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Yes and No, Haswell's will generally score higher than FX chips in Valley with the same GPU's mainly because the extra cores don't do any work, I just ran it then and got near identical results to neurotix's 8350.

i was watching the CPU usage as well and it only uses 4 cores for the most part so it's somewhat relevant, not a great example but still valid in a way.
But it isn't a good indicator of CPU strength. It is engineered to test GPUs and not very taxing on CPUs. A poor indicator for CPUs but a better indicator for GPUs.
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Newegg has refurbished, or had yesterday, a H100i for $40-50.

h100i will not fit unless i mounted the rad outside the case, 99% of aio wont fit because of the 2x 120mm fan slots are like 30mm away from the mobo, which the fans take up 25mm >.< , that was my first choice actually. :

there was a post in the fractal club that someone put a 120mm rad and rigged it behind the power button, but he had a matx, not full atx like I do.

are there any 80mm size rads tongue.gif? there are 2x 80mm fan slots on the back with space for a rad.
     
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But it isn't a good indicator of CPU strength. It is engineered to test GPUs and not very taxing on CPUs. A poor indicator for CPUs but a better indicator for GPUs.

exactly, but it does show a difference when it comes to benching, that's mainly the point that neurotix was making.

as i said before not a great example but still an example nonetheless.

Same as Firestrike and 3D Mark 11.

Actually one thing that frustrates me is why FX's chips suffer so badly in the combined test, looking at neurotix's scores he got 15.05 fps with the 8350 and 34.38 with the 4770k........is it coded to only work properly with Intel or something?

i just don't get it...
 
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But it isn't a good indicator of CPU strength. It is engineered to test GPUs and not very taxing on CPUs. A poor indicator for CPUs but a better indicator for GPUs.

The ONLY thing that changed in my system was my processor and the PCI-E bus (3.0 x8 vs 2.0 x16). As I said, both my 290s were at 1100/1500mhz for both screenshots I posted. Even my RAM was the same at 2400mhz CL11 CR2.

96 vs 124, the numbers don't lie. Of course, Valley tests graphics performance, that's beyond obvious. However, my fps was much higher with Intel, which indicates that the processor does matter.

Stop lying to yourself.

EDIT: Sgt Bilko, I don't understand the low combined score either. You should have seen my Fire Strike combined score before I updated to Windows 7 SP1. It was about 8 fps. Updating to SP1 doubled it, and additionally made IBT AVX work properly. Anyone running Win 7 needs SP1. Also, that's really the problem, it's obvious that Futuremark codes their stuff primarily for Intel. Since I'm really into benching, I basically got sick of the low scores and jumped ship. I love AMD, it's really not fair and kind of messed up.
Edited by neurotix - 4/18/14 at 3:10pm
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But it isn't a good indicator of CPU strength. It is engineered to test GPUs and not very taxing on CPUs. A poor indicator for CPUs but a better indicator for GPUs.

exactly, but it does show a difference when it comes to benching, that's mainly the point that neurotix was making.

as i said before not a great example but still an example nonetheless.

Same as Firestrike and 3D Mark 11.

Actually one thing that frustrates me is why FX's chips suffer so badly in the combined test, looking at neurotix's scores he got 15.05 fps with the 8350 and 34.38 with the 4770k........is it coded to only work properly with Intel or something?

i just don't get it...

* points finger to nose*
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* points finger to nose*

Well, i have a classic case right here:

This: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/2876448

vs This: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/1805629

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* points finger to nose*

Well, i have a classic case right here:

This: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/2876448

vs This: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/1805629

headscratch.gif

I wonder if the newer versions of 3dmark seem to express that moreso than the original, it would be interesting to see what your score would be on the original version.

Edit: I know that my physics score was much higher on the original release of 3dmark 11 than I can get on the current one.
Edited by cssorkinman - 4/18/14 at 3:34pm
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Haswell was worth it for me. I'd say do it.

FX-8350 5ghz



i7 4770k 4.5ghz



Both cards were 1100/1500mhz with both processors.

All the rest of my benchmarks are a few thousand points higher. Gaming is 10-15 fps higher in all games depending on title. Rerunning all my benchmarks and submitting them to HWBOT I got around 70 pts and am now in the top 20 in the US enthusiast league.

If you care about benching, get Intel.
he already has Intel's. And iirc 2011
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Tinfoil hats aside, it might just be lightly threaded, or the two tests individually saturate the FPUs on the FX chips so the combined test makes them choke. Still, it's inclusion is kinda shady, as it seems aimed specifically at making FX look bad. I've never respected benchmark results as a measure of real world performance with these chips, however, so it doesn't matter to me. Teksyndicate talked about a weird disparity in gaming performance relative to benchmark performance in a video they did and I took that to heart when I was shopping for a CPU. I ultimately think I made the right decision with my 8320.
Edited by Nisrock7863 - 4/18/14 at 4:06pm
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Tinfoil hats aside, it might just be lightly threaded, or the two tests individually saturate the FPUs on the FX chips so the combined test makes them choke. Still, it's inclusion is kinda shady, as it seems aimed specifically at making FX look bad. I've never respected benchmark results as a measure of real world performance with these chips, however, so it doesn't matter to me. Teksyndicate talked about a weird disparity in gaming performance relative to benchmark performance in a video they did and I took that to heart when I was shopping for a CPU. I ultimately think I made the right decision with my 8320.

and I think you'll see in a few years when multi-threading beyond 4 cores becomes a norm, everyone with amd 8 cores will be all


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upgrade?

NNNAAAAAAAHH"

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iunno about everyone else but I'm probably going to be able to use me 8320 until it dies
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