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Originally Posted by neurotix View Post

Guys, remember that CPU-NB doesn't give linear increases in performance like with Phenom II.

As stated, you MUST raise the CPU-NB to be at a minimum of what your DRAM is. So, 2400mhz CPUNB for 2400mhz RAM, 2600 CPUNB for 2600mhz RAM, and so on.

However, overclocking your CPU-NB further than that will give you no extra performance, make your chip run hotter, and make your system less stable.



You can see from that, and also from this thread, that CPU-NB AND HTT link make almost no performance difference in most benchmarks. (Notice the difference in Cinebench between all the different settings is small and often within the margin of error.) Sure, it's for Bulldozer but Vishera is no different. You can test for yourself using different settings while keeping the CPU and RAM speeds constant, and running Cinebench, or even AIDA64 cache and memory test.

CPU-NB and HTT Link are basically the Ring Bus/Uncore of AMD.

Phenom II is completely different, of course, where overclocking the CPU-NB brought linear gains in RAM bandwidth, latency, cache bandwidth across all levels, and latency. smile.gif

this is just not 100% true
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I'll just point out my experience I guess. Could be wrong but these were what I have gathered so far.

CPU-NB OC'ing is board/chip dependent. I haven't been able to defeat my AIDA scores on a UD3 rev 3 at 4.8 even with 5.0GHz on a Kitty. CPU-NB plays well at up to 2800 on my UD3 while Kitty tops at 2600 to produce constant boost in benchmarks.

CPU-NB near your Chip/mobo limit will bring you more errors than performance boost. Unless you have a perfectly stable set-up with fairly high CPU-NB and OC'd RAM, you won't and can't simply say the boost wasn't there.

IT's there. But you will have to find that sweet spot where things play along well overall.

Pretty much the same thing with FSB OC..
this is true
my chip has always ( and all chips i have owned ) like to be a few hundred mhz over my ram
neurotix only used 1866, so he was already over it
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304 fsb?
How high can these guys go, lol.

I will give it a try when I get home. I've only used fsb overclock untill around 250mhz

The highest I have gone so far with FSB.


i have booted with 350 fsb so i probably coulda got it stable
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post #39922 of 67694
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i have booted with 350 fsb so i probably coulda got it stable

This was not stable at all, but I was able to play a round of BF4 and surf a little.
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I know i was toeing that thin line at very least with that post.. I think i can afford one of them nasty red marks to say what needed to be said.

plus side... kept the profanity outta this one biggrin.gif
I am running my Fx8350 @ 4.715 ghz, and with a single 780 6gb gpu and 3way Nvidia Surround @ 5760x1080p, 12gb gskill 1600mhz ram, i get a steady 60fps-- adding in my 2nd 780 6gb oc in sli, getting 75-80 fps on BF4
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Guys how much power can 18AWG wire handle at 12V. I am trying to replace the cables and stuff for my burnt out ATX 12V cable myself. However the old cable I had was 16AWG. The ones I got are 18AWG. Will the 18AWG be enough?
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Jimm's pc store sell's on finland intel 910 ssd's with big sale, 400gb 190€ and 800gb 400€ "murosale" (murobbs forum users get sometimes big sale's from jimm's but this... and this is third time with those ssd¨s mad.gif )

I would like to throw now my pc third time out of window mad.gif
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Guys how much power can 18AWG wire handle at 12V. I am trying to replace the cables and stuff for my burnt out ATX 12V cable myself. However the old cable I had was 16AWG. The ones I got are 18AWG. Will the 18AWG be enough?


Heres a chart from my offroad friends. Using an automotive system which operates at 12v wire amp guide
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Guys how much power can 18AWG wire handle at 12V. I am trying to replace the cables and stuff for my burnt out ATX 12V cable myself. However the old cable I had was 16AWG. The ones I got are 18AWG. Will the 18AWG be enough?

You want at least the same guage or heavier Alastair. Having a lighter wire in the middle will put you back in the same boat again with the 18AWG heating up from the current. SO I would say 16 or 14. This is for the extension or are you making a whole new lead from the PSU. Either way at least 16 guage.
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I know i was toeing that thin line at very least with that post.. I think i can afford one of them nasty red marks to say what needed to be said.

plus side... kept the profanity outta this one biggrin.gif
I am running my Fx8350 @ 4.715 ghz, and with a single 780 6gb gpu and 3way Nvidia Surround @ 5760x1080p, 12gb gskill 1600mhz ram, i get a steady 60fps-- adding in my 2nd 780 6gb oc in sli, getting 75-80 fps on BF4

eh... whats with the post necromancy... that specific topic kinda needs to stay dead...its for the good of the thread...

and what is it with people using odd ram configs... 4-8-16-32-64-128, no clue why someone would try 6 or 12 :/

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Guys how much power can 18AWG wire handle at 12V. I am trying to replace the cables and stuff for my burnt out ATX 12V cable myself. However the old cable I had was 16AWG. The ones I got are 18AWG. Will the 18AWG be enough?

eh.. stick with 16awg the lower the number the thicker and bigger the wire gauge. the thicker and bigger the wire the more power and amperage it can carry, you could be setting yourself up for another burn out dropping an AWG
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Sorry Sgt Bilko, i was confusing you with Flailshlamp. He had that settings with that high score. Seems unlikely to me because he has everything lower than me and some how he scored higher in physics.

