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And the wire has to be able to take that amount of current.
14 gauge solid copper = 15 amps. Most common household wiring and receptacles.

12 gauge solid copper = 20 amps. Pretty rare in a house.

10 gauge solid copper = 30 amps. Mostly for electric water heaters.

8 gauge solid copper = 40 amps. Some electric stoves and some large water heaters.

6 gauge solid copper = 50 amps, mostly used for electric stoves.


Using solid aluminum wire, not allowed in most areas anymore except for over 30 amps and special clamps, you have to use the next gauge down for the amperage, ie thicker wire.
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You can put as many on one circuit as the circuit breaker allows. However 1200w at full load is about 15a at the wall. So you would need 2 separate breakers in most cases
Yeah, he would need a 14 ga or heavier extension cord for the second psu and he would most likely find the separate second circuit run in another room or a few rooms away. He can easily test which are separate circuits by using lamps in the receptacles and switching off the breakers at the panel one at a time.


not trying to argue but 12g is pretty common esp in old houses. you are allowed to put 15ga outlets on 20a circuit breakers. most of the outlets in my house are 20a
Mine are also Mega, but sage advice non-the-less. I went out and got two 6ft 18A extension cords Hard to find, I found mine at an ACE Hardware) and run my AX1200 off one 20A circuit, and the other. 1000A off a separate circuit.

hehe that is why i am running a 20a 220 branch i can run EVERYTHING @! (3) one for each pc
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personally i only run 12ga unless i need a bigger wire
So do I, and in the garage exclusively because the relatively small price difference and amounts are worth it. But electrical contractors run the very least they can per the code, heh.
    
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personally i only run 12ga unless i need a bigger wire
So do I, and in the garage exclusively because the relatively small price difference and amounts are worth it. But electrical contractors run the very least they can per the code, heh.

thats why i buy houses from the 70s, still had copper pipes, built to last, not the cheap junk now
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still had copper pipes, built to last,
Yeah, but after 30 - 50 years, depending on the water, copper pipes and the fittings get corrosion and leak. It so much easier to deal with pvc and cpc. Soldering in tight spaces is a bear, heh.
    
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Deleted too much on my phone. But to answer your questions.

You can change circuit breakers. However. To be up to code in most states in the u.s. you can not exceed 20a on main recepticles ( higher amp plugs hace designated special plugs). And the wire has to be able to take that amount of current.

I see. Has something to do with the safety standards isn't it?
You got me a clear picture now.
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You could hack it. But never something I would recommend.vc
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As to the speakers you are talking high vs low voltage. It is not pulling hundreds of amps from the wall
Depends on the AMPS used mate.

You can put as many on one circuit as the circuit breaker allows. However 1200w at full load is about 15a at the wall. So you would need 2 separate breakers in most cases[/quote]

Got it man, different standards it is.

As an example, we use 220Volts which could either be single phase, 220-0 or a 220-Ground.
or a 3-phase 220, 110-110 if you take 2 lines.

No breaker rules to follow. Just plain local building code and National Elecrical code to master.
You can use whatever size of wire for the outlets cept thinner than 14 Gauge (which is for lightings main).. using a standard socket-plug mating.

So yeah, things like yours are NEWS to me. biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
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Either is a bit over kill 3 gpu on 1200w fourth and cpu on secondary .
Leaves a few hundred ways on each as head room

Edited by mus1mus - 4/14/14 at 12:16am
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Just ordered some shiny things for both my main rig and the Kaveri one. It should all be here by wednesday. All of it is long due, and very welcome. You'll see it when I'm done.

I'll also be parting out quite a lot, so if any of you are in the mood for some "cheaper" stuff keep an eye on me, I'll have some high-grade stuff goin out my door soon.

And lastly... My computer is less than 15 feet from my breaker box. It is plugged into the outlets that are physically on the breaker box. Maybe it's time to find me a 50A breaker and some good cable...
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Guys I just found something interesting. Well we all know that we do not recommend 970 boards for FX. But @cpmee has discovered something more. On the back of ASUS M5A990X Evo R2.0 and ASUS M5A990FX Pro R2.0, there are chips on the back of the board around the VRM area. Now these little chips get quite toasty! 113C with an FX 6300 at 4.5GHz I think!



Don't worry this is not my system! tongue.gif


However the 970 boards do not have these chips it would seem! Now this confirms what a lot of us have suspected as true, that the Asus 970 boards although 6+2 phase like their bigger brothers, are not as robust and powerful as the M5A990 boards.
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Of course Im right. I thought I was wrong once, but was mistaken, heh. tongue.gif

Back of M5A970 R2




Back of M5A970 LE R2




Yeah, those extra chips must be doing something good, otherwise why spend the cost, time and effort to put them on ? Bonami2 deserves credit for measuring the temps of those hot little suckers. Even though I have an infrared thermometer, I doubt if I would have thought to measure back side temps. redface.gif

Now to look at the backsides of some Gigabyte boards. wink.gif
GA-78LMT-USB3 = no chips
GA-970A-UD3P = no chips
GA-990FXA-UD3 = no chips
GA-990FXA-UD5 = no chips
GA-990FXA-UD7 = no chips

So we can deduce that those chips have to do with New DIGI+ Power Control, which the M5A970 and Gigabyte boards dont have.

Now kudos to @cpmee for showing me this and also @bonami2 for having that hot running system that shows us how important the cooling is on those M5A990 boards.

Now I decided to share this with you guys. Simply because most of us here are running the full sized octo's at 4.6GHz+ on these boards. So these VRM's are under even more stress. So we need to get some cooling in there. Now most of us have some sort of backside fan. In my case a 120mm that is big enough to cover the socket and these little chips. However I would recommend people using smaller fans maybe think about up-sizing.

