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all about overclocking is full of mistery and black magic, guys... . i have fx8350 and nh-c12p se14 + sabertooth 990fx r2.0 in a well cooled nox vx goblin with a 850w nox urano psu. I readed a lot about overclocking this cpu but my pc is a bit weird...

Well im just getting 4.4ghz stable with around 1.356v using prime95, but if i try to set it to +4.5ghz and giving more voltage then my core temps are getting way more hotter than my socket temps, when i stop the test then my core temps go down extremely fast

is about bad sensor??? should i be scared to reach temps in cores around 65ºc or 68ºc while socket temp is stuck at 63º? why is that happening ? guys i swear i was investigating a lot and did not find even other person with same problem. Thank you

It could simply be thermal paste applyed badly, or bad thermal paste (altought not sure there is really such a thing on the market lol). sounds like it at least.
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You asked a similar question the other day. Regarding the Saberkitty iirc. Only you can justify if it's worth it - you know your budget, and I'd also say that from what I've seen in this thread. People who have purchased FX-9XXX chips have a harder time getting it under control than an 83XX.

So you may find that it's more hassle to get it running well, than getting an 83XX and overclocking to 4.8-5 GHz.

Thanks everybody for giving your opinions. Don't really know what i want. Would a 400 mhz jump ( x8? - correct me on this) have any palpable performance increase? Have any of you had any experience with these clocks? I can't say i'm disappointed with what i have right now, there are maybe only a few instances that i feel the pc is slower than my 3770k build. I guess i want a better chip? ( kind of envious with everyone's 4.8 clocks at 1.42 when i'm only at 4.4 tongue.gif)

Bottom line: would 400 extra mhz ( x8?) be a reason to "upgrade" in your opinion.

PS: i lost the crosshair V + supposed 8350 5 ghz @ 1.48 offer otherwise i probably would have gone with that.

Thanks again.
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post #34533 of 67259
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Thanks everybody for giving your opinions. Don't really know what i want. Would a 400 mhz jump ( x8? - correct me on this) have any palpable performance increase? Have any of you had any experience with these clocks? I can't say i'm disappointed with what i have right now, there are maybe only a few instances that i feel the pc is slower than my 3770k build. I guess i want a better chip? ( kind of envious with everyone's 4.8 clocks at 1.42 when i'm only at 4.4 tongue.gif)

Bottom line: would 400 extra mhz ( x8?) be a reason to "upgrade" in your opinion.

PS: i lost the crosshair V + supposed 8350 5 ghz @ 1.48 offer otherwise i probably would have gone with that.

Thanks again.

You say you're jealous of people running 4.8 MHz - but are they using the same Mobo, PSU or Cooling as yourself? Are you comparing apples to pears?

Also how long have you spent learning your current Chip's behaviour and habits? Some members try every single tweak they can, and keep a systematic log of results. This can help you push further, as you know where you CPU needs the 'persuasion' ie. CPU/NB, a higher HTT ref and multi combo etc.
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Thanks everybody for giving your opinions. Don't really know what i want. Would a 400 mhz jump ( x8? - correct me on this) have any palpable performance increase? Have any of you had any experience with these clocks? I can't say i'm disappointed with what i have right now, there are maybe only a few instances that i feel the pc is slower than my 3770k build. I guess i want a better chip? ( kind of envious with everyone's 4.8 clocks at 1.42 when i'm only at 4.4 tongue.gif)

Bottom line: would 400 extra mhz ( x8?) be a reason to "upgrade" in your opinion.

PS: i lost the crosshair V + supposed 8350 5 ghz @ 1.48 offer otherwise i probably would have gone with that.

Thanks again.

My 4.8 is 1.52v actually.

My 4.6 is around 1.44 though.

As to your question though,

  • Can you afford it?
  • Rate it from 1-10 how much you want it
  • Do you think it's worth it?


You should have an idea when you answer that.
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You say you're jealous of people running 4.8 MHz - but are they using the same Mobo, PSU or Cooling as yourself? Are you comparing apples to pears?

Also how long have you spent learning your current Chip's behaviour and habits? Some members try every single tweak they can, and keep a systematic log of results. This can help you push further, as you know where you CPU needs the 'persuasion' ie. CPU/NB, a higher HTT ref and multi combo etc.

From what i've seen the asus mobos from the m599x and up are great for overclocking, most of the higher overclocks have one of those at their base. Regarding the psu 650W should be enough to power a 4.8-5 overclock, it's a fairly good one as well ( corsair 650tx). Cooling might be an issue even though people have recommended the macho in the past and some are running 4.8 clocks on air coolers. I probably haven't spent as much time playing with the voltages as some of the other people around here but i did try a various amount of settings. I'll be changing cases this weekend, if i'm not buying other parts, which means reseating the macho and i'll tinker with the overclock some more. Thank you for the response. Are 400 mhz on each core worth the hassle/ money from a performance point of view?
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My 4.8 is 1.52v actually.

