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I am just scared that amd will go out of bussiness frown.gif
I might get the 8350 with Sabertooth R2.0

Even if AMD somehow did manage to go out of business (which I highly doubt, someone would buy them from somewhere, look at their fabs, someone bought them and they were ****ed), it's not like AMD CPUs would suddenly stop working.

And we live in an Intel world now. You don't simply buy a new CPU and put it in your motherboard and see substantial performance gains when a new generation of CPUs comes out. You pretty much have to buy a motherboard + CPU regardless of what happens. And, worst case scenario if AMD does go out of business, you just buy an Intel board and CPU and move on. I mean, hell, if you saw that one article, you might have to buy a CPU + motherboard since Intel is contemplating switching to soldered on CPUs.

But I'm going to go on one of my angry rants about how everyone goes, "imagine what would happen if AMD went out of business, x86 CPUs would suck!" and then I rant about how x86 performance from 2004 netburst single core p4 to core i7 920 in 2008 is a hell of a lot bigger jump than quad core i7 920 in 2008 to i7 3770k in 2012. And about how you have to pay for the privilege to overclock your CPU with a K version, even though it's been free for 30+ years. And how sockets change all the time. And how a 91mm^2 i3 chip is being sold for $129. And how Intel just cuts features off of lower tier chips (like virtualization). The x86 market is already ****, if you waited 4 years after buying a p4 system in 2004 you had a damn good reason to upgrade in 2008 to a core system. If you bought an i7 920 in 2008, you have almost no reason to upgrade to i7 3770k 4 years later in 2012 unless you want to do something like me. Compilng Blender on Gentoo to use FMA and all that fun stuff and cut the render time on my benchmark file from close to 3 minutes on my 4ghz i7 920 to 50 seconds on 5ghz FX 8350 with FMA4 and stuff (yes, it really is almost 3 times faster at Blender rendering than my Intel i7 920 at 4ghz when the FX 8350 uses FMA4 and all the other good CFLAGS from the gentoo wiki and GCC 4.6+). But you don't see anyone taking advantage of those instructions and you just see AMD getting clobbered in benchmarks like SuperPI and unpatched versions of Skyrim that love x87 instructions because the majority of review sites are **** and ran by people who want to bend over for whoever gives them free silicon, and Nvidia and Intel just love to throw in a free handjob when they get done with review sites. Not all of them are bad, but a ton of them are.
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8350 checking in, Just installed her wooot!thumb.gif

Hey Stealthman, I see you're in Ottawa, too. Just wanting to compare notes. Where do you get your computer parts? Do you know of any other decent stores besides Canada Computers for parts?
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Ok thought I would share my overclock experience so far overclocking my 8350, I have found that if you are running a crosshair v f z make sure vrm spread spectrum is disabled in in the digi + options. I hit a stability wall at 4.7ghz at 1.4v. 4.8 would not be stable come hell or high water. I even had my nb up to 1.35v and CPU nb at 1.4v would not help. I enabled the spread spectrum because it says it improves stability we it doesn't.

I am trying for 4.9 now and have found so far that it is important to up you mobo nb voltage and your CPU nb, by doing this I got 4.8 stable with 1.44 vcore I have not added vdda as I was worried it was causing an issue but it wasn't so I'll try that if I can't get 4.9 stable

I hope this helps anyone who is struggling.
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to the guy who was having a go at solders18 for saying the 3770k is equal to the 8350, price for performance he is not far off being right, if you base it on a motherboard and of equal quality and processor the 8350 is substantially cheaper...


I base my argument on what I want from a motherboard and what I have bought, so basically what it would cost me to have what I currently have from an Intel perspective. I only buy the ASUS Formula boards to have the option to run trifire if needed so to get an Intel pc it would cost me:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-540-AS&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=2261

£319.99

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-417-IN&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=567

£259.99

So £579.98

Or you can go AMD like I did and get the following:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-336-AM&groupid=701&catid=1967&subcat=1825

£149.99

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-461-AS

£183.98

So £333.97

That's £246.01 difference, you can't tell me that the 3770K is going to give me 70% more performance on Single and multithreaded apps?
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to the guy who was having a go at solders18 for saying the 3770k is equal to the 8350, price for performance he is not far off being right, if you base it on a motherboard and of equal quality and processor the 8350 is substantially cheaper...
I base my argument on what I want from a motherboard and what I have bought, so basically what it would cost me to have what I currently have from an Intel perspective. I only buy the ASUS Formula boards to have the option to run trifire if needed so to get an Intel pc it would cost me:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-540-AS&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=2261
£319.99
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-417-IN&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=567
£259.99
So £579.98
Or you can go AMD like I did and get the following:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-336-AM&groupid=701&catid=1967&subcat=1825
£149.99
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-461-AS
£183.98
So £333.97
That's £246.01 difference, you can't tell me that the 3770K is going to give me 70% more performance on Single and multithreaded apps?

