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you just aren't understanding.... these chips run best on 1866 and up ram in a matching kit... buying two kits that are the same speed and brand does not make them matching.... furthermore the imc for amd prefers two sticks rather than four... do yourself a huge favor and grab up an 1866 8 gb gskill or equivalent set.... you will notice a difference I assure you of that

Not true. Older AMD chips, like s939, were a hit or miss with 4 sticks, but did best with 2 in 1T. These new chips do just fine with 4 sticks, given everything is configured properly. I've been running 4 dimms on my same rev.01 Sabertooth for YEARS. No problems. And thats with 4 different CPUs. 965, 960T, 1100T, and now the 8350. thumb.gif

And to the guy with the people getting frustrated. I haven't read every detail, but what I see didn't look good. 2 dimms or 4 dimms bro, all matching. No exceptions. Of course you're gonna love a new GPU if its better than your current, but with insane memory bottleneck from mis matching, you're enjoyment will just be a frustration until memory is accounted for. It doesn't get any easier than that. Memory isnt cheap now-a-days, but that should be no.1 to get your system repaired. redface.gif It would only delay your GPU purchase a little while.
Edited by SwishaMane - 8/24/14 at 6:42am
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you just aren't understanding.... these chips run best on 1866 and up ram in a matching kit... buying two kits that are the same speed and brand does not make them matching....

Matching "kits" are irrelevant.

I've never seen an overall difference between individual sticks and kits, assuming the same PCB, ICs, and speed bin, outside of SPD/XMP profiles that only matter if you don't know how to manually configure such things.

Most testing of the DIMMs that are paired together in kits is quite minimal, and I have owned many kits where individual DIMMs within the same kit had wildly different OCing properties. My current primary setup has the best eight DIMMs from nine two DIMM kits. My hand binning/matching is far more exacting than would be economical for any manufacturer or rebrander to do. Hell, I have sticks from totally different brands that are better matched than what you'll find in most "kits".
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These new chips do just fine with 4 sticks, given everything is configured properly. I've been running 4 dimms on my same rev.01 Sabertooth for YEARS. No problems. And thats with 4 different CPUs. 965, 960T, 1100T, and now the 8350. thumb.gif

Neither my FX-8150, FX-8350, nor my FX-9590 has ever had issues with 4x8GiB (32GiB) of DDR3-1866 in any of my (AM3+) boards.

It probably helps compatibility that Zambezi and Vishera tend to have very low CPU-NB/IMC clocks.
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Your current build's memory is completely broken. You are not even using dual channel memory because you have an odd number of memory sticks. So you see all these benchmarks that are talking about dual channel at 1600mhz? In single channel, you can basically divide that number by two. So you're basically running the equivalent of 666.6...mhz ram.

I would be nice to you about this but everyone has been fed up with your stuff. Every motherboard manual I've purchased that supported dual channel ram had gigantic warning labels in the manual stating memory must be installed in pairs. You clearly didn't even touch the manual before you started to build your computer, and you're clearly not in a position to be making decisions on how to fix your current situation. Stop and absorb the fact that you've spent hundreds of dollars on something you built yourself and you haven't even touched the manuals for anything. Are you that lazy with your money? Or do you not understand that 2 + 1 is not installing memory in pairs?

Do you think it's some sort of magical coincidence that your read and write (BANDWIDTH) scores are half of what they should be? It's because you're using single channel instead of DOUBLING your channels to two and getting double the bandwidth.

You can go buy whatever the heck you want. But the only thing that's going to fix anything is going to be fixing your memory problems. And it doesn't matter if you were AMD, Intel, Via, or who else cares. If you're not configuring your system properly it's going to run like trash.

I don't know if you have some sort of problem with admitting you've completely screwed up your system or what. But the fact is you made a mistake with that RAM and that's entirely where the problem lies.

You clearly seem to be the type of person who thinks that they can never screw something up and that everything can be fixed by throwing money at the problem. So spend more money on a new graphics card and then wonder why it's still slow. So then blame the AMD CPU and switch to Intel. And then when it doesn't fix the problem maybe then, after spending hundreds of dollars, you'll finally man up and realize you screwed up royally with your build and you were being completely ignorant.



its ppl like you that are irritating
they say you "cant" do this or you "cant" do that but when I did something I "knew" I could do people get mad.
again you think this is the 1st time I mix matched ram and it worked ok?
look at that picture where it says "DUAL CHANNEL"
ram is working fine
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Neither my FX-8150, FX-8350, nor my FX-9590 has ever had issues with 4x8GiB (32GiB) of DDR3-1866 in any of my (AM3+) boards.

It probably helps compatibility that Zambezi and Vishera tend to have very low CPU-NB/IMC clocks.

you're the better one to help the guy it seems.
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Dude, its your RAM and page file that limits you...

I had the same thing with the paging file because some programs and games utilize the page file... I set it to 1024 and all problems were gone.

I see that you are using an 450watt PSU?? With muy CPU and GPU overclocked i draw more than 400 watts from the wall so maybe your PSU unit is a limiting factor as well.

do this please.
disable your pagefile
take out ram so it = 4GB left

run windows and then start a game up of bf4 and put on 1080P ultra
see it will tell you right away you don't have enough memory with a DX 11 error dialog box

guess what I don't get that error when I have PF disabled and 6GB ram when I run BF4 in ultra at 1080P
you know why?
cause it hasn't exceeded the amount it requires.
im fine ON THIS GAME and no pagefile and the amount of physical ram I have.
if you know what your doing (like I do) you do not have to have a pagefile.

again. my vcard will be here soon (it will be a 3GB or 4GB) and I will be able to run on ultra at 1080P and guess what?
we will know then wont we?
if it still has the problem it will be either cpu or ram.
I will definitely report back with the results and make a video.