Now being the kind of enthusiast I am I decided that I am personally going to take this step further. Simply because I am an avid OC'er. I will be trying to to reach 5GHz on this board. So cooling will be important. So I am going to take the left over VRM and DRAM heatsinks that I am using for my GPU's and I am going to put them on the back of the motherboard on these chips. Also the M5A boards use push pins to fasten the VRM sinks in place. So I think that I am going to try and redo the sinks with screws or bolts. Hopefully this will lessen the gap between the VRM mosFET's and the sink. Because the gap is actually pretty large. Tried replacing the pads with MX-4 once and the gap was too large and the contact was poor. If there was any contact at all. So if I find a way to screw the sink on I can close the gap to a small enough gap, that I get decent contact in there so I can use my favorite TIM.
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Hey dudettes

MY mate got a crappy laptop with just a vga port on it

the screens going dodgy on the laptop but works great through another monitor, but alas his tv got no vga port. just hdmi

anyone got any ideas if such a cable exists
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Guys I just found something interesting. Well we all know that we do not recommend 970 boards for FX. But @cpmee has discovered something more. On the back of ASUS M5A990X Evo R2.0 and ASUS M5A990FX Pro R2.0, there are chips on the back of the board around the VRM area. Now these little chips get quite toasty! 113C with an FX 6300 at 4.5GHz I think!



Don't worry this is not my system! tongue.gif


However the 970 boards do not have these chips it would seem! Now this confirms what a lot of us have suspected as true, that the Asus 970 boards although 6+2 phase like their bigger brothers, are not as robust and powerful as the M5A990 boards.
Now kudos to @cpmee for showing me this and also @bonami2 for having that hot running system that shows us how important the cooling is on those M5A990 boards.

Now I decided to share this with you guys. Simply because most of us here are running the full sized octo's at 4.6GHz+ on these boards. So these VRM's are under even more stress. So we need to get some cooling in there. Now most of us have some sort of backside fan. In my case a 120mm that is big enough to cover the socket and these little chips. However I would recommend people using smaller fans maybe think about up-sizing.

Now being the kind of enthusiast I am I decided that I am personally going to take this step further. Simply because I am an avid OC'er. I will be trying to to reach 5GHz on this board. So cooling will be important. So I am going to take the left over VRM and DRAM heatsinks that I am using for my GPU's and I am going to put them on the back of the motherboard on these chips. Also the M5A boards use push pins to fasten the VRM sinks in place. So I think that I am going to try and redo the sinks with screws or bolts. Hopefully this will lessen the gap between the VRM mosFET's and the sink. Because the gap is actually pretty large. Tried replacing the pads with MX-4 once and the gap was too large and the contact was poor. If there was any contact at all. So if I find a way to screw the sink on I can close the gap to a small enough gap, that I get decent contact in there so I can use my favorite TIM.

Not sure what those are but for completion sake ,this is the back of my Asus M5A97 Evo R2.0, (the 6+2 model).



It also has these things. M5A97 R2.0 is a 4+2 heatsinked model and the M5A97 LE R2.0 is 4+2 non heatsinked.
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Originally Posted by Alastair View Post

Guys I just found something interesting. Well we all know that we do not recommend 970 boards for FX. But @cpmee has discovered something more. On the back of ASUS M5A990X Evo R2.0 and ASUS M5A990FX Pro R2.0, there are chips on the back of the board around the VRM area. Now these little chips get quite toasty! 113C with an FX 6300 at 4.5GHz I think!



Don't worry this is not my system! tongue.gif


However the 970 boards do not have these chips it would seem! Now this confirms what a lot of us have suspected as true, that the Asus 970 boards although 6+2 phase like their bigger brothers, are not as robust and powerful as the M5A990 boards.
Now kudos to @cpmee for showing me this and also @bonami2 for having that hot running system that shows us how important the cooling is on those M5A990 boards.

Now I decided to share this with you guys. Simply because most of us here are running the full sized octo's at 4.6GHz+ on these boards. So these VRM's are under even more stress. So we need to get some cooling in there. Now most of us have some sort of backside fan. In my case a 120mm that is big enough to cover the socket and these little chips. However I would recommend people using smaller fans maybe think about up-sizing.

Now being the kind of enthusiast I am I decided that I am personally going to take this step further. Simply because I am an avid OC'er. I will be trying to to reach 5GHz on this board. So cooling will be important. So I am going to take the left over VRM and DRAM heatsinks that I am using for my GPU's and I am going to put them on the back of the motherboard on these chips. Also the M5A boards use push pins to fasten the VRM sinks in place. So I think that I am going to try and redo the sinks with screws or bolts. Hopefully this will lessen the gap between the VRM mosFET's and the sink. Because the gap is actually pretty large. Tried replacing the pads with MX-4 once and the gap was too large and the contact was poor. If there was any contact at all. So if I find a way to screw the sink on I can close the gap to a small enough gap, that I get decent contact in there so I can use my favorite TIM.

Not sure what those are but for completion sake ,this is the back of my Asus M5A97 Evo R2.0, (the 6+2 model).



It also has these things. M5A97 R2.0 is a 4+2 heatsinked model and the M5A97 LE R2.0 is 4+2 non heatsinked.
The higher end boards from Asus such as Saberkitties and Crosshairs have the chips at the back, but there is some sort of heatplate sort of thing on the back there. So there shouldn't be a need to worry about those.

So Backside Chips:
M5A990FX Pro R2.0
M5A990X Evo R2.0
M5A970 Evo R2.0

No Backside Chips:
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