30% - 50% clock for clock. Single threaded
20% - 40% clock for clock in Multi threaded.
However your in Europe i do not know pricing there.

And you have to have a brand... of ROG Asus boards... you do not need a highend board to OC IB..
IB will hit the same clocks on a 100$ board as it will a 400$ board.. Intels Z77 Chip set is that much better...
Excluding LN2 overclocking.

Tri fire? there are much Cheaper boards then the ROG that run Tri fire.. and with PCi-e 3.0 bandwidth.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-387-GI This one runs 16x16x or 8x8x8x8x pci-e 3.0.
    
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30% - 50% clock for clock. Single threaded
20% - 40% clock for clock in Multi threaded.
However your in Europe i do not know pricing there.
And you have to have a brand... of ROG Asus boards... you do not need a highend board to OC IB..
IB will hit the same clocks on a 100$ board as it will a 400$ board.. Intels Z77 Chip set is that much better...
Excluding LN2 overclocking.
Tri fire? there are much Cheaper boards then the ROG that run Tri fire.. and with PCi-e 3.0 bandwidth.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-387-GI This one runs 16x16x or 8x8x8x8x pci-e 3.0.
And Please if somebody attacks me with nonsense i will post 8 pages of benchmarks to back my claims up.. so do not bother.

So my point stands if you insist on having the best quality motherboards, which I do because I believe the motherboard is the single most important component in a rig, then performance per pound the 8350 is the better choice.

I would never recommend below the quality of a UD3 mobo and personally I would never buy less than a UD5 or a sabretooth and on all of those mentioned boards you can get a very good overclock just look at the beginning of this thread...
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So my point stands if you insist on having the best quality motherboards, which I do because I believe the motherboard is the single most important component in a rig, then performance per pound the 8350 is the better choice.
I would never recommend below the quality of a UD3 mobo and personally I would never buy less than a UD5 or a sabretooth and on all of those mentioned boards you can get a very good overclock just look at the beginning of this thread...

You do not get what im saying.

Intel's Z77 chip set MB is not so important You will get the Same Overclock with a 100$ board as you will with a 400$ board.. it is not so with AM3 + however.

Also in the States you can get a 3770k for 229$ at MC Fry's and Best buy "price match"

And a 3570k for 169$ in all the same stores.

Example.. this will overclock just as well as this

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G45 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($113.41 @ NCIX US)
Total: $413.40
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-23 06:35 EST-0500)

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CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus Maximus V Extreme EATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($366.18 @ NCIX US)
Total: $666.17
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-23 06:35 EST-0500)

And the mother board is not the most important thing in your rig.... Your Power supply is by a long shot.
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My FX-8350 has the same batch number: "1237". Is there a database setup yet to start trying to figure out any overclocking patterns for batches? I know there are many more variables, such as cooling, temps, etc. which play an important role, but eventually, it would be nice to compile said database.
Still waiting for the word that my Gigabyte 990FXA-UD7 has arrived.
I've had batch 1236 and 1237 FX-8320s so far. The 1237 had a stock vid of 1.4v but overclocks a little better, or atleast lower temps.
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well the 8350 is going to outperform the i5
Not in single-theaded apps and most games. I love my AMD chips but this is just not completely true.
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Even at stock? for gaming?
See above,
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I am just scared that amd will go out of bussiness frown.gif
I might get the 8350 with Sabertooth R2.0
AMD will not go out of business for a long time. They supply a lot of OEM chips and do very well in other areas aside from desktop enthusiast chips.
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30% - 50% clock for clock. Single threaded
20% - 40% clock for clock in Multi threaded.
However your in Europe i do not know pricing there.
And you have to have a brand... of ROG Asus boards... you do not need a highend board to OC IB..
IB will hit the same clocks on a 100$ board as it will a 400$ board.. Intels Z77 Chip set is that much better...
Excluding LN2 overclocking.
Tri fire? there are much Cheaper boards then the ROG that run Tri fire.. and with PCi-e 3.0 bandwidth.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-387-GI This one runs 16x16x or 8x8x8x8x pci-e 3.0.
And Please if somebody attacks me with nonsense i will post 8 pages of benchmarks to back my claims up.. so do not bother.
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You do not get what im saying.
Intel's Z77 chip set MB is not so important You will get the Same Overclock with a 100$ board as you will with a 400$ board.. it is not so with AM3 + however.
Also in the States you can get a 3770k for 229$ at MC Fry's and Best buy "price match"
And a 3570k for 169$ in all the same stores.

