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Sabertooth has more PCI-E lanes and a better warranty, I'd go with that

haha didn't even notice that.. i geuss it boils down to the nitty gritty
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bought the saber my Girlfriend is going to be pissed.. all well
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hey guys i can't decide
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=13-131-851&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=100&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=3&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Keywords=%28keywords%29
this or
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this
I wont use the ram if I get the saber so i can sell it off which makes them almost the same price. but looking at the boards they look almost the same as far as layout
even spec wise they read the same hmmm.... the 880v-EVO was a beast of a board too

From a spec sheet on those boards:

M5A99FX PRO has 6 + 2 Digi Power
Sabertooth has 8 + 2 Digi Power

Either one would be a good choice because of the Digital Power control. Sabertooth will just be better.

Although IMO the M5A99FX looks better.
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Just asking but, does anyone know if Vishera chips are compatible with 1st gen AM3 Boards?

You would have to look on the manufacturers website under CPU Compatibility for a given motherboard. I ran my FX 8150 on my Crosshair Formula IV for a couple months and it didn't perform well at all. It was very unresponsive and slow compared to using an AM3+ board, so I can't recommend it as a good choice even if it is "compatible".
Edited by ComputerRestore - 11/20/12 at 8:36am
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I already have a high end 3770K build but i plan on doing another build with a AMD FX-8350 Vishera just for kicks using this case -

cooler-master-haf-xb-01_t.jpg

I hope to join you guys soon!
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KYyad CK:
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I don't know how some of you can look at the changelof for P95, see all of the 'bug fixes, see that it has been updated to run for IB and SB, not been touched for PD and not at least hold out the possibility that the program would have a problem not getting along with a new processor.
A bug fix can be implemented for and under any set of circumstances that the program might run into problems operating
" fixed bug where P95 hangs when 'turbo is turned off etc or whatever. could be a thousand different scenarios or settings, or a specific chipset combo. I don't know that it is, but the program has been 'bug fixed' a number of times. I don't know how you can be so sure.
I said a few pages back that I am a hardware guy, not a software guy and would not know bad code if it bit me in the ***. But this is a support thread for Vishera owners and if you can demonstrate that P95 can't possibly have any incompatibilities with Vishera, please share them as there are a number of folks here that can get every stress/load program to run except P95 and you would be doing a great service to actually and specifically show why P95 cannot have any problems with the Piledriver architecture . Because as far as I understand it, "bug fixes' and changes (both found in the P95 change log) to the program inherently mean that something was not working correctly with it before the fix was implemented.
I am not trying to be a ***, I would really like to understand this because it has been rattling around this thread since page 5.
If prime95 were the problem, then it wouldn't be stable for anybody running it on an 8320 or 8350. The problem is that it IS stable for some people. Some people have rock-solid prime95 stabilities -- hours and hours of tests with no issues. It isn't stable for others.

The simplest explanation is that differences in prime95 stability are caused by some systems not being as stable as others. If it were an inherent problem with the program or with the CPUs then we'd see the instability all the time. Only certain CPUs on certain MBs with certain settings are failing. I don't care if those settings are sometimes "stock" -- what the heck difference does that make -- there's still an instability.

So far, prime95 seems pickier than other stability tests I've run, but that just means it's doing a better job finding the instabilities, IMO.

Prime95 runs a set of mathematical operations. If the same set of operations works on one system, mine for example, and not on a different system, what would explain the behaviour? A system that doesn't get the right answer to a set of mathematical operations isn't working right, IMO. I just don't see this as being subject to debate by reasonable people. If the exact same code is run on two different systems with two different results, then there's a problem with (at least) one of the systems.

Awww, you're one of those people who rates Prime higher then AMD's own testing and binning, aren't you? People like you are so cute, I wish we could put you next to the puppies in the window of pet stores. blushsmiley.gif

In all seriousness, If you had any idea what those CPUs have to go through to be considered good enough to sell, you'd crap yourself. AMD, intel, and nvidia are not in the business of selling things that will just be RMAd or don't work. Plus this is one of the higher end parts, and if something didn't work AMD could lop off a couple cores that were being problematic and sell it as a lower part, free of charge.

Not to mention those same tests were done across multiple Giga and Asus boards, but if you think this is all happening on just one combination of hardware, be my guest and list it.

I also love how you completely ignore Red's argument and just post whatever was on your mind. You'll fit in just fine here.
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I already have a high end 3770K build but i plan on doing another build with a AMD FX-8350 Vishera just for kicks using this case -

I hope to join you guys soon!

