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I'm not really sure how to tell you this, but basically all newer 120GB SSDs are crap because they have larger capacity chips on them. Speed is gained from more of these chips running in more or less RAID 0 on the same little PCB. Even going to 250GB, the IOPS are better and the write speeds increase massively.

Not only that, but the larger the SSD, the more cache it has of it's own. The 120GB model comes with a rather pathetic by Samsung standards of 256MB of LDDR2 1066. The 250GB and 500GB models come with 512MB of LDDR2 1066, and the 750GB and 1TB models come with a full 1GB of LDDR2 1066.

By going for the 120GB model of the 840 EVO, you literally jumped on the weakest weapon in their arsenal and are now paying the price for it, so to speak. It's the equivalent of buying a 212 EVO over an NH-D14. The 840 EVOs are almost always near or at the top of their charts, even beyond their price range, but the 120GB is lacking.


Yes i hear you, i did chose this one because i could trade my old agility 3 in for this one and did not have to pay anything for this one.

I end up selling this thing and get a larger one, perhaps an 256gb pro or maybe i go with G.Skill and i heard Kingston have great ones too Ive heard.
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Hey guys.
I've been planning to save up for a custom water loop for my 8350 to get to 5GHz or more, but I've seen some people get there with AIO coolers as well. I would love to finally get to build my first ever custom loop, but it costs a lot more than a good 240 AIO. Is a custom loop really worth it price/performance wise? Also, which would you recommend? The H100i seems to be good enough for 5 GHz if I cool my VRMs well enough and is available in my country, or should I spend a little more money and a lot more time by ordering an h220 from Germany? I could get an AIO next month, a custom loop would have to wait until the middle of summer most likely. Would be nice to make my mind up soon since a 240 rad requires me to cut up my case a little bit and it would be nice to know when I have to take that leap of faith with my hands made of jelly and my head full of cobwebs. biggrin.gif
Also, how much could I benefit from faster RAM? Currently running 2x4GB @ 1600MHz, if I ever find some extra money should I upgrade to 2133 or is it good enough to OC my current sticks to 1866?
Cheers.
Too many buts and ifs. Custom water has better future potential = making it bigger but never gonna get Price/performance from AIO. Memory is speculative. Honestly we are heading to 16GB Minimums for ram so theres that. But speeds have little impact in real world, except BF4 so maybe that is changing too. If you can OC what you got do that, saves money. And whilst saving save for a 16GB set.
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Currently running 2x4GB @ 1600MHz, if I ever find some extra money should I upgrade to 2133 or is it good enough to OC my current sticks to 1866?
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ADATA XPG 8GB PC3-12800 CL9 V1.0
Overclock your present sticks to 1866. One reviewer at newegg on your ram:

"Pros: amazing i clock it at 1866 timing 9-10-9 28 at stock voltage 1.5v wit out trying too hard just pop it in and crank it up never look back ever since i got it"

YMMV, but you should be able to do 10-10-10-30 anyway, which is about what most 1866 sticks are. With some increase in vdimm, you may be able to do 11-11-11-33 at 2133. I doubt they would get hot even if vdimm were increased to 1.65v.
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Yes i hear you, i did chose this one because i could trade my old agility 3 in for this one and did not have to pay anything for this one.

I end up selling this thing and get a larger one, perhaps an 256gb pro or maybe i go with G.Skill and i heard Kingston have great ones too Ive heard.

Whoa, be careful, Kingston pulled a bait and switch on their new SSD models. They sent to reviewers one type of flash memory in their SSDs, and then a short while later changed to different flash memory which was much slower write and they didnt announce it or change the model number of their drives. Thats why in recent weeks the price has dropped so low on them.

Other than this sleazy fiasco, Kingston is a great company to do business with.
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Too many buts and ifs. Custom water has better future potential = making it bigger but never gonna get Price/performance from AIO. Memory is speculative. Honestly we are heading to 16GB Minimums for ram so theres that. But speeds have little impact in real world, except BF4 so maybe that is changing too. If you can OC what you got do that, saves money. And whilst saving save for a 16GB set.
Hmm. Now I have an idea: getting an AIO next month and another 8GB of RAM in the summer, overclocking my current sticks. Seems like the best thing to do for my wallet.
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Overclock your present sticks to 1866. One reviewer at newegg on your ram:

"Pros: amazing i clock it at 1866 timing 9-10-9 28 at stock voltage 1.5v wit out trying too hard just pop it in and crank it up never look back ever since i got it"

YMMV, but you should be able to do 10-10-10-30 anyway, which is about what most 1866 sticks are. With some increase in vdimm, you may be able to do 11-11-11-33 at 2133. I doubt they would get hot even if vdimm were increased to 1.65v.
Wow. Seems my RAM overclocks better than I thought. I've had it at 2133 @ 1.65v for some benching runs but I never knew if it was 100% stable. To my fingers they seemed to be colder than my VRM heatsink, so they should handle the voltage just fine. After all, the XPG V1.0 2133 set runs at the same voltage on the same heatsinks in factory setup. If I get too paranoid, once I have a water cooler instead of the large air cooler I have right now I can always put a fan on my RAM sticks.
Thanks guys.thumb.gif
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Most ram these days is good up to 1.7v for daily use without any extra cooling, good case flow is sufficient.. When benching I've had some of my DDR3 kits to 1.9v and they still live. That was with direct air cooling though.
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Any input on how to make it stable?? based on the results. it didnt BSOD this time, i think i found the minimal voltage to run it at. But I guess not perfectly stable.

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Most ram these days is good up to 1.7v for daily use without any extra cooling, good case flow is sufficient.. When benching I've had some of my DDR3 kits to 1.9v and they still live. That was with direct air cooling though.
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Originally Posted by M1kuTheAwesome View Post

Hmm. Now I have an idea: getting an AIO next month and another 8GB of RAM in the summer, overclocking my current sticks. Seems like the best thing to do for my wallet.
Wow. Seems my RAM overclocks better than I thought. I've had it at 2133 @ 1.65v for some benching runs but I never knew if it was 100% stable. To my fingers they seemed to be colder than my VRM heatsink, so they should handle the voltage just fine. After all, the XPG V1.0 2133 set runs at the same voltage on the same heatsinks in factory setup. If I get too paranoid, once I have a water cooler instead of the large air cooler I have right now I can always put a fan on my RAM sticks.
Thanks guys.thumb.gif

I am yet to see my ram reach 40 degrees when stressing at 1.75v.
At least they're not by Intel that at idle, reaches 40 degrees even in an air conditioned environment.
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Whoa, be careful, Kingston pulled a bait and switch on their new SSD models. They sent to reviewers one type of flash memory in their SSDs, and then a short while later changed to different flash memory which was much slower write and they didnt announce it or change the model number of their drives. Thats why in recent weeks the price has dropped so low on them.

Other than this sleazy fiasco, Kingston is a great company to do business with.

I am no SSD guru but yes, at least 256gb SSD for performance.

By the way, force ls being corsair's base model, can give you 520+ MBps read and write speeds. That is a 120gb too. Isn't that good enough?
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Any input on how to make it stable?? based on the results. it didnt BSOD this time, i think i found the minimal voltage to run it at. But I guess not perfectly stable.


Seems like newer chips can do more at a lower Vcore!!!

Any reason why you don't wanna feed it some more V?
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the temps are close, but i already have LLC at extreme, it should be going to + .1 v offset, should I set the current capability to 140%?


i see, i think i need to add more v offset
Edited by Gregory14 - 4/16/14 at 6:27am
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