I hate to agree with this dude because I find him annoying and intrusive. It's true though, if you just want to game and dont really like to tinker, then an i5 ivy bridge and a $100-$125 Z77 board is probably the way to go. I will tell you that its no fun to overclock and you will be done in about 20 minutes. The performance is pretty good though. You don't need a badass mobo to overclock and Ivy. Whereas you benefit from a more expensive mobo with the Vishera chips. It's an enthusiast market and all of use AMD enthusiasts know what we want. We want Vishera because most of us had AM3+ boards, it performs great, and its reasonably priced. If I were buying a new system to play games and browse, and not spend any time overclocking, then it would be an Ivy bridge. I like to tinker and thats why I go AMD. Besides when the game I play already gets 75FPS with Vishera, I dont care if I get 80FPS with Ivy, as long as its over 60 I'm good.
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Just ignore/report him and move on, there is a lot of useful info in this thread and it has helped many, lets not let it get derailed into a fan debate, there is enough of those on OCN already.
+1....lot of infos but tbh...what a big salad! not easy to find detailed guidance, answers and tweaks wink.gif
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I've had batch 1236 and 1237 FX-8320s so far. The 1237 had a stock vid of 1.4v but overclocks a little better, or atleast lower temps.
Not in single-theaded apps and most games. I love my AMD chips but this is just not completely true.
See above,
AMD will not go out of business for a long time. They supply a lot of OEM chips and do very well in other areas aside from desktop enthusiast chips.
I hate to agree with this dude because I find him annoying and intrusive. It's true though, if you just want to game and dont really like to tinker, then an i5 ivy bridge and a $100-$125 Z77 board is probably the way to go. I will tell you that its no fun to overclock and you will be done in about 20 minutes. The performance is pretty good though. You don't need a badass mobo to overclock and Ivy. Whereas you benefit from a more expensive mobo with the Vishera chips. It's an enthusiast market and all of use AMD enthusiasts know what we want. We want Vishera because most of us had AM3+ boards, it performs great, and its reasonably priced. If I were buying a new system to play games and browse, and not spend any time overclocking, then it would be an Ivy bridge. I like to tinker and thats why I go AMD. Besides when the game I play already gets 75FPS with Vishera, I dont care if I get 80FPS with Ivy, as long as its over 60 I'm good.

I don't disagree that new builds or pure gaming builds are likely best with Intel in mind (some cases those A10-5700's are pretty appealing for general purpose workstations), but I do disagree with the notion that Vishera has no place, especially when you have so many who have am3+ boards already and you have deals like this:

8350 for 189$
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=76932&vpn=FD8350FRHKBOX&manufacture=AMD&promoid=1030

It's to much to spend all the time to sell 990fx board/ buy Intel board/ wait for 3770k deal, and then wipe/reload (especially us devs which could take days to get all the development software back on and activated), when you can spend a tiny bit, and hold off until haswell comes out or steamroller and see what the next gen offers. So the time is money equation also equates to being an effector on decision, for those who run little software and a few games, this issue is minor, I however am not one of those people.

Also there is always the notion that some people might use more than 2 full speed sata3 6gbps drives (like me) and buying a 300dollar raid card to support those drives when the 990fx boards already do it (z77 chipset only supports 2, rest are sata2, external marvel controllers are not very reliable for heavy workloads and data loss is not cool so they do not count) would just be more budget that doesn't work out for a minor upgrade, this was actually one of the bigger reasons I caved on sticking with my 990fx and NOT going ivy (besides the haswell is out in march thing).
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