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I don't know if I should even mention this but..............I dual boot between Windows 7 Pro (which I paid for) and a "pirated" version of Ultimate (mostly just for testing). I hate to say it but the "pirated" version is often MUCH more stable. Why?
I can play Skyrim for hours on the "pirated" version but on my "legit" version, using a "legit" copy of Skyrim, playing through Steam, after about 2 hours or so, the DM crashes or the nVidia driver crashes. Never have figured that one out.
I don't OC my 8350 that much.....4.3Ghz. Any higher that 4.4 and I have to start fiddling with voltages and then I have heat issues. I have a Corsair H80i and crank the fan up to 100% and use EVGA PrecisionX to crack up the GPU fan speed to 80%. I'm happy at 4.3...............
Why the difference between a bought-and-paid-for, LEGIT version and a "pirated" version? And, yes, before anybody says anything, I go through services.msc and turn off ANYTHING that looks like it will allow remote access. Hell, I do that with the M$ versions I have bought.

Actually, the MOST stable MS OS I have ever used was, again, a "pirated" version of Windows Server 2008 R2.

Just my $1.25.........(2 cents isn't worth what it used to be)
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MegaMan... believe me... I turn off permissions as much as I can... I just hate that it even tries to deny me permission to do something to my own pc under the only account on it.... lol
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I don't know if I should even mention this but..............I dual boot between Windows 7 Pro (which I paid for) and a "pirated" version of Ultimate (mostly just for testing). I hate to say it but the "pirated" version is often MUCH more stable. Why?
I can play Skyrim for hours on the "pirated" version but on my "legit" version, using a "legit" copy of Skyrim, playing through Steam, after about 2 hours or so, the DM crashes or the nVidia driver crashes. Never have figured that one out.
I don't OC my 8350 that much.....4.3Ghz. Any higher that 4.4 and I have to start fiddling with voltages and then I have heat issues. I have a Corsair H80i and crank the fan up to 100% and use EVGA PrecisionX to crack up the GPU fan speed to 80%. I'm happy at 4.3...............
Why the difference between a bought-and-paid-for, LEGIT version and a "pirated" version? And, yes, before anybody says anything, I go through services.msc and turn off ANYTHING that looks like it will allow remote access. Hell, I do that with the M$ versions I have bought.

Actually, the MOST stable MS OS I have ever used was, again, a "pirated" version of Windows Server 2008 R2.

Just my $1.25.........(2 cents isn't worth what it used to be)

32 bit vs 64 bit os?
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64 bit.............with 32GB of Vengeance RAM. EVGA GTX 550Ti graphics card.
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64 bit.............with 32GB of Vengeance RAM. EVGA GTX 550Ti graphics card.

rip both into ISOs and then Disassemble them.

Ultimate doesn't have much more then windows pro.

reason for suggesting this is....

most pirated versions are modified to some extent. be it better tools to replace MS's lack luster ones (windows media vs VLC etc.)
trimmed processes and registry

so depending on your point of view, they are not pirated. They are modified.

you generally need another program to crack the WAT in some way (don't ask i don't know)

My reasoning for this, modified ISOs can still be activated as a legit copy of windows with a legit key. Keys are tied to the OS class not necessarily what you get with the OS.

I'm running a slightly trimmed Ultimate, and i've managed to trim some computers @ work with pro to run just as smooth and less bloaty.

stock configuration of Pro vs Ultimate, they run pretty much identically. enterprise extras were allowed to be turned on in ultimate(don't really recall what exactly) but for the most part they really didn't impact performance (work testing not game testing. audio and cad work mainly) and if it did it wasn't in a noticeable way
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64 bit.............with 32GB of Vengeance RAM. EVGA GTX 550Ti graphics card.

rip both into ISOs and then Disassemble them.

Ultimate doesn't have much more then windows pro.

reason for suggesting this is....

most pirated versions are modified to some extent. be it better tools to replace MS's lack luster ones (windows media vs VLC etc.)
trimmed processes and registry

so depending on your point of view, they are not pirated. They are modified.

you generally need another program to crack the WAT in some way (don't ask i don't know)

My reasoning for this, modified ISOs can still be activated as a legit copy of windows with a legit key. Keys are tied to the OS class not necessarily what you get with the OS.

I'm running a slightly trimmed Ultimate, and i've managed to trim some computers @ work with pro to run just as smooth and less bloaty.

stock configuration of Pro vs Ultimate, they run pretty much identically. enterprise extras were allowed to be turned on in ultimate(don't really recall what exactly) but for the most part they really didn't impact performance (work testing not game testing. audio and cad work mainly) and if it did it wasn't in a noticeable way

Correct about the modification, wrong about the implementation.

Every single Windows 7 CD, be it Basic, Home Premium, Pro, Ultimate or Enterprise is exactly the same. One ISO for everything, by default. The key you use enables certain features, relevant to the version you use. That's why you can "upgrade" at any time without reinstalling. OEM disks require OEM keys, but any version of OEM key will do.

As a result, when you compare the ISOs, any differences you see in the modified one are just that; modifications.

Windows 7 ISOs can be downloaded for free legally, it's the key that is up to you to pay for. You can also get the AIK tool to modify your ISO and streamline drivers so everything is prepped for install. This is a Microsoft-made tool mainly used for bulk installs, such as computer labs or offices, but people use it to strip down the OS to just what they won't, add basic programs etc. Again, this is all legit, but you still need a key.

Here's a comparison of Win7 features based on version:
http://winsupersite.com/article/windows-7/windows-7-product-editions-a-comparison-128684

If you don't understand what the things Enterprise gets do, you don't need them. Ultimate is the "non-bulk" version of Enterprise. Enterprise must either be bought in bulk licences, or have Technet/MSDN.