I already planned on getting the 2x2GB sticks to add with my 2x2GB that I already have.
ill just pull the 2x1GB and insert the 2x2GB and bam it will be done.
bet you didn't watch the video I made either did you
    
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Today I managed to scare the living daylights out of myself.

Whilst changing the voltages on my 4.9 overclock to try to lower the temps and keep it stable I ended up with just a blank screen.

I thought ok, restart, nothing wouldn't boot into the bios, so then I thought graphics card so swapped out the r9-270 for my old hd7770, nothing, then I realised that I was not getting a post bleep, so checked the CPU seating, nothing, tried the Saberkitty magic ram button , nothing.

So went for last resort and started pulling out the ram ...........Yep you guessed it I'd killed two of my sticks of ram so Tuesday morning I'll be queuing outside my local shop for some more.........

http://www.cclonline.com/product/109931/KHX18C9T3K2/8X/Desktop-Memory/Kingston-HyperX-Beast-8GB-2x4GB-Memory-Kit-1866MHz-DDR3-/RAM1080/

Should do to start with.

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Well done mate.

That is a good kit. But you could also try looking at 1.5V 1866s. OC headroom.. and not tax your IMC..

Found out, anything over 1.67ish and the temps go wonky on mine.. just saying. ;D
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Today I managed to scare the living daylights out of myself.

Whilst changing the voltages on my 4.9 overclock to try to lower the temps and keep it stable I ended up with just a blank screen.

I thought ok, restart, nothing wouldn't boot into the bios, so then I thought graphics card so swapped out the r9-270 for my old hd7770, nothing, then I realised that I was not getting a post bleep, so checked the CPU seating, nothing, tried the Saberkitty magic ram button , nothing.

So went for last resort and started pulling out the ram ...........Yep you guessed it I'd killed two of my sticks of ram so Tuesday morning I'll be queuing outside my local shop for some more.........

http://www.cclonline.com/product/109931/KHX18C9T3K2/8X/Desktop-Memory/Kingston-HyperX-Beast-8GB-2x4GB-Memory-Kit-1866MHz-DDR3-/RAM1080/

Should do to start with.

Mike The Owl

i got the same but 1.65v most i got out is 2332mhz
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you just aren't understanding.... these chips run best on 1866 and up ram in a matching kit... buying two kits that are the same speed and brand does not make them matching.... furthermore the imc for amd prefers two sticks rather than four... do yourself a huge favor and grab up an 1866 8 gb gskill or equivalent set.... you will notice a difference I assure you of that

show me the data.

ive showed you mine now you show me yours

if you gonna make statements like that I hope you have some data.

my mboard (cvf-z) have special traces that goto the memory so all the traces come out to be the same length so there is little to no problems at all using 4 sticks of ram.

this is one of the main advantages of this mb. (you probably have to research the data to find it) but I found it.
my 6GB of memory is working just fine being mismatched.

I can post the passmark memory tests again if you want.
did you watch the video I posted?
    
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do this please.
disable your pagefile
take out ram so it = 4GB left

run windows and then start a game up of bf4 and put on 1080P ultra
see it will tell you right away you don't have enough memory with a DX 11 error dialog box

guess what I don't get that error when I have PF disabled and 6GB ram when I run BF4 in ultra at 1080P
you know why?
cause it hasn't exceeded the amount it requires.
im fine ON THIS GAME and no pagefile and the amount of physical ram I have.
if you know what your doing (like I do) you do not have to have a pagefile.

again. my vcard will be here soon (it will be a 3GB or 4GB) and I will be able to run on ultra at 1080P and guess what?
we will know then wont we?
if it still has the problem it will be either cpu or ram.
I will definitely report back with the results and make a video.

I already planned on getting the 2x2GB sticks to add with my 2x2GB that I already have.
ill just pull the 2x1GB and insert the 2x2GB and bam it will be done.
bet you didn't watch the video I made either did you
If you know what you are doing so well why aren't you running recommended spec of ram for the game you are playing and not proper speed to get the most out of the imc? Seems to me someone so "knowledgeable" could see how that could cause subpar performance... furthermore not "running out" of ram and your Ram not being used efficiently are vastly different... any small issue no matter how insignificant compounds when thousands of read and write cycles are involved... you are willing to dump 500 on new items but won't buy recommended spec ram that's 80 dollars? Makes a whole heap of sense...just because your memory passes doesn't make it adequate for the application you are using it for...I can run my ram as low as it will go and pass memtest doesn't mean it's up to the task of a demanding game like bf4...also as an aside say you replace the ram and it is your vram holding you back you will still see performance gains...it's a win win really... and yes I watched the video that doesn't make anything anyone has told you less true most of the regular guys here have used all speeds and all iterations of the fx series from bulldozer to piled river to vishera on a large portion of the boards available...not listening to me sure ok I get that but not listening to 10 people telling you the exact same thing when they have way more experience with your board and processor combo is just silly
Which memory test would you like to see me run? I'll post them up and we can compare keep in mind my ram is bone stock no increases and I have a feeling it will outperform what you are running on an inferior board by far to yours
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