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Originally Posted by gertruude View Post

well done but10k is quite easy in firestrike

its 3dmark11 thats a biatch to get 10k

I only scored 7904 at 4.8 GHz in 3DMark11. 10k is difficult indeed so it seems tongue.gif
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this is the only fx 8350 3dm11 i've actually got saved... way back when i had a hd7850

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7012318

8785 physics @ 4.7ghz

maybe i should revisit.
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I think an FX-8350 can handle three R9 290's, right? pretty sure an FX-9xxx would be quite unnecessary...
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I think an FX-8350 can handle three R9 290's, right? pretty sure an FX-9xxx would be quite unnecessary...

Click here (<-- link to Red's last update)

to simply avoid this S storm again..

this post should put any concerns you have to rest.
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I only scored 7904 at 4.8 GHz in 3DMark11. 10k is difficult indeed so it seems tongue.gif

yes it is lol

ive ran 5.3ghz and still not hit 10k smile.gif

i think i should run 5.4ghz but ive got to run over 1.7volts which i dont fancy doing in summer time lol

this is closest ive got on my old gfx card


Edited by gertruude - 8/22/14 at 11:39am
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SGT Bilko You've seen this already / not important (Click to show)
you are definitely better then me how you grab copy and paste or multi-quote or w/e it is called.

looked nice.


in those quotes that you are miss quoting out of context.

there were many more posts that I made that said the correct in game settings I was doing.

you are grabbing crap this is 20 pages old or w/e

you are picking and chosing like a reporter from the new York times.

GOOD ONE

the very last thing you told me about my mixed match ram is it wouldn't work with my overlocks or whatever.

im not quoting I just remember what ya said.

along the lines...it wont work

well im at 4.8GHz stable with this mix matched ram
different volts
different timings

WORKING
You've seen this already / not important (Click to show)
you act all nice and cool in how you quoted me out of contexts again but you are just stirring the pot.

my questions about SLI or CFX with the fx 8320/8350 being a bottleneck are real good

PEOPLE want to know for sure.
Red is doing a Blog or Review on how this "is not the case" with the quad fire in the high performace build hes doing.

what I have STUMBLED upon is a very specific finding of doing just that but with BF4

I believe BF4 and an SLI or CFX (with vcards above my specs (gtx 770 2GB) provide very little GAIN in SLI or CFX.)

Red says this is not the case and showed me that he is no noob with CFX or SLI so im leaning more towards his way in that the FX 83xx series when OC to 4.5GHz is not a bottleneck BUT from what I have found im also guessing it could be.

the more I "research" this on the net the more I keep hearing "gtx 770 sli...don't do it".

I cant wait to read the review.

what I am "thinking" is that when BF4 in a 64 player map is running 1080P Ultra NO AA everything else DEFAULT that a SINGLE GTX 770 gets pretty damn good frame rate and really low ms per frame with my 4.8GHz and 6GB ram and no pagefile
its doing pretty AWESOME
BUT
it will drop fps in a firefight or what I call SPIKE in the ms per frame graph which you can FEEL and see the FPS in top right corner
I want to get rid of that!
if the fx 83xx is not a bottleneck at 4.5GHz and above with DUAL SLI gtx 770 or amd equals which I think are R9 280x?? something like that and above then BF4 will NOT drop anymore or SPIKE correct?

see this is what im gonna find out with Red's help
I play BF4 and all series before that.
DICE worked with AMD specifically to optimize the game for mantle also

I see videos on the net with intel i7 4770K and dual gtx 770 and its jamming
I think 144fps maxed out all the time.
it was late last night and I not sure but I think I find it again....now he had custom settings and quite a few at that so that might come into play as he should have just put it in 1080P ultra and everything default so we could have seen

here is a video that I made with "SHADOWPLAY" that you also quoted me out of context and said I used a 24fps sec video and I clearly had said in my orig post that I made it with my note 3 but was going to do it with shadowplay.

idk its like you got something against me.
I think you gonna try and get me banned because what I have found has been found by other people also.
im in a special position because im stuck at the road where I need to upgrade "something" to get the steady frame rates I want when playing bf4 and im hoping and believe me I REALLY AM! hoping I can just add another gtx 770 instead of selling my cpu and selling my mboard and then having to wait for it all to clear through ebay and then ordering another intel mboard and intel chip and putting money with it to get it.

yea believe me with my CVF-Z quad sli mb I would just love to drop another 770 in it or maybe later on even another and later on another?
get my point?
hope this kick butt mboard isn't useless with more then 1 gpu when the gpu's are gtx 770 or = in amd (for bf4)

here is a new video I made of my system.
I will make a better one if anyone has a request for a certain map.

please watch the video and listen to me if possible.
im not good on the mic but if you look at all my data I have there and there is a lot then maybe you can see my true concern
I have an amd system
I have always had amd system
google my name
tdbone1 5770
tdbone1 5870
tdbone1 6870
tdbone1 955BE
tdbone1 1090T
tdbone1 x2 4200

ok im not an intel fanboy
what I am though is a hardcore bf series player
now that dice has included perfoverlay.drawgraph 1 it makes it easier to find out what exactly causes these spikes
lets figure it out

btw I just watched that video in the link in this post and yea I think It "says" it all when im speaking.
please watch the fps and graph. yellow is cpu and green is gpu

I'm around 100 posts behind.... BUT -

1. Prime 95 (latest build plz) -> Go to: Torture Test...
2. Then select Blend -> after choosing Blend, go to custom, and enter 90% of your ram into the: Memory to use (in MB).
3. Give us a minimum of 9 hours, OR if you're lazy, take the test time down from 15 to 10 mins, and reduce total time from 9 hrs, to 6.