Source: Me, but I have Technet and working with/understanding windows is pretty much what I do, aside from the hardware itself and networking.
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Correct about the modification, wrong about the implementation.

Every single Windows 7 CD, be it Basic, Home Premium, Pro, Ultimate or Enterprise is exactly the same. One ISO for everything, by default. The key you use enables certain features, relevant to the version you use. That's why you can "upgrade" at any time without reinstalling. OEM disks require OEM keys, but any version of OEM key will do.

As a result, when you compare the ISOs, any differences you see in the modified one are just that; modifications.

Windows 7 ISOs can be downloaded for free legally, it's the key that is up to you to pay for. You can also get the AIK tool to modify your ISO and streamline drivers so everything is prepped for install. This is a Microsoft-made tool mainly used for bulk installs, such as computer labs or offices, but people use it to strip down the OS to just what they won't, add basic programs etc. Again, this is all legit, but you still need a key.

Here's a comparison of Win7 features based on version:
http://winsupersite.com/article/windows-7/windows-7-product-editions-a-comparison-128684

If you don't understand what the things Enterprise gets do, you don't need them. Ultimate is the "non-bulk" version of Enterprise. Enterprise must either be bought in bulk licences, or have Technet/MSDN.

Source: Me, but I have Technet and working with/understanding windows is pretty much what I do, aside from the hardware itself and networking.

thanks for the clarification.

ya i know i don't need ultimate its just what was available with an available key (from a friend at a significantly reduced price lol, case of beer if i recall..)

i wonder if the tolken foundation can work around any copy right to work in one ring to rule them all.. one iso to rule them all... (damn it i need more coffee brain still not working right)

as for the upgrade feature, i've never actually had to use it. they computers are so virus ridden i nuke em for awhile and start fresh, at work anyway, (@ home i went from xp pro -> 7 ultimate on a clean install)

the purpose of the post was to point out "pirated"/modified ISO's can run better then stock ISO.
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Correct about the modification, wrong about the implementation.

Every single Windows 7 CD, be it Basic, Home Premium, Pro, Ultimate or Enterprise is exactly the same. One ISO for everything, by default. The key you use enables certain features, relevant to the version you use. That's why you can "upgrade" at any time without reinstalling. OEM disks require OEM keys, but any version of OEM key will do.

As a result, when you compare the ISOs, any differences you see in the modified one are just that; modifications.

Windows 7 ISOs can be downloaded for free legally, it's the key that is up to you to pay for. You can also get the AIK tool to modify your ISO and streamline drivers so everything is prepped for install. This is a Microsoft-made tool mainly used for bulk installs, such as computer labs or offices, but people use it to strip down the OS to just what they won't, add basic programs etc. Again, this is all legit, but you still need a key.

Here's a comparison of Win7 features based on version:
http://winsupersite.com/article/windows-7/windows-7-product-editions-a-comparison-128684

If you don't understand what the things Enterprise gets do, you don't need them. Ultimate is the "non-bulk" version of Enterprise. Enterprise must either be bought in bulk licences, or have Technet/MSDN.

Source: Me, but I have Technet and working with/understanding windows is pretty much what I do, aside from the hardware itself and networking.

thanks for the clarification.

ya i know i don't need ultimate its just what was available with an available key (from a friend at a significantly reduced price lol, case of beer if i recall..)

i wonder if the tolken foundation can work around any copy right to work in one ring to rule them all.. one iso to rule them all... (damn it i need more coffee brain still not working right)

as for the upgrade feature, i've never actually had to use it. they computers are so virus ridden i nuke em for awhile and start fresh, at work anyway, (@ home i went from xp pro -> 7 ultimate on a clean install)

the purpose of the post was to point out "pirated"/modified ISO's can run better then stock ISO.

Ya, lot of people don't really know the Windows "boundaries", as for what's ok and what isn't. For the record, Windows 8 and 8.1 are the same way, but Enterprise gets some way cooler things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_8_editions#Comparison_chart

RemoteFX, and WindowsToGo. wubsmiley.gif

WindowsToGo is self explanatory, but RemoteFX isn't... RemoteFX is the ability to use GPU acceleration for RemoteDesktop. Like Shadowplay kinda. It can also split your GPU up and give a part of it's resources to VMs run in Hyper-V. It makes both VMs and RD buttery smooth. biggrin.gif


Yay, new pic now that I have my G.Skill back. wheee.gif Also got CPU/NB to 2400, so there's that.
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Ya, lot of people don't really know the Windows "boundaries", as for what's ok and what isn't. For the record, Windows 8 and 8.1 are the same way, but Enterprise gets some way cooler things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_8_editions#Comparison_chart

RemoteFX, and WindowsToGo. wubsmiley.gif

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Yay, new pic now that I have my G.Skill back. wheee.gif Also got CPU/NB to 2400, so there's that.

I'm not the biggest fan of w8/8.1 not really a fan at all.

does some have some stuff i like but i just feel they missed the mark and went too far with metro.

having a stock start button (i know i can't download one but it should really be there) and allow default booting onto desktop and allow metro to be an app launcher on the desktop to launch you into metro.

having that said i like what 8.1 did for metro but i still feel like its being shoved down my throat by default.

I like 2012r2 server more then 8 but it is essentially the same with less fluff.

I was eyeing remoteFX would be nice at work
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I watched the WAN show from Linus Tech Tips yesterday and he was predicting that in the future there would be I-Cars and I-Homes from Apple, yes your home would be delivered in sections on a flat bed and slapped together and presto, everything is working together and using your I-Phone you could do everything from open the garage door to flush the toilet. Cool right.

I only have one concern about this, SECURITY, doesn't all most every house have Windows. biggrin.gif
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