My 4.6 is around 1.44 though.

As to your question though,

  • Can you afford it?
  • Rate it from 1-10 how much you want it
  • Do you think it's worth it?


You should have an idea when you answer that.

I can afford it, i know i want an exemplary AMD build since i think i've become some kind of fanboi but i don't really think it's worth the extra 400-600 mhz. That's why i came here for advice tongue.gif
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thank you very much guys , i think ill change my cooler nh c12p for an h80 or something that fits my case
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I can afford it, i know i want an exemplary AMD build since i think i've become some kind of fanboi but i don't really think it's worth the extra 400-600 mhz. That's why i came here for advice tongue.gif

well i won't run anything under 4.8 now, in gaming it's not that big of a difference to me, more noticeable on the desktop and general usability than anything.

My suggestion is the same as Syn, play around with your chip a bit more and see what you can come up with, even if you hit 4.6 that's a good step up. smile.gif
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From what i've seen the asus mobos from the m599x and up are great for overclocking, most of the higher overclocks have one of those at their base. Regarding the psu 650W should be enough to power a 4.8-5 overclock, it's a fairly good one as well ( corsair 650tx). Cooling might be an issue even though people have recommended the macho in the past and some are running 4.8 clocks on air coolers. I probably haven't spent as much time playing with the voltages as some of the other people around here but i did try a various amount of settings. I'll be changing cases this weekend, if i'm not buying other parts, which means reseating the macho and i'll tinker with the overclock some more. Thank you for the response. Are 400 mhz on each core worth the hassle/ money from a performance point of view?
I can afford it,
i know i want an exemplary AMD build since i think i've become some kind of fanboi but i don't really think it's worth the extra 400-600 mhz. That's why i came here for advice tongue.gif

Lets be honest with ourselves here smile.gif 400-600mhz is huge! lol plus the epeen haha

I think most of users here bought a low to middle mobo.....then coming on here and reading other stories we all want to go better lol

if u can afford it its nice being to be able to hit 5.0/5.1/5.2 for gaming etc etc...i had the same mobo as u and hit 4.8

Its a shame u missed the inter thread comps on various benchmarking software, that was fun

Now it seems to of died off and going back to new users questions
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In this image, you're running prime with the CPU @ 1.592 V under load. Do you really need that much voltage for 4.8 GHz?

I believe the ASRock boards LLC is reversed. So 100% is the least, 25% the most etc. As mentioned by @mus1mus you want to find the LLC setting where you voltage differs the least from idle to load.

My 8320 @ 4.4 GHz goes from 1.308 V idle to 1.296 V under load. With the LLC set to High in the DIGI+ settings. You want to find the setting on your Extreme 9 that give the same outcome. As close to the idle voltage as possible, while under load.

You're most likely putting more stress on the VRMs too buy using a higher LLC setting (Vboost will only heat the VRMs up unnecessarily.

A good practice most members use here is to state voltages under load - not idle. So if you're setting it at 1.48xx V - but running at 1.592 V under load, you're at: 4.8 GHz with 1.592 V.

I bet you can drop the voltage and reduce the VRM and socket temps significantly.

Ok, So here's an update for you. I've changed my Vcore to 1.525v with an LLC of 50%. It's been the most stable I've had in the IBT maximum stress, usually just under 60c (59.4c max). I can't tell what temps my VRM's are at though since you all said AIDA was misleading in it's temp readouts (I've uninstalled it since then). I have to say, setting the Vcore a little higher than I've had it, it's sitting around 1.560-1.568, only 0.043v variance which is a lot lower than the 1.62 max I'm used to having with 1.4875v @ 25% LLC. Don't think I'll try to push her anymore, I think this is probably where my piece of silicon wants to be. I can't get her stable even @ 242 FSB with 1.55v @ 50% LLC so I think that's just telling me I've hit my ceiling for this chip, which I can't really complain, most people's rigs I've seen on here are sitting at 4.8 so maybe that's just what the ave. cap is now that the high end 8350's have been binned for 9390-9590's. Anyway, thanks for all the tips and advice, I appreciate it, and if I see any posts that are similar to issues I've had (especially with this extreme 9 board) I'll chime in my 2 cents !! Thanks again guys !!
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all about overclocking is full of mistery and black magic, guys... . i have fx8350 and nh-c12p se14 + sabertooth 990fx r2.0 in a well cooled nox vx goblin with a 850w nox urano psu. I readed a lot about overclocking this cpu but my pc is a bit weird...