Post us a screenshot of this and I might start to entertain the WORKING in all caps tongue.gif

@tdbone1
this may have already been discussed so sorry in advance (Click to show)
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again I don't hear anyone arguing my benchmarks and saying im getting to low for my system or anything like that.

so the system I take it everyone agrees is working proper for the hardware I have.
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Originally Posted by FlailScHLAMP View Post

here it is simple plain English.

your CPU frame-buffer has run out. that is why you experience stuttering.

the resource that your CPU uses for its frame buffer is the system ram.

BF4 uses web based launchers, so you need a browser open to run it, bet you run Chrome don't you.

Web browser aren't the most light weight clients ever..
and Windows kinda does need to run and utilize memory.

you've disabled your paging file so, you've got no virtual memory. and it isn't like virtual memory will help here far too slow.
nothing is a substitute for physical ram, it is the fastest thing in your cpu's arsenal other then its built in cache.

Ditch you aging ram, go spend 80-100 on a 8gb 1866 kit at-least and see how your play experience improves. you don't even need to get the expensive stuff.

OMG - a few posts down, sorry had to add this for your convenience. Did you really miss everything Flail said? teaching.gif

Edited by Synister - 8/22/14 at 11:50am
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Old 3dmark 11 with a single 7850.. Crap overall score, but like the physics score...

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ok so after installing the phanteks fan blowing on the vrms and getting the fan controller installed in side panel... socket temp changed under ibt avx 2C... when i had air cooling and same fan installed minus the vrm fan i got socket within 10C of core all the time now its 15+ how does that happen? I understand that i need better socket cooling because the air cooler pulled some of the heat and air away from socket but 5 - 6C with socket hotter than before granted im running 400mhz higher but i guess as long as it doesnt hit 72 all will be good i guess smile.gif


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Old 3dmark 11 with a single 7850.. Crap overall score, but like the physics score...

Windows 8 has problems with Physics scores, he was frustrated only having 7900 Physics@(5.0?)GHz.
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Decided to pop in the old thuban PII X6 1090T. Quite sure this will make some butt holes pucker biggrin.gif
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

What surprised the hell out of me is the temps.

I'm not sure how to tell you this dude, but 4.2Ghz was not too uncommon for Thuban. I even had a Deneb that would do 4.3 24/7. Throwing insane voltage at something is just called doing a suicide run, I did a few of those as well with my Ph II.

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2520047
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I think an FX-8350 can handle three R9 290's, right? pretty sure an FX-9xxx would be quite unnecessary...

Well an FX-9 is just an overclocked FX-8 so...
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I think an FX-8350 can handle three R9 290's, right? pretty sure an FX-9xxx would be quite unnecessary...

Click here (<-- link to Red's last update)

to simply avoid this S storm again..

this post should put any concerns you have to rest.

For the love of god, please stop posting that. I know Red has good intentions, but that post does NOTHING to show if there will be a bottleneck or not. He shows that the CPU "can make use of the GPUs in the specific instances at my clocks in these games and at my resolution" and that's it. Never mind the fact that Task Manager and any other CPU reader lie about core usage since Windows will shift tasks between cores, so 8x50% could mean the CPU is maxed at 4x100% 4x0%.

Do you know what res he is running at? If it's 1080p I guarantee you he will have a CPU bottleneck because Tri-290 is extreme overkill for that. In fact, Tri-290 is overkill for some 1440 and depending on the game, even 4k! On the other hand if he plans to run tri-1440, there are good odds that the cards are what is holding the FPS back, but even that doesn't matter because it still depends on the game.

Do you know what game he wants to play? In Starcraft 2 the CPU will almost always be the bottleneck, no matter what it is or the resolution used (within reason). An 8350 at any clock would bottleneck even one 290X in SC2 at 1080, let alone 3.

There is absolutely no such thing as saying "this will not bottleneck" without adding qualifiers because that is a LIE.

So please for all that is holy ask questions. You are showing ignorance by effectively telling him that he will never bottleneck no matter what. You are misleading him. You are lying. What Red's posts show is that in those games at his resolution and CPU/GPU clocks his CPU can keep the GPUs fed according to MSI Afterburner, which even then is very bad at telling you actual usage especially with the variable-clock 290s.

"Bottlenecking" is not a set in stone event. It's what you get when one part of a computer limits the rest of the process. You can easily change demand until something else becomes the weakest link. Just add AA and res if you want the GPUs to work harder for example.

I am honestly sick of people pointing and RED's extremely limited screenshots and proclaiming that an 8350 is "just as good as intel and will never bottleneck anything" because it's BS. Just look at his Heaven numbers if you want to see how untrue it is... He scores very well, but is not on par with an intel chip with the same GPUs and GPU/VRAM clocks. "Will this bottleneck me" should NEVER be the question asked. The question that should be asked is "Are my parts strong enough to get me acceptable results?". I don't care if acceptable results means 30fps or 200fps to you, that is for you to decide.
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