I am revering to this page: http://www.overclock.net/t/1318995/official-fx-8320-fx-8350-vishera-owners-club/39830

ya mean these?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1318995/official-fx-8320-fx-8350-vishera-owners-club/39800_100#post_22837201

http://www.overclock.net/t/1318995/official-fx-8320-fx-8350-vishera-owners-club/39800_100#post_22837396

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That's the only mention i found of it but anyways.

I'd say Flail has his memory pretty well tuned if i had to guess.

Yes indeed, but that does not explain those scores.

I can do 2000Mhz ram at 8-9-9-24 CR1 and i don't get his scores, even with 5.3Ghz 2750 CPU/NB... let alone with his settings.. there is no way that there is such an huge improvement in scores when using another board.

I am not saying that he is lying tho but with those clocks you will never get that high physics score..

There are intricacies about this set up. CHVFZ its hard to take settings from this board and expect them to work on any other... even the saber kitty has trouble replicating settings and results when you've got a CHVFz opened up.

with these FX chip is not always a more is better.. (not everything is vcore related LMAO ) there is alot of balance to be had.

ALSO, something Sgt. bilko knows about as well is the Two graphics card physic buff
I wasn't running SLI as it was a 780 ti + 680 but i've noticed when using two card, weather or not both are used, cpu based scores increase.

When I rerun with one card i doubt i would break 10250 physics.

Getting back to the Balance aspect. Memory speed and Cpu/nb kinda go hand in hand.

there was a reason i dropped 200mhz off my cpu/nb from my 24/7 oc, also there was also a reason i dropped 400mhz on my ram.

Firestrike doesn't care for fast ram, it want low latency ram. 3DM11 I'd leave it where it was. it likes faster ram.

In my experiance, I don't see the point of going over 2700mhz on the cpu/nb unless you are trying to nail much higher frequencies like 2600+mhz on ram.
considering i need pretty much 1.4volts in bios for my cpu to run 2700mhz and 2400mhz found it was an exponential scale after that(think vcore voltwall)

if you are running @ 2000mhz ram like i was you don't need much higher then stock to achieve good scores. 2500mhz works well with 2000mhz ram.

most of these timing were actually Auto'd as i dind't care to tweak them from my 24/7 2400mhz ram.

All i did was took my 24/7 overclock tweaked a few things for different values hit the multi a few times and just kept raising vcore.

Also taking into account each chip is different, my chip doesn't want to do much more then 4.65 full stable (at-least under my cooling), but she benches real purdy like
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What i would try to tweak next? rolleyes.gif
    
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eh... whats with the post necromancy... that specific topic kinda needs to stay dead...its for the good of the thread...

and what is it with people using odd ram configs... 4-8-16-32-64-128, no clue why someone would try 6 or 12 :/
eh.. stick with 16awg the lower the number the thicker and bigger the wire gauge. the thicker and bigger the wire the more power and amperage it can carry, you could be setting yourself up for another burn out dropping an AWG
ya mean these?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1318995/official-fx-8320-fx-8350-vishera-owners-club/39800_100#post_22837201

http://www.overclock.net/t/1318995/official-fx-8320-fx-8350-vishera-owners-club/39800_100#post_22837396
There are intricacies about this set up. CHVFZ its hard to take settings from this board and expect them to work on any other... even the saber kitty has trouble replicating settings and results when you've got a CHVFz opened up.

with these FX chip is not always a more is better.. (not everything is vcore related LMAO ) there is alot of balance to be had.

ALSO, something Sgt. bilko knows about as well is the Two graphics card physic buff
I wasn't running SLI as it was a 780 ti + 680 but i've noticed when using two card, weather or not both are used, cpu based scores increase.

When I rerun with one card i doubt i would break 10250 physics.

Getting back to the Balance aspect. Memory speed and Cpu/nb kinda go hand in hand.

there was a reason i dropped 200mhz off my cpu/nb from my 24/7 oc, also there was also a reason i dropped 400mhz on my ram.

Firestrike doesn't care for fast ram, it want low latency ram. 3DM11 I'd leave it where it was. it likes faster ram.

In my experiance, I don't see the point of going over 2700mhz on the cpu/nb unless you are trying to nail much higher frequencies like 2600+mhz on ram.
considering i need pretty much 1.4volts in bios for my cpu to run 2700mhz and 2400mhz found it was an exponential scale after that(think vcore voltwall)

if you are running @ 2000mhz ram like i was you don't need much higher then stock to achieve good scores. 2500mhz works well with 2000mhz ram.

most of these timing were actually Auto'd as i dind't care to tweak them from my 24/7 2400mhz ram.

All i did was took my 24/7 overclock tweaked a few things for different values hit the multi a few times and just kept raising vcore.

Also taking into account each chip is different, my chip doesn't want to do much more then 4.65 full stable (at-least under my cooling), but she benches real purdy like


Yes exactly, those scores.

hmm i wonder why the crosshair formulaZ is that much of an better board, could it be that the extra 4pin connector delivers that little power to the CPU so that it overclocks better?

So you are saying that physics scores increase with multiple GPU's? Are you not confusing physX with physics? those 2 are way different, what i know is that nvidia has an dedicated chip for physX and physics is only done by CPU but like i said, that is what i know of it so i could be wrong tho. I do know that you can set physX to auto CPU or GPU.

I know that multiple GPU's score higher in graphics for obvious reasons but didn't know about physics as well. If its true what you say than how is it possible that i get such high scores with an relatively weak GPU compare to you?

It is not that i am jealous about your scores and that you beat me but i find it kinda strange that the scores vary that much.
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