
Back in ye olden days...

Top Suicide: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2520047
Top 24/7: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2168265

CPU-Z lies though, the actual voltage for the 24/7 was 1.55v. The chip is back in business now, so I can get some updated validations. And ya, I ran that way with 16/32GB. devil.gif



I'm at 4.8 Ghz on a FX 8320 that's a 1.3ghz overclock on a cheapo psu and a 970 board that has kept its stability that's proof I'm glad you acknowledged it. The funny part is where my case is worth more than my psu but that's irrelevant. as for my cooler its awesome practically 0 maintenance all i had to add was a few fans and precise airflow. Phenoms LOL. I practically gave a 1100T away Fears can vouch for that. The thing here is look at what I'm proving here these are all half ass parts and still 4.8 on the clock regardless of voltages. Fears has been running his slightly higher than I for well over a year. You been hear 15 months that's irrelevant your still not a surgeon, 15 months on this thread and you still have NOT been able to compile a proper baseline, Overclocking protocols. New comers to the Vishera/Pile Driver cannot gather enough data from page 1 they have to come ask for scrapp's of info on page 2096.
really ? i dare you to ask shilka about your psu,j besides the fact that you think it is ok, it will kill your componants faster, it is just a matter of time, it amazes me that people buy high end products and then think the cheapest psu is good for them, the psu is one of the few componants that can and will kill everything else in your case
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Thank you all for the great advice and info. Old nooblet here finally getting back to OCing. smile.gif
I'll grab the VID and see what it's at. Is there a one-stop shop thread for all these new acronyms? apm, hpc, C&Q: I have no idea what all this is. This is my first AMD build and (as stated before) my most recent endeavor OCing since intel 775 days. Gosh I feel so old. :/ lol. Again, thanks for the help so far everyone!
glad to help any time !
apm= aplication power management throttles cpu @40c core temp and @ 72c ( iirc ) socket
hpc = high performance computer stops apm from throttling @ 40core but it will continue to throttle @ socket temp
C&Q= cool and quiet lets the cpu down clock and downvolt, however it will only downvolt if you use offset mode and not manual

c1e and c6 are other power management but used under specific circumstances on my asus i could be stable with them on or off, on my giga board ( ud7 ) i cant seem to be stable or i need more volts, have not bothered to test

llc = load line calibration, lets vrms compensate for vdroop, host cases high/ ultra is good, extreme is never needed and will cause oyu lots of heat ( iirc asrock is backwards and uses a % ( 100% =0 ect )

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Ouch indeed, I'm 5.05 Stable at 1.56v

I can boot into Windows at 5.238 with 1.632v but it's no where near stable tongue.gif

I still gotta try talking myself into 1.7v.........

Its a leap of fate.. I can only use it as a gaming profile as the temps get out of control under full prolonged load with my current cooling. I need a better pump first but I also need more rads and maybe Ill have to get another case soon. Ugh the moneys the moneys.. Come on tax returns!

wait till the MC50x is out ( new swiftech pump ) they have not announced a price but they have stated it will be far less then current pumps ( the mc350x iirc
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