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11/11/12 at 12:02pm
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Personally, I have a H80 and I am using the stock fans with some Noctua NT-H1 and my temps aren't so awesome with just a Phenom II. IIRC, Mezmenir uses a Phanteks TC14PE and some Arctic Silver 5. This is normal that he has good temps.
The other thing is: From what the chart tells, you guys try too much CPU multi, "easy OC" and not enough "FSB & co." overclock. So in the end you need crazy voltage and are reaching temps wall + bottleneck. Overclock your FX like a locked CPU, and push the CPU multi beyond 14 after.

You misunderstand how Giga boards OC, but that's great advice for Asus boards. wink.gif
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11/11/12 at 12:14pm
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You misunderstand how Giga boards OC, but that's great advice for Asus boards. wink.gif

I, actually from my testing experience, believe that the best way to go about doing these on asus is, get multi as high as you can with as low as v as possible while stable, then inch up fsb & co while micro upping voltages across the board to maintain stability.

Starting on high fsb and low multi is just as bad if not worse for making a difficult to tune high oc that eats too much voltage to make it stable. (In my case it took 1.404v to do 4.5@245fsb when it took 1.356 to do 4.6@200fsb)
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11/11/12 at 12:50pm
Hey, no worries, Red1776.

I really appreciate the input. You've already got your Vishera rig up and running very nicely, and I just hope to benefit from your experience getting it working. Once again, thanks for taking the time to reply to my queries!
Edited by anubis44 - 11/11/12 at 6:06pm
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11/11/12 at 1:05pm
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You misunderstand how Giga boards OC, but that's great advice for Asus boards. wink.gif

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I, actually from my testing experience, believe that the best way to go about doing these on asus is, get multi as high as you can with as low as v as possible while stable, then inch up fsb & co while micro upping voltages across the board to maintain stability.
Starting on high fsb and low multi is just as bad if not worse for making a difficult to tune high oc that eats too much voltage to make it stable. (In my case it took 1.404v to do 4.5@245fsb when it took 1.356 to do 4.6@200fsb)

Not trying to start an arguement here by any means, just my two cents regarding boards. I think it depends more on the board and chip combination, not just a generalized "here's how ASUS works, or here's how Gigabyte works" kinda deal. From my own personal experiences, I've had boards boards from both manufacturers act way different. My Phenom did well at 300 FSB in a Gigabyte board, and an earlier ASUS board it was stuck at ~286. But the Crosshair can push the FSB on that same Phenom up to about 325.

My FX seems to deal better with high FSB than high multi, but the only gripe I have about high FSB is that touching any multipliers relates to even larger increases (or decreases) in clock speed versus one that uses a low reference clock.

On a side note, from testing. 2700 HT : 2400 NB outperforms 2400 matched on both in 3D tests in regards to times when both the CPU and GPU are heavily stressed.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4910543 (HT 2700, NB 2400)
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4910717 (HT 2400, NB 2400)

All other variables were left the same, the only change was the HT multi.
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11/11/12 at 1:09pm
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Not trying to start an arguement here by any means, just my two cents regarding boards. I think it depends more on the board and chip combination, not just a generalized "here's how ASUS works, or here's how Gigabyte works" kinda deal. From my own personal experiences, I've had boards boards from both manufacturers act way different. My Phenom did well at 300 FSB in a Gigabyte board, and an earlier ASUS board it was stuck at ~286. But the Crosshair can push the FSB on that same Phenom up to about 325.
My FX seems to deal better with high FSB than high multi, but the only gripe I have about high FSB is that touching any multipliers relates to even larger increases (or decreases) in clock speed versus one that uses a low reference clock.
On a side note, from testing. 2700 HT : 2400 NB outperforms 2400 matched on both in 3D tests in regards to times when both the CPU and GPU are heavily stressed.
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4910543 (HT 2700, NB 2400)
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4910717 (HT 2400, NB 2400)
All other variables were left the same, the only change was the HT multi.