I honestly can not wait to see that. The XB is interesting to me, and I want to see a badass rig made in one. specool.gif
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1. Does not work on AMD Bulldozer processors. Fixed in gwnum 27.5 (there will not be a prime95 27.5).
2. Length 1280K FFT crashes on Pentium 4s with 512K L2 cache or less. Fixed in 27.6.
3. Hyperthread detection is not working properly. Fixed in 27.6.
4. The 6K 2^N-1 and 8K, 10K, 12K, 16K 2^N+1 AVX FFTs are missing. Fixed in 27.6.
5. Some exponents above 536 million generate roundoff errors and incorrect results. Fixed in 27.6.
6. FFT crossover points need retuning. Many can be more aggressive, but a few need to be more conservative. Fixed in 27.6.

http://mersenneforum.org/showpost.php?p=292383&postcount=2

Hopefully there aren't any other issues discovered. This is bug fix info from 27.6 April 24 2012. It boggles my mind that before that patch, GIMPS would state that Bulldozer didn't work with Prime95. Considering that processors have been running this program fine for so many years and nothing has changed as far as processor architectures.winksmiley02.gif
Edited by ComputerRestore - 11/20/12 at 8:55am
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1. Does not work on AMD Bulldozer processors. Fixed in gwnum 27.5 (there will not be a prime95 27.5).
2. Length 1280K FFT crashes on Pentium 4s with 512K L2 cache or less. Fixed in 27.6.
3. Hyperthread detection is not working properly. Fixed in 27.6.
4. The 6K 2^N-1 and 8K, 10K, 12K, 16K 2^N+1 AVX FFTs are missing. Fixed in 27.6.
5. Some exponents above 536 million generate roundoff errors and incorrect results. Fixed in 27.6.
6. FFT crossover points need retuning. Many can be more aggressive, but a few need to be more conservative. Fixed in 27.6.

http://mersenneforum.org/showpost.php?p=292383&postcount=2

Hopefully there aren't any other issues discovered. This is bug fix info from 27.6 April 24 2012.

Ok, I'm glad that's resolved, but don't we have a Prime95 27.7 that was hard to find? Does that have the fix? And, if anyone has it, could they link it please.
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I feel like this issue is one of those instant controversy topics like abortion or gay marriage, mainly because prime has been the golden standard for so many years. i think that we are boiling down that there are compatibility issues except for the diehard primes that think it is the perfect coding for everything despite a list of bug fixes
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Ok, I'm glad that's resolved, but don't we have a Prime95 27.7 that was hard to find? Does that have the fix? And, if anyone has it, could they link it please.

Maybe someone will have to message GIMPS. It's very confusing on the part of -> Fixed on version 27.5 -> there will be no version 27.5
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I feel like this issue is one of those instant controversy topics like abortion or gay marriage, mainly because prime has been the golden standard for so many years. i think that we are boiling down that there are compatibility issues except for the diehard primes that think it is the perfect coding for everything despite a list of bug fixes

I think Prime95 is perfect. It's GIMPS that says there's is/was an issue lol



I was playing with my i5 2500k last night and I noticed that it's CPU PLL Voltage is set to 1.7v
Has anyone tested Vishera with a much lower CPU PLL? I realize it could drive other components but 2.5v seems kind of high. It could be due to Vishera's FSB being @ 200, where Sandy uses only 100.

If no other components use 2.5v then it's a bit of a waste to have that voltage scale down under load for the CPU. and probably makes a bit of heat too.

Anyone feel like seeing if it will boot and run @ 2.0v? Then maybe 1.7v?
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Awww, you're one of those people who rates Prime higher then AMD's own testing and binning, aren't you? People like you are so cute, I wish we could put you next to the puppies in the window of pet stores. blushsmiley.gif:
I don't consider prime95 to be somehow special or magical. In fact, I don't consider software to magical in general. Too many people posting here seem to think software is something mysterious -- some kind of black art where anything is possible.

Prime95 isn't special. ANY program that runs a set of mathematical calculations should get the same answer on each system. It's supposed to be DETERMINISTIC. When it's not, something is broken.

So maybe, just possibly, there's some kind of strange bug in prime95 that makes it fail SOME of the time. But the SIMPLEST explanation is that differences in the software's results are because of differences in the stability of the underlying systems.

And I don't believe whatever checking AMD does will find system-related stability problems -- if the problem's not CAUSED by the CPU, how could AMD find it?

Debugging stability problems is just a matter of looking at differences in the systems and what effects are seen as a result of those differences. Do this in a systematic way, and it should become clear what's going on. Least hypothesis: The prime95 stability problems are caused by differences in the systems and it's not because of a problem inherent in either prime95 or the CPUs (because the problems aren't found on ALL systems using that combination of software and CPU).
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