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Yes it does. Because windows 7 scheduler is not set up to take full advantage of how the Pilderiver module at architecture is designed. So it will use all the cores in a module before moving to the next module so it will use core 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7 in that order. And because two cores in a module share resources you get a performance penalty. So what the hot fixes do is change the scheduler so that it fills 1 core and then moves to the next module. So it will go core 0,2,4,6,1,3,5,7 instead. So for anything that uses less than all 8 threads you can see upwards of about 15% performance boost. However the improvement is less noticeable, around 3% when all the cores are under load. Make sense? I hope so wink.gif

Ah dam, i saw it yesterday when i installed SP1, but i don't see it anymore, i must've installed it when i installed SP1 i guess xD. Thanks for the tip tho! Idk how to check if i have the Hotkeys
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also as for the false claims you claim i already said that was my 3930k, and it is not that uncommon to run ~ 4.7 @ 1.4v if you knew those chips

as for the "lack of info in this thread" if you cant find it you can always ask as any regular knows ... well pretty much anything and will freely tell you, not like it is a gaurded secret, probably one of the most knowledgeable people being kya,

as for the "lack of ocing guides" if you cant find them then i dont know what to do to help you, one of the better ones is even linked in the OP

i cant seem to find it but i ment to quote it, for some reason it seems this newest beta of firefox wont carry quotes from previous pages, i had a wall of text lol.

anywho i would hold out till the h220x gonna be epic exp with the CFVz as the cpu block is a normal cpu block, i think it is gonna be alot better then the h220 however i would get at least that !
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Ya you still aren't getting it. We already know everything you think we should learn "as a group". This chip is not new, we've had 15 months to learn it, and we have. Honestly the new temp limit was the first new thing about these chips in this thread in months. We're well beyond any of that now, and you've completely missed the train on being a part of that.

Sorry, but what's this about a new temp limit?

I must have missed this somewhere.
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Yes it does. Because windows 7 scheduler is not set up to take full advantage of how the Pilderiver module at architecture is designed. So it will use all the cores in a module before moving to the next module so it will use core 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7 in that order. And because two cores in a module share resources you get a performance penalty. So what the hot fixes do is change the scheduler so that it fills 1 core and then moves to the next module. So it will go core 0,2,4,6,1,3,5,7 instead. So for anything that uses less than all 8 threads you can see upwards of about 15% performance boost. However the improvement is less noticeable, around 3% when all the cores are under load. Make sense? I hope so wink.gif

Ah dam, i saw it yesterday when i installed SP1, but i don't see it anymore, i must've installed it when i installed SP1 i guess xD. Thanks for the tip tho! Idk how to check if i have the Hotkeys
Just google Bulldozer windows 7 hotfixes or check in the OP because I think they are there. THEY DO NOT GET INSTALLED AUTOMATICALLY WHEN YOU INSTALL SP1. It is a manual update. I think it is manual so that people with Intel processors don't get screwy performance cause their scheduler automatically gets tuned for our processors. Although that would be hilarious. Imagine all the Intel fanboys crying when our Piledrivers eat their 4770's and 4930's (or whatever the IB-E chips are called) due to their schedulers being tuned for FX!biggrin.gif

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Ya you still aren't getting it. We already know everything you think we should learn "as a group". This chip is not new, we've had 15 months to learn it, and we have. Honestly the new temp limit was the first new thing about these chips in this thread in months. We're well beyond any of that now, and you've completely missed the train on being a part of that.

Sorry, but what's this about a new temp limit?

I must have missed this somewhere.
We discovered it a few days ago. The latest version of Overdrive displays core temperature as distance to TJ max. And based on that it seems that the new max temperature for our chips seems to be in the region of 70-75C
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Just google Bulldozer windows 7 hotfixes or check in the OP because I think they are there. THEY DO NOT GET INSTALLED AUTOMATICALLY WHEN YOU INSTALL SP1. It is a manual update. I think it is manual so that people with Intel processors don't get screwy performance cause their scheduler automatically gets tuned for our processors. Although that would be hilarious. Imagine all the Intel fanboys crying when our Piledrivers eat their 4770's and 4930's (or whatever the IB-E chips are called) due to their schedulers being tuned for FX!biggrin.gif
We discovered it a few days ago. The latest version of Overdrive displays core temperature as distance to TJ max. And based on that it seems that the new max temperature for our chips seems to be in the region of 70-75C

So the old recommendation was 62C core and 72C socket (or something like that).

