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anyone else see the new egg shell shocker today ?

Mother of!!! A 9590 for the price of an 8320 from where I'm from!!!
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it isnt even a shell shocker price ironically you can buy it for that right now
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umm why wait ? i know what they pull, but apparently you dont

that is where he mentioned ocing


He specifically mentioned CPU overclocking, NOT GPU. And it seems that ,no, we can't just judge a card from the connectors any longer, haven't you seen what happened with R9 295X2?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-295x2-review-benchmark-performance,3799-2.html

"Notice the two eight-pin power plugs? A lot of folks were speculating that AMD would use three of those. AMD is coy about the 295X2’s maximum power, but claims it averages around 500 W under load. We’ll give you a definitive answer on consumption in the following pages. However, let’s use 500 W as a nice, round figure. The PCI-SIG electromechanical specification rates a 16-lane PCI Express slot for up to 75 W. A six-pin auxiliary connector is rated for the same 75 W. And you get 150 W from an eight-pin connector. Two of those eight-pin plugs plus a motherboard slot should add up to 375 W, leaving us about 125 W short of our target."

According to AMD, that’s not a problem. Representatives from the PCI-SIG declined comment, but AMD says:

"The PCI spec was created as a guideline for wide compatibility and thermal density within a two-slot form factor. The 295X2 is about pushing performance, not wide compatibility, and as a result requires carefully-chosen infrastructure by DIYers. This selection criteria for PSUs and cases…will appear on amd.com after launch. When it comes to PSUs, the 295X2 will separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. The best PSUs will use low-gauge wiring and high-output MOSFETs...”
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umm why wait ? i know what they pull, but apparently you dont

that is where he mentioned ocing


He specifically mentioned CPU overclocking, NOT GPU. And it seems that ,no, we can't just judge a card from the connectors any longer, haven't you seen what happened with R9 295X2?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-295x2-review-benchmark-performance,3799-2.html

"Notice the two eight-pin power plugs? A lot of folks were speculating that AMD would use three of those. AMD is coy about the 295X2’s maximum power, but claims it averages around 500 W under load. We’ll give you a definitive answer on consumption in the following pages. However, let’s use 500 W as a nice, round figure. The PCI-SIG electromechanical specification rates a 16-lane PCI Express slot for up to 75 W. A six-pin auxiliary connector is rated for the same 75 W. And you get 150 W from an eight-pin connector. Two of those eight-pin plugs plus a motherboard slot should add up to 375 W, leaving us about 125 W short of our target."

According to AMD, that’s not a problem. Representatives from the PCI-SIG declined comment, but AMD says:

"The PCI spec was created as a guideline for wide compatibility and thermal density within a two-slot form factor. The 295X2 is about pushing performance, not wide compatibility, and as a result requires carefully-chosen infrastructure by DIYers. This selection criteria for PSUs and cases…will appear on amd.com after launch. When it comes to PSUs, the 295X2 will separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. The best PSUs will use low-gauge wiring and high-output MOSFETs...”

he mentioned "ocing" period never said i just oced my gpu, and belive what you want about gpu power useage but since you are so fond of quoting toms
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290x-hawaii-review,3650-29.html

i can show more, but meh some show more, some less, the truth is you can NOT put a number on it, as it pulls though both the 24pin and the 6/8pins and most no one in the review business actually owns the proper equip to measure properly

to emphasize
they will pull ~ 300 w each, you will need at least a 1600w power supply for a min of 100w head room. and i am done talking about this.
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I don't know how you can fair at math that hard after doing so well in the same post, but 1200w on 120v lines = 10A...

Although absolutely right when calculating ac to ac current, the losses across the DC conversation is the main story. Even with the "Gold" power supplies today, consider 90% efficiency (10% heat loss).

1200*0.1=120watt loss. Making a 1200w PSU pull ~1320watts AC. Figure that most 120v US outlets are figured @ 115v: 1320\115=11.4amps.

Add general service factor of 15% (.15, losses via aging and degradation), you'd have to look @ 1518watt ac worst case scenario.

1518/115=13.2 amps. Then you think about voltage drop after heat and current load on a 15amp home breaker, your getting close.

I'll tell you this, I have my 850 machine (with all peripherals) and a headless server (~550watts full tilt) on the same breaker. ( because this side of my office is wired that way) and twice now I have popped the breaker in the summer with 110f outside and the machines ramped up. At the time of these loads, the voltage on the breaker will droop to ~110v... Making the amp draw even worse.

Food for thought...

ADDED: As I just caught on that I just dropped this post in the middle of what might very well be a "heated" discussion. I want to emphasize I am not leaning on anyone or "poking" either. Simply adding some ¢...
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he mentioned "ocing" period never said i just oced my gpu, and belive what you want about gpu power useage but since you are so fond of quoting toms
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290x-hawaii-review,3650-29.html

i can show more, but meh some show more, some less, the truth is you can NOT put a number on it, as it pulls though both the 24pin and the 6/8pins and most no one in the review business actually owns the proper equip to measure properly

to emphasize
they will pull ~ 300 w each, you will need at least a 1600w power supply for a min of 100w head room. and i am done talking about this.


"What is the difference in Watt consumption of a not OC FX8350 and a OC FX8350? I think I will hit the limit of my PSU when trying to OC."