When I said "doing these on asus is" ,I meant visheras on the 990fx asus boards, wasn't being general with all chips that are am3+. ;p

Don't worry I don't see it as an argument starter, just figured I would explain what I meant by "these on asus" boards. Quite frankly they all treat bd/pd different than they treat pII's, in so many ways, you just can't really compare what you managed on a pii to a vishera. (Absolutely different beasts in what fsb/nb/ht they will take, as well as the IMC acts differently, NB has less effect on vishera than it did on pII's, HT barely does anything to perf, and fsb is the only real slight perf gain you can push on these.)

3dmark is less of a realworld bench and more of an epeen bench imo, 100points or so difference isn't much to call great when it can cost stability to have it on a vishera.

Try 2200nb and 2600ht, may just get the same perf give or take a few points as your 2400/2700 bench. (tends to need less v anyway)

Also probably 100pages back now, I did post a bunch of benchmark comparisons between different fsb/nb/ht setups at the same rough 4.5ghz clock to check on perf differences on a sabertooth.
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11/11/12 at 1:09pm
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Hey, no worries. I really appreciate the input. You've already got your Vishera rig up and running very nicely, and I just hope to benefit from your experience getting it working. Once again, thanks for taking the time to reply to my queries!

Hey anubis, are they not available in CA yet?
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11/11/12 at 1:22pm
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When I said "doing these on asus is" ,I meant visheras on the 990fx asus boards, wasn't being general with all chips that are am3+. ;p
Don't worry I don't see it as an argument starter, just figured I would explain what I meant by "these on asus" boards. Quite frankly they all treat bd/pd different than they treat pII's, in so many ways, you just can't really compare what you managed on a pii to a vishera. (Absolutely different beasts in what fsb/nb/ht they will take, as well as the IMC acts differently, NB has less effect on vishera than it did on pII's, HT barely does anything to perf, and fsb is the only real slight perf gain you can push on these.)
3dmark is less of a realworld bench and more of an epeen bench imo, 100points or so difference isn't much to call great when it can cost stability to have it on a vishera.
Try 2200nb and 2600ht, may just get the same perf give or take a few points as your 2400/2700 bench. (tends to need less v anyway)

I know they are two very different chips thumb.gif I wasn't necessarily directly comparing the two but rather comparing a set of boards that I used with my Phenom. Three in total (sigh lol)- where each of them had very different ways of operating.

I know 3DMark isn't perfect, but there's a reason I used that one. Mainly- I got a chip with a broken factory seal like a guy earlier in the thread, and I was worried it might have terrible performance in some things. Seems to do well in folding and in 3DMark, so I'm thinking it's alright. Definitely bothered me a little, haha.

Also plan on trying other methods of benching, don't get me wrong biggrin.gif .. Though remember what I said about the clock multiplier steps being much larger with a high FSB? I don't have a HT 2600 nor NB 2200. Though I do know that overclocking the NB is pretty useless, I just didn't want to underclock it, and the next step down was 2100. Same idea with HT. Didn't want to downclock, so the slight OC is alright in my book. I do plan on using 4 DIMMs with this chip though, the next two are on the way as we speak biggrin.gif This fact may influence my NB clock/voltage a lot- and possibly FSB, depending on if I can stabilize it or not.

Edit: Over 3DMark, I wasn't going by the generalized system score, it was the combined score that seemed to be influenced by higher HT clocks. Will test with other stuff too.
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11/11/12 at 1:24pm
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You misunderstand how Giga boards OC, but that's great advice for Asus boards. wink.gif

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I, actually from my testing experience, believe that the best way to go about doing these on asus is, get multi as high as you can with as low as v as possible while stable, then inch up fsb & co while micro upping voltages across the board to maintain stability.
Starting on high fsb and low multi is just as bad if not worse for making a difficult to tune high oc that eats too much voltage to make it stable. (In my case it took 1.404v to do 4.5@245fsb when it took 1.356 to do 4.6@200fsb)

Not trying to start an arguement here by any means, just my two cents regarding boards. I think it depends more on the board and chip combination, not just a generalized "here's how ASUS works, or here's how Gigabyte works" kinda deal. From my own personal experiences, I've had boards boards from both manufacturers act way different. My Phenom did well at 300 FSB in a Gigabyte board, and an earlier ASUS board it was stuck at ~286. But the Crosshair can push the FSB on that same Phenom up to about 325.

