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Because I have nothing better to do I think I am going to RMA to Newegg and hope they send me a chip that runs on lower voltage. I could get a worse one but I could get a better one. It is a gamble I am willing to take.
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Because I have nothing better to do I think I am going to RMA to Newegg and hope they send me a chip that runs on lower voltage. I could get a worse one but I could get a better one. It is a gamble I am willing to take.

/me looks at the OP

You look to be about middle (maybe a tad high) of the road for 4.6 actually, unless something changed. Good luck with your 2nd ticket in the CPU lottery.
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probably as much a gauge of owner honesty as anything.wink.gif

I'm hoping so!! tongue.gif
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@ Wolvers - have you tried any of the new BIOS's to see if that helps? I see there is another new one today too, 1201 smile.gif

I haven't, no. Still on 906. I was thinking exactly the same thing last night actually. That's now tonights job. thumb.gif
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I've been playing PS 2 for 4-5 hours a day for several days now without shutting off my computer, .

Is it really CPU intensive, like bf3? I need to find some games like that to check stability, without getting really bored! sleepysmileyanim.gif
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/me looks at the OP
You look to be about middle (maybe a tad high) of the road for 4.6 actually, unless something changed. Good luck with your 2nd ticket in the CPU lottery.
I will have to edit the OP. I'm barely stable at 4.5 now on the same voltage.

To stay under 62c during IBT I have to go down to 4.4 @ 1.45v.
Edited by stickg1 - 11/14/12 at 5:47am
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I have been following along since the thread took a turn into memory scaling and not sure what to make of it yet. I have a lot more I am going to run bench/program wise, but for example in the case of a bench like Wprime 2.09 and Handbrake the best results were with the fastest memory (in this case Mushkin Redline 2133) the NB and HT don't need to be hyperclocked. I have mine at 2400 and 2600 respectively. needless to say some of these scenarios that I am reading are a bit perplexing. I reviewed the Trinity APU's (A10-5800) and A8-5700) and the L3-less counterparts scaled tremendously
That was the long way of saying I don't know why some folks are getting negative scaling. I have seen some posts with people cranking up the frequency, but with very loose timings. A friend of mine found that on a reset of the system his BIOS defaulted to T2 rather than T1 so there are a lot of unknowns here. Time to put together a comprehensive spreadsheet i guess.

The Trinity results (L3-less Piledriver) are very interesting. It would imply that the L3 cache on Vishera could be a bottleneck of sorts, under certain conditions. Given the server-oriented origins of Bulldozer/Piledriver, I would be curious to read an article about the quirks/benefits of the L3 to the Piledriver architecture. Comparing a Trinity at the same clock rate as Vishera in a cross section of applications (games/transcoding/integer, etc.) would be a starting point.

Since floating point performance is unaffected by L3 cache (as we saw with the Athlon II vs. Phenom II and some Intel archetectures), it would be interesting to speculate about the ideal cache structure for Piledriver, and whether the current L3 is it for gaming/desktop use.
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I thought MSI boards were in the group of not liking the FSB to be played with on vishera...
crank down the FSB to 200 and use a multi overclock and see if you can get better OC with better volts... 4.5 should be possible with ~1.3625v or so (that is what i have setup right now) depending on how well binned your chip was

same results if i did lower.. and I know its not the FSB as I was running 234 with my thuban

I agree with you Kyad. im just hitting some unknown force everything tells me I should buy a bigger power supply however i thought 850w would be good..

heres what I have in my system

CPU 8350
2 HDD
1 SSD
2 460's
about 10 fans
1866 ram 2 sticks

am i pushing my limit?

one wierd thing that i did notice is that I set my FSB higher (can't remember right now) and my multi to 23. I was able to boot into windows at 5Ghz however running anything that used more than 2 cores failed. another thing that my voltage read as 13.xx v

I most likely can recreat it however I don't think this is vdroop as this issue only starts happening as my volts go up high..

dont think I have a bad binned chip as it was rock solid at 5ghz.. something else is making it unstable
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Heres an idea for you
http://m.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328-11.html

F3ERS 2 ASH3S, I'd be interested to know what you think about your MSI 990FXA-GD65V2 motherboard. My 8350 is being shipped as we speak, and I still haven't made a final decision about the right motherboard for it. I want to overclock it using a good closed-loop system or possibly an easy do-it-yourself custom water system (as I've never built one before). Most important considerations for me are:

-stability/reliability
-adequate cooling of VRMs/northbridge
-adequate spacing between x16 PCI-E slots for 2 graphics cards (I'm just not going to go past 2 given the lack of scaling I see)
-reasonable price - (I'll pay more for genuine benefits for the above characteristics, but I'm not interested in paying top dollar for e-peen cred. - eg. I don't need an Asus Formula X Maximus Imperial Republic of Gaming Death Star motherboard for $300 because it has glow-in-the-dark reset button right on the motherboard for overclocking on cryogenic-grade liquid nitrogen. Excellent VRM/northbridge temps and top performance on water with a small, non-illuminated reset button will do me just fine! I want performance, not glam)

My current choice is ending up as the Gigabyte 990FX-UD7, but before I pull the trigger on that board, I just wanted to hear from a current MSI user running a Vishera chip so as to leave no stone unturned. Also, if you could put your finger on your northbridge chip after the machine has been on for a while and tell me whether you fear receiving 2nd degree burns, I'd really appreciate it. The Gigabyte 990FX-UD3 I tried gave me that fear.

