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My experience with my Giga boards was mostly bios related. All of the boards bios seem unpolished as if they were hurried to market. Certain things either don't function or you have to find workarounds to make it go. Lots of different problems with every single Gigaboard I've tried. The worst in my experience were the UD3s. I sent those back. Admittedly my 1.1 board was much better than my 1.0 but it wouldn't perform well as far bus and ram overclocking. Vrms were cool and all that but it just wouldn't overclock like the Asus boards do. The exact same hardware in my Asus boards just flies.

Now mind you this is just my own experience with the Gigaboards and my own personal opinions.


Okay so its your opinion than. I owned the Gigabyte 990FXA UD3 rev 1.1 and was performing very good but the VRM were getting too hot at higher clock speeds and could not cope with this 8350 beast.

Its an well known issue of the UD3, you can look it up in the gigabyte thread and read through it and see there are lots of people having VRM heat issues.

I sold my UD3 and bought myself an UD5 rev 1.1 and never had problems again. Maybe you were doing something wrong? I mean i assume overclocking is way different on Gigabyte boards compare to Asus. For example, you have CPU PLL and pci-e PLL voltage and it can gain some stability, i can't speak for everyone but to me it gained in stability and it reduces heat a little.
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As for Intel CPU's, they need a lot less voltage at higher clock speeds than the AMD FX does, so i assume they produce a lot less heat than AMD on the same cooler because more power drawl = more heat:
I have to disagree with that I run both FX and a 4770k 4.8 on the 4770 is 1.55v and my 9370 is 1.43v. On the same colling I can run much higher clock with the FX the intel just gets too hot and my cooling can't handle it.
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I have an Extreme9. It looks real nice but it's very cheaply made. Mine is sitting on the floor in a corner of the room. I'm going to try to repair it one day. It blew the vrms while trying to run an FX-8350 in it. You should have heard the loud pop it made when it blew. It took out the processor when it blew up too. Use these boards with caution.
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My asrock extreme 9 blew the vrm with the 8320 along with my ram. Nothing like the metallic burning smell of a vrm. Went to the crosshair v formula. It cools better and clocks my 8350 very well to 4.85 ghz.

These are the first reports I've heard of that happening since not a lot of people own the board. Could you tell me what voltage and clocks you were running when they blew? I definitely would like to know just how far either of you pushed the board before it happened. I definitely take your word for it happening and the reason the rig in in my sig is nicknamed the jerryrig is because it doesn't look all that nice since I have fans ziptied all over the place to keep all parts of the mobo as cool as possible sacrificing the (albeit common) red and black style it has in an attempt to run the highest clocks I can out of it. So I'd definitely like to hear more of what you guys have to say about the circumstances about your VRMs frying to avoid it myself and add more to the wealth of information we have here ( with this board in particular there is not much at all.) If I had to say is the Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z board is definitely going to be superior but at the same time it cost $100 more. When it comes to electronics you get what you pay for hehe. Anyway, I would be very grateful for some follow up information.


Edit: I'd definitely like to know what the LLC was as well.
Edited by Moonless - 4/5/14 at 1:26pm
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I have to disagree with that I run both FX and a 4770k 4.8 on the 4770 is 1.55v and my 9370 is 1.43v. On the same colling I can run much higher clock with the FX the intel just gets too hot and my cooling can't handle it.

hmm okay, well it depends on the CPU as well because some can get much higher clock speeds than others can. Its all about the binning but i think AMD produces more heat than Intel.
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The AMD will run with more voltage so I guess that's more heat. I guess the Intel is just more sensitive to the heat. At higher voltages once it reaches a certain temp it just gets unstable even though it's within "paramaters". I've had the FX up to 1.8 and they still kepp going as long as they're under 70
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hmm okay, well it depends on the CPU as well because some can get much higher clock speeds than others can. Its all about the binning but i think AMD produces more heat than Intel.

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The AMD will run with more voltage so I guess that's more heat. I guess the Intel is just more sensitive to the heat. At higher voltages once it reaches a certain temp it just gets unstable even though it's within "paramaters". I've had the FX up to 1.8 and they still kepp going as long as they're under 70

I did a bit of reading on each architecture and whew, the FX is a true 8 core with 4 pipelines. That's the reason it is detected as 4 cores.. Intel on the other hand (4770k for example) is a 4 core with 4 pipelines that has hyperthreading. Thus a 4 core 8 threads.