Well im just getting 4.4ghz stable with around 1.356v using prime95, but if i try to set it to +4.5ghz and giving more voltage then my core temps are getting way more hotter than my socket temps, when i stop the test then my core temps go down extremely fast

is about bad sensor??? should i be scared to reach temps in cores around 65ºc or 68ºc while socket temp is stuck at 63º? why is that happening ? guys i swear i was investigating a lot and did not find even other person with same problem. Thank you

Mine does that.. At low overclocks, core temp is lower than socket.. At higher clocks, 4.8 for example, core is higher than socket.
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Thanks everybody for giving your opinions. Don't really know what i want. Would a 400 mhz jump ( x8? - correct me on this) have any palpable performance increase? Have any of you had any experience with these clocks? I can't say i'm disappointed with what i have right now, there are maybe only a few instances that i feel the pc is slower than my 3770k build. I guess i want a better chip? ( kind of envious with everyone's 4.8 clocks at 1.42 when i'm only at 4.4 tongue.gif)

Bottom line: would 400 extra mhz ( x8?) be a reason to "upgrade" in your opinion.

PS: i lost the crosshair V + supposed 8350 5 ghz @ 1.48 offer otherwise i probably would have gone with that.

Thanks again.
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From what i've seen the asus mobos from the m599x and up are great for overclocking, most of the higher overclocks have one of those at their base. Regarding the psu 650W should be enough to power a 4.8-5 overclock, it's a fairly good one as well ( corsair 650tx). Cooling might be an issue even though people have recommended the macho in the past and some are running 4.8 clocks on air coolers. I probably haven't spent as much time playing with the voltages as some of the other people around here but i did try a various amount of settings. I'll be changing cases this weekend, if i'm not buying other parts, which means reseating the macho and i'll tinker with the overclock some more. Thank you for the response. Are 400 mhz on each core worth the hassle/ money from a performance point of view?
I can afford it, i know i want an exemplary AMD build since i think i've become some kind of fanboi but i don't really think it's worth the extra 400-600 mhz. That's why i came here for advice tongue.gif

I think you just answered your own woes.

400 MHz is a lot in terms of performance increase.

I'll just add one, mobo + CPU combo for an upgrade is not enough guarantee for 400MHz or more unless you cool them properly.

If you got that covered already, you'll be happy upgrading IMO
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thank you very much guys , i think ill change my cooler nh c12p for an h80 or something that fits my case

D14 at the least for 4.8 and up.. But mind you, even dual towers are not sufficiently guaranteed for high clocks on these chips.. Blame that for the low temp ceiling of 70 max on the cores.
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Ok, So here's an update for you. I've changed my Vcore to 1.525v with an LLC of 50%. It's been the most stable I've had in the IBT maximum stress, usually just under 60c (59.4c max). I can't tell what temps my VRM's are at though since you all said AIDA was misleading in it's temp readouts (I've uninstalled it since then). I have to say, setting the Vcore a little higher than I've had it, it's sitting around 1.560-1.568, only 0.043v variance which is a lot lower than the 1.62 max I'm used to having with 1.4875v @ 25% LLC. Don't think I'll try to push her anymore, I think this is probably where my piece of silicon wants to be. I can't get her stable even @ 242 FSB with 1.55v @ 50% LLC so I think that's just telling me I've hit my ceiling for this chip, which I can't really complain, most people's rigs I've seen on here are sitting at 4.8 so maybe that's just what the ave. cap is now that the high end 8350's have been binned for 9390-9590's. Anyway, thanks for all the tips and advice, I appreciate it, and if I see any posts that are similar to issues I've had (especially with this extreme 9 board) I'll chime in my 2 cents !! Thanks again guys !!

That is still a big voltage delta. In my experience using a ud3 which has an unpredictable voltage behavior, temps were of the same level at 1.448 with max of 1.488 under load compared to a flat out 1.488 on the kitty..

But that really isn't just about temps and delta values. My ud3 voltage swings are very weird. Overshoots under load plus, changes to 4 values when graphed. And the effect is an unstable chip compared to the kitty.

Sounds weird right? Well I'll break those down. stability first, chip needs 1,488 at 4.8GHz to be stable. But because 80% of the time, it's not at 1.488 (lower in fact) stability is an issue at lower voltages 1.448 at minimum. So I'd need more Vs.

Temps, even though it only stays 20% of the time at 1.488 heat scalse faster at high voltages especially when the swings happens fast..

That is why I advised to observe the voltage fluctuations. It will be better to understand it when using HWInfo's histograph monitor.
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