My FX seems to deal better with high FSB than high multi, but the only gripe I have about high FSB is that touching any multipliers relates to even larger increases (or decreases) in clock speed versus one that uses a low reference clock.

On a side note, from testing. 2700 HT : 2400 NB outperforms 2400 matched on both in 3D tests in regards to times when both the CPU and GPU are heavily stressed.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4910543 (HT 2700, NB 2400)
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4910717 (HT 2400, NB 2400)

All other variables were left the same, the only change was the HT multi.

Regardless of how the chip handles it, the BIOS of the board matters even more. Current Giga BIOSs do not like FSB overclocking, while some time recently, ASUS boards did not like a multi over 23.5. When you start recognizing a pattern based on BIOS and board vendor, it isn't a chip problem any more.

We've been keeping track of this from day one. That's just how the boards and their respective BIOSs are.

EDIT: Note that this is for Piledriver, not Deneb/Thuban. Big difference.
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I know they are two very different chips thumb.gif I wasn't necessarily directly comparing the two but rather comparing a set of boards that I used with my Phenom. Three in total (sigh lol)- where each of them had very different ways of operating.
I know 3DMark isn't perfect, but there's a reason I used that one. Mainly- I got a chip with a broken factory seal like a guy earlier in the thread, and I was worried it might have terrible performance in some things. Seems to do well in folding and in 3DMark, so I'm thinking it's alright. Definitely bothered me a little, haha.
Also plan on trying other methods of benching, don't get me wrong biggrin.gif .. Though remember what I said about the clock multiplier steps being much larger with a high FSB? I don't have a HT 2600 nor NB 2200. Though I do know that overclocking the NB is pretty useless, I just didn't want to underclock it, and the next step down was 2100. Same idea with HT. Didn't want to downclock, so the slight OC is alright in my book. I do plan on using 4 DIMMs with this chip though, the next two are on the way as we speak biggrin.gif This fact may influence my NB clock/voltage a lot- and possibly FSB, depending on if I can stabilize it or not.

I found 2160 which is the step down for me on 245? Was one of them anyway, performed the same as 2200 anyway, 2100 likely won't be a big hit in perf if it isn't virtually identical. Also I did all my tests with 4 sticks, except 1test to show that 2 sticks performed no better than 4.
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I know they are two very different chips thumb.gif I wasn't necessarily directly comparing the two but rather comparing a set of boards that I used with my Phenom. Three in total (sigh lol)- where each of them had very different ways of operating.
I know 3DMark isn't perfect, but there's a reason I used that one. Mainly- I got a chip with a broken factory seal like a guy earlier in the thread, and I was worried it might have terrible performance in some things. Seems to do well in folding and in 3DMark, so I'm thinking it's alright. Definitely bothered me a little, haha.
Also plan on trying other methods of benching, don't get me wrong biggrin.gif .. Though remember what I said about the clock multiplier steps being much larger with a high FSB? I don't have a HT 2600 nor NB 2200. Though I do know that overclocking the NB is pretty useless, I just didn't want to underclock it, and the next step down was 2100. Same idea with HT. Didn't want to downclock, so the slight OC is alright in my book. I do plan on using 4 DIMMs with this chip though, the next two are on the way as we speak biggrin.gif This fact may influence my NB clock/voltage a lot- and possibly FSB, depending on if I can stabilize it or not.

I found 2160 which is the step down for me on 245? Was one of them anyway, performed the same as 2200 anyway, 2100 likely won't be a big hit in perf if it isn't virtually identical. Also I did all my tests with 4 sticks, except 1test to show that 2 sticks performed no better than 4.

Yes, and thank you for that. A lot of people get hung up on this outdated idea that more ram (slots) hurts things.
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