The way hyperthreading works is that a core can carry 2 or more instructions per clock. That is due to them having more transistors per core than the FX using 22nm tech.

AMD, having 8 cores with 4 shared pipelines is having difficulty in processing simultaneous instructions as the pipelines get saturated with the instructions. Which requires a core per pipeline to be parked waiting til the other core has done processing it's instruction.

Those knowledgeable enough blamed Windows scheduler for the FX's underperformance and even did their own tweaks to show such crippling against AMD FX.

These were my interpretations of topic based on the accounts which can be seen online.

As for the heat, I think intels would produce comparable heat output to the FX due to them having more transistors that require more current. Even with lesser Voltage. Also, TIM on the haswells and Ivys were known to be crap. If you have one, delid..

One advantage of Intel though is the heat ceiling. That's 20 degrees more to the FX. Still, ivy and haswell overclockers can barely break 4.8GHz. But then again, they are still way better than the FX IPC-wise.

Correct me guys if I'm wrong..
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@Moonless, I was running mine at 4600MHz 1.44vcore. LLC at 25%. Ram at 1866 1.5v 9-10-9-28-38 1T. The processor was cooled by an H220. In IBT after 50 runs the chip never went over 50°C Load. NB temps also hovered around 50°C Load. Ambient temps were at ~20°C. I had a fan on the vrm heat sink at all times.

After playing BF3 for about an hour the rig went up in smoke. The resistors under vrm heat sink exploded. They actually had holes in them and the processor was dead. Thank God that's all it took out.

Edit: Oh yeah, I only had the motherboard for a month when this happened.
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I did a bit of reading on each architecture and whew, the FX is a true 8 core with 4 pipelines. That's the reason it is detected as 4 cores.. Intel on the other hand (4770k for example) is a 4 core with 4 pipelines that has hyperthreading. Thus a 4 core 8 threads.

The way hyperthreading works is that a core can carry 2 or more instructions per clock. That is due to them having more transistors per core than the FX using 22nm tech.

AMD, having 8 cores with 4 shared pipelines is having difficulty in processing simultaneous instructions as the pipelines get saturated with the instructions. Which requires a core per pipeline to be parked waiting til the other core has done processing it's instruction.

Those knowledgeable enough blamed Windows scheduler for the FX's underperformance and even did their own tweaks to show such crippling against AMD FX.

These were my interpretations of topic based on the accounts which can be seen online.

As for the heat, I think intels would produce comparable heat output to the FX due to them having more transistors that require more current. Even with lesser Voltage. Also, TIM on the haswells and Ivys were known to be crap. If you have one, delid..

One advantage of Intel though is the heat ceiling. That's 20 degrees more to the FX. Still, ivy and haswell overclockers can barely break 4.8GHz. But then again, they are still way better than the FX IPC-wise.

Correct me guys if I'm wrong..

Yep that about sums it up I have only found a few benches that i can actullay compete with the 4770k UCBench just takes it out and so does HWBot prime other than that I have 1 3D bench that does better. That's Catzilla but I had to run at 5.4 vs 4.8
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Okay so its your opinion than. I owned the Gigabyte 990FXA UD3 rev 1.1 and was performing very good but the VRM were getting too hot at higher clock speeds and could not cope with this 8350 beast.

Its an well known issue of the UD3, you can look it up in the gigabyte thread and read through it and see there are lots of people having VRM heat issues.

I sold my UD3 and bought myself an UD5 rev 1.1 and never had problems again. Maybe you were doing something wrong? I mean i assume overclocking is way different on Gigabyte boards compare to Asus. For example, you have CPU PLL and pci-e PLL voltage and it can gain some stability, i can't speak for everyone but to me it gained in stability and it reduces heat a little.


No Hurricane....................I wasn't doing anything wrong.
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No Hurricane....................I wasn't doing anything wrong.
OK so you mean the Giga not the CHV_Z
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