Word by word. His concern was the CPU. I chimed in.

"Not even a 1200i can keep up with quad CFX 290s and an overclocked vishera octo. His cards alone can draw 1k."

...and yes that was stock,while gaming,no stress testing or anything, normal usage. And then you came charging in, feeling superior informing us that overclocked cards will consume more power and his already insufficient PSU will be even more insufficient. Thanks, captain obvious.
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Thanks all for your answers! I have never OC before and as Im building my first WC loop, I think I will try to OC and have fun like you guys show in your posts here thumb.gif

I live in a 220V country and in my neighborhood almost all the time my UPS and killowatt shows 227-230V. Our fuses are 15A each for different separate part of the house and 20A for the kitchen.
A few months ago me and my wife bought a 33 years old apartment. The first thing I did was call the electric company for a full check of the wires, fuses, connectors. I was afraid to make a fire with my computer. They told me that the electric installation was safe to use and plug a 1200W+ PC and recommended to upgrade/rewire it in the next 3 years as it was old. We will upgrade/rewire the electric installation this year. Megaman advice about the electric installation is a good one. KyadCK I dont see your Rep+ button.

3x R9 290 and 1xFX8350 without OC hit 900-1000W as shown by Corsair Link in the AX1200i.
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Thanks all for your answers! I have never OC before and as Im building my first WC loop, I think I will try to OC and have fun like you guys show in your posts here thumb.gif

I live in a 220V country and in my neighborhood almost all the time my UPS and killowatt shows 227-230V. Our fuses are 15A each for different separate part of the house and 20A for the kitchen.
A few months ago me and my wife bought a 33 years old apartment. The first thing I did was call the electric company for a full check of the wires, fuses, connectors. I was afraid to make a fire with my computer. They told me that the electric installation was safe to use and plug a 1200W+ PC and recommended to upgrade/rewire it in the next 3 years as it was old. We will upgrade/rewire the electric installation this year. Megaman advice about the electric installation is a good one. KyadCK I dont see your Rep+ button.

3x R9 290 and 1xFX8350 without OC hit 900-1000W as shown by Corsair Link in the AX1200i.

Keep in mind that 220v will run a tad more efficient than 120v here in the states. You will also have more potential energy within the same amperage as well.

(I.E. 120v*15amps=1800watts vs. 220v*15amps=3300watts)

You should have decent headroom (although pushing it) with a 1200watt PSU.
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Keep in mind that 220v will run a tad more efficient than 120v here in the states. You will also have more potential energy within the same amperage as well.

Which boils down to you can use thinner gauge wire (per the code) to carry more wattage. smile.gif
    
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Optiarc DVD RW AD-7280S Cooler Master Hyper 212 plus Windows 8.1.1 pro with media center Funai 32inch LED HDTV 
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Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000 Corsair CX600 Custom twin full tower, 12 - 5 1/4 bays total Logitech M510 
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You can easily put both psus on one circuit then. It will only pull a max of 7.5a on 220
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Pioneer BDR-208DBK Blu-ray Writer Swiftech H20-220 EDGE HD Liquid Cooling Kit Swiftech Komodo 7970 Swiftech MCP-35X2 
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Alphacool 240mm XT45 Alphacool 120mm XT45 Alphacool 120mm UT60 FrozenQ PC Mods UV Meteor Light Limited Edition... 
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R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  F3-2400C10D-16GTX  OCZ Agility 3 120GB  
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OCZ Agility 3 120GB  Seagate Barracuda 1TB  Segate Barracuda 3TB Rosewill RCR-IM5001 USB2.0 75 in 1 internal Car... 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Pioneer BDR-208DBK Blu-ray Writer Swiftech H20-220 EDGE HD Liquid Cooling Kit Swiftech Komodo 7970 Swiftech MCP-35X2 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Swiftech MCP35X2 Heat Sink Swiftech MCP35X Reservoir Swiftech Komodo 7970 Swiftech Komodo 7970 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Alphacool 240mm XT45 Alphacool 120mm XT45 Alphacool 120mm UT60 FrozenQ PC Mods UV Meteor Light Limited Edition... 
CoolingCoolingOSOS
Koolance Radiator Mounting Bracket with Quick-R... Swiftech Komodo 7970 Windows 7 Windows 8  
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ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  XFX FXTRISTAND Triple Display Monitor Stand  
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G510 XFX pro 1250w black edition Caselabs MAGNUM M8 Case Razer Naga 
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Sony 2.1 Razer Megalodon XFX pro 1250w black edition 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
8350 batch 1229 pgn  Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z gigabyte 7770 OC gigabyte 7770 OC 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
F3-2400C10D-16GTX OCZ agaility 3 120  OCZ Agility 3 120gb  Seagate 7200rpm 1tb 
Optical DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
Pioneer BDR-208DBK Rosewill RCR-IM5001 USB2.0 75 in 1 internal Car... Swiftech MCP-35X White Top Swiftech Quiet Power 240  
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Swiftech Apogee HD Windows 7 Windows 8 LG E2242 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG E2242 RAZER Black Lycosa Mirror Special Edition Seasonic x660 Cooler Master Storm Stryker 
Mouse
Razer Lachesis 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX 6100 Sabertooth 990fx R2.0 XFX 7770 Core Edition Samsung 1600 2x4 
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