Now it's basically 70C core, which would probably be 80C socket.

That's great, except that when I do ANY stress tests on my system at 5ghz with high vcore, my whole damn system shuts off eventually. Not sure why because I disabled all the temp protection in the BIOS. This thing still isn't stable even with 1.6v. I usually run it at 4.7ghz for this reason. Any stress testing at 5 triggers SOMETHING and I come back to a dead machine. I usually have to flip the power switch on the back and let the caps in the motherboard drain before switching it back on.

It's gaming stable at 5ghz with over 1.55v but I still can't figure out why I can't run stress tests.
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So the old recommendation was 62C core and 72C socket (or something like that).

Now it's basically 70C core, which would probably be 80C socket.

That's great, except that when I do ANY stress tests on my system at 5ghz with high vcore, my whole damn system shuts off eventually. Not sure why because I disabled all the temp protection in the BIOS. This thing still isn't stable even with 1.6v. I usually run it at 4.7ghz for this reason. Any stress testing at 5 triggers SOMETHING and I come back to a dead machine. I usually have to flip the power switch on the back and let the caps in the motherboard drain before switching it back on.

It's gaming stable at 5ghz with over 1.55v but I still can't figure out why I can't run stress tests.
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I need help. 2-3 days ago, I tweaked the overclock on my 8350 because it wasn't quite stable and bluescreened on me on occasion. I turned down the overclock a bit but left it at the same voltage. But at one point the fan on the GPU was screaming, and so were the others, so I check AMD overdrive and it was giving readings of around 16 degrees o.O . I realized something was seriously wrong, and went to reboot it. When rebooting, the splash screen for the motherboard had vertical yellow stripes over top. So... not good, I guess. Now the same thing happened again today. I turned down the voltage from .075 to .050, and it's at 4.5 Ghz now. It seems like I may have fried the temperature sensor on the chip a bit. It seems to work normally most times, but when it gets hot it underestimates temps severely. Is that what happened, or does anyone else have any other theories? Is this a software glitch in Overdrive? Oh, and one more thing. I used to think bluescreens happen because of not enough power to the CPU ( when it's the CPU that's the cause ). Am I wrong?


If you place your hand on the case can you feel a static feed back on it or bare metal chassis, it could possibly be that your system is having either a short or that crt you are using as a screen is giving some kind of electronic feed back. I have seen cases where one would use an older crt type of monitor with a vga adapter on a pci-e gpu and the crt had ended up sending some kind of static feedback to the gpu. Try a different type of monitor that crt is probably sending static to your system and is either damaging it or stunning it,
Static kills.
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speaking of stable I finally got more stable at 5.1 I need more cooling

1.72v oouch

Bright side cine 11.5 I now am at 8.9ish on the multi threaded Got my ram up to a full solid 2133 @ 8 8 8 20 timings

With more bearings than a noctua thumb.gif
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speaking of stable I finally got more stable at 5.1 I need more cooling

1.72v oouch

Bright side cine 11.5 I now am at 8.9ish on the multi threaded Got my ram up to a full solid 2133 @ 8 8 8 20 timings
I'm so jelly.

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So the old recommendation was 62C core and 72C socket (or something like that).

Now it's basically 70C core, which would probably be 80C socket.

That's great, except that when I do ANY stress tests on my system at 5ghz with high vcore, my whole damn system shuts off eventually. Not sure why because I disabled all the temp protection in the BIOS. This thing still isn't stable even with 1.6v. I usually run it at 4.7ghz for this reason. Any stress testing at 5 triggers SOMETHING and I come back to a dead machine. I usually have to flip the power switch on the back and let the caps in the motherboard drain before switching it back on.

It's gaming stable at 5ghz with over 1.55v but I still can't figure out why I can't run stress tests.
weirdsmiley.gif

The reason why is beacuse you dont have enough power for it on that 12v rail

http://www.legitreviews.com/asus-r9-290x-directcu-ii-sapphire-r9-290x-tri-x-video-card-reviews_132158/12


http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/11/06/amd-fx-8350-review/7


I would assume that at 5 ghz fx 8350 can easily consume 400 to 430 watts + then you have your gpu on idle 111 watts then add in all the rest of your components Its safe to assume you easily run out of power.
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