Thanks! Really appreciate it!
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Anubis, I'd put the MSI 990FXA GD-80 up against any board out there. The only thing it lacks is LLC , which bothers some people. The chip is going to need whatever voltage it needs to run at a certain speed, if you use LLC to up the volts at load or if you simply compensate by upping the voltage otherwise , to counter Vdroop it really doesn't matter when at load. You will run higher volts at idle, but without a load I don't see that as a huge deal because very little heat is being generated. As for the 65, some reviews have it giving the same clocks as the Crosshair V Formula - didnt find a review vs the Giga 7 though.
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F3ERS 2 ASH3S, I'd be interested to know what you think about your MSI 990FXA-GD65V2 motherboard. My 8350 is being shipped as we speak, and I still haven't made a final decision about the right motherboard for it. I want to overclock it using a good closed-loop system or possibly an easy do-it-yourself custom water system (as I've never built one before). Most important considerations for me are:
-stability/reliability
-adequate cooling of VRMs/northbridge
-adequate spacing between x16 PCI-E slots for 2 graphics cards (I'm just not going to go past 2 given the lack of scaling I see)
-reasonable price - (I'll pay more for genuine benefits for the above characteristics, but I'm not interested in paying top dollar for e-peen cred. - eg. I don't need an Asus Formula X Maximus Imperial Republic of Gaming Death Star motherboard for $300 because it has glow-in-the-dark reset button right on the motherboard for overclocking on cryogenic-grade liquid nitrogen. Excellent VRM/northbridge temps and top performance on water with a small, non-illuminated reset button will do me just fine! I want performance, not glam)
My current choice is ending up as the Gigabyte 990FX-UD7, but before I pull the trigger on that board, I just wanted to hear from a current MSI user running a Vishera chip so as to leave no stone unturned. Also, if you could put your finger on your northbridge chip after the machine has been on for a while and tell me whether you fear receiving 2nd degree burns, I'd really appreciate it. The Gigabyte 990FX-UD3 I tried gave me that fear.
Thanks! Really appreciate it!

I love it.. however I currently am having issues with a stability but I don't think that its based on the board.. The BIOS is decent with a lot of options

The only downfall is that in order to make sure you don't loose your oc if you have a bad oc and it wont post is you have to back it up to a usb.. other than that I haven't had any issues.. at least that I have narrowed down.. Tonight Im going to test a few things to see if I am at a psu issue.

The northbridge gets warm but not blazing hot.. if you leave your finger on it you get the feeling of hey you should take it off but nothing like actually getting burns... however the hs are held on by screws and no the cheapy plastic clips. so if you interesed the after make stuff looks appealing..

I have to say at this point i am satisfied with it..

-stability/reliability
~Seems to do great so far once a solid oc is hit it doesn't have issues no Vdroop

-adequate cooling of VRMs/northbridge
~VRMS stay cool NB a bit warm but nothing scary

-adequate spacing between x16 PCI-E slots for 2 graphics cards
~yes plenty of room I have SLI 460's and the convieniently placed a pcie 1x inbetween
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Anubis, I'd put the MSI 990FXA GD-80 up against any board out there. The only thing it lacks is LLC , which bothers some people. The chip is going to need whatever voltage it needs to run at a certain speed, if you use LLC to up the volts at load or if you simply compensate by upping the voltage otherwise , to counter Vdroop it really doesn't matter when at load. You will run higher volts at idle, but without a load I don't see that as a huge deal because very little heat is being generated. As for the 65, some reviews have it giving the same clocks as the Crosshair V Formula - didnt find a review vs the Giga 7 though.
^I looked at reviews with the same regards and thats why i bought it

the gd65 doesn't have LLC but I have noticed that the actual voltage options adjust for the .03 that gets lost.. and as far as Vdroop I haven't seen anything more than the .03

Kepp in mind I had another post that im having issues running stable but i think its the PSU after thinking about it...

so far this board is solid and keeps cool NB is really the only think that seems to get any sort of heat. even the VRMs seem to remain cool..

Clocking the GD65 is interesting in itself compared the the M5A88v-evo I had biggest downfall and I reapeat is that if you have a failed oc it rocoveres 10% of the time, you normally have to clear cmos and start again.. but if you are smart and save your OC profile to USB then you are golden
Edited by F3ERS 2 ASH3S - 11/14/12 at 8:25am
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I think 850W would be enough for that set-up but i could be wrong with vishera in there. I have a 750W PSU with the same exact setup as you have until i upgraded. i had two 460's in SLI, 3 HDD's, 1 SSD, many fans, two DVD drives, and my 955BE overclocked to 4.1Ghz and everything ran perfectly stable.

now i know i had a 955 where you have a vishera 8-core but you also have 100w more so I really wouldn't see your PSU being underpowered unless you simply have an inefficient or dying PSU
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