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What i would try to tweak next? rolleyes.gif
Definately the ram if you can. It's running CL11 at 1333, that's way to slow. If you post up the SPD tab from CPUz maybe someone can give you some pointers. I would at least set it to 1600 CL8 or 1866 CL9 and go from there
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Definately the ram if you can. It's running CL11 at 1333, that's way to slow. If you post up the SPD tab from CPUz maybe someone can give you some pointers. I would at least set it to 1600 CL8 or 1866 CL9 and go from there

there is just one problem, not sure how stable those are on 1600mhz, gskill's are maby max 1600mhz, i would use my kingston hyperX blue what can reach 1333mhz->1866mhz but last time i wasnt able to get both work, so i have to test those more

But, here we go

i hope this help enought
    
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this is just not 100% true
this is true
my chip has always ( and all chips i have owned ) like to be a few hundred mhz over my ram
neurotix only used 1866, so he was already over it
i have booted with 350 fsb so i probably coulda got it stable

I used the same RAM I have now for the whole time I ran my Vishera.

Samsung 30nm "Wonder RAM" 2400mhz CL10. (That's a lot better than a lot of people here.)

And regardless, OCing the CPU-NB NEVER gave any more performance. It might give a tiny, imperceptible increase in L3 cache bandwidth but that's it. And in AIDA64 cache and memory benchmark, it was still well within the margin of error and largely negated because of that anyway.

Unlike SOME people, I ran a Vishera for over a year with high speed RAM at 5ghz daily. I also ran more than one Phenom II. And I've benchmarked them both for HWBOT and know them inside and out. Vishera is NOT like Phenom II, where overclocking the CPU-NB gave a huge boost to RAM and cache bandwidth and latency.

I'm not the only one saying this, look all over anandtech, look at major review sites, look on HWBOT at maxxmem, and gosh... actually DO the testing yourself. CPU-NB on Bulldozer based chips give 1) no performance and 2) makes your system unstable. That's all it's good for.
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there is just one problem, not sure how stable those are on 1600mhz, gskill's are maby max 1600mhz, i would use my kingston hyperX blue what can reach 1333mhz->1866mhz but last time i wasnt able to get both work, so i have to test those more

But, here we go

i hope this help enought

I know all chips are not created equal, but is that the lowest vcore you can run at 4.6ghz stable?

Mine runs stable at 4.6ghz on 1.35v.

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I used the same RAM I have now for the whole time I ran my Vishera.

Samsung 30nm "Wonder RAM" 2400mhz CL10. (That's a lot better than a lot of people here.)

I love my Sammies....
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I know all chips are not created equal, but is that the lowest vcore you can run at 4.6ghz stable?

Mine runs stable at 4.6ghz on 1.35v.
I love my Sammies....

I love mine too. Though, I'm trying to sell them on Amazon right now so I can get this kit. DDR3-2600mhz CAS 10? Yes please.

I tried OCing my Samsung to 2600mhz CAS11, took 1.7v. It booted into Windows and I was able to run AIDA64 memory test. My bandwidth was only 23gb/sec Read, which is close to what they get at stock 1600mhz. At 2400mhz it's 35gb/sec. Of course, all the other bandwidth scores were around the same level. So passing 2400mhz actually reduces performance a great deal. That's why I want to upgrade.
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eh... whats with the post necromancy... that specific topic kinda needs to stay dead...its for the good of the thread...

and what is it with people using odd ram configs... 4-8-16-32-64-128, no clue why someone would try 6 or 12 :/
eh.. stick with 16awg the lower the number the thicker and bigger the wire gauge. the thicker and bigger the wire the more power and amperage it can carry, you could be setting yourself up for another burn out dropping an AWG
ya mean these?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1318995/official-fx-8320-fx-8350-vishera-owners-club/39800_100#post_22837201

http://www.overclock.net/t/1318995/official-fx-8320-fx-8350-vishera-owners-club/39800_100#post_22837396
There are intricacies about this set up. CHVFZ its hard to take settings from this board and expect them to work on any other... even the saber kitty has trouble replicating settings and results when you've got a CHVFz opened up.

with these FX chip is not always a more is better.. (not everything is vcore related LMAO ) there is alot of balance to be had.

ALSO, something Sgt. bilko knows about as well is the Two graphics card physic buff
I wasn't running SLI as it was a 780 ti + 680 but i've noticed when using two card, weather or not both are used, cpu based scores increase.

When I rerun with one card i doubt i would break 10250 physics.

Getting back to the Balance aspect. Memory speed and Cpu/nb kinda go hand in hand.

there was a reason i dropped 200mhz off my cpu/nb from my 24/7 oc, also there was also a reason i dropped 400mhz on my ram.

Firestrike doesn't care for fast ram, it want low latency ram. 3DM11 I'd leave it where it was. it likes faster ram.

In my experiance, I don't see the point of going over 2700mhz on the cpu/nb unless you are trying to nail much higher frequencies like 2600+mhz on ram.
considering i need pretty much 1.4volts in bios for my cpu to run 2700mhz and 2400mhz found it was an exponential scale after that(think vcore voltwall)

if you are running @ 2000mhz ram like i was you don't need much higher then stock to achieve good scores. 2500mhz works well with 2000mhz ram.

most of these timing were actually Auto'd as i dind't care to tweak them from my 24/7 2400mhz ram.

All i did was took my 24/7 overclock tweaked a few things for different values hit the multi a few times and just kept raising vcore.

Also taking into account each chip is different, my chip doesn't want to do much more then 4.65 full stable (at-least under my cooling),
but she benches real purdy like


Yes exactly, those scores.

hmm i wonder why the crosshair formulaZ is that much of an better board, could it be that the extra 4pin connector delivers that little power to the CPU so that it overclocks better?

So you are saying that physics scores increase with multiple GPU's? Are you not confusing physX with physics? those 2 are way different, what i know is that nvidia has an dedicated chip for physX and physics is only done by CPU but like i said, that is what i know of it so i could be wrong tho. I do know that you can set physX to auto CPU or GPU.

I know that multiple GPU's score higher in graphics for obvious reasons but didn't know about physics as well. If its true what you say than how is it possible that i get such high scores with an relatively weak GPU compare to you?

It is not that i am jealous about your scores and that you beat me but i find it kinda strange that the scores vary that much.

well my 4 pin is attached, forgot bout it until you mentioned it.. had to check. its ram performance that the chvfz excels.

I know 3dm doesn't use physX, but having the second 16x populated seems to boost cpu performance for some unknown reason. Bilko running non crossfire with both cards in there has also seen this occurrence.

Silicone is grown.. that is how there can be so much variance.
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I love mine too. Though, I'm trying to sell them on Amazon right now so I can get this kit. DDR3-2600mhz CAS 10? Yes please.

I tried OCing my Samsung to 2600mhz CAS11, took 1.7v. It booted into Windows and I was able to run AIDA64 memory test. My bandwidth was only 23gb/sec Read, which is close to what they get at stock 1600mhz. At 2400mhz it's 35gb/sec. Of course, all the other bandwidth scores were around the same level. So passing 2400mhz actually reduces performance a great deal. That's why I want to upgrade.

I was able to run mine at 2700mhz on 1.65v and they ran great... 2800mhz is a little harder to reach.... With this 8350 I don't need super fast ram and run them @ 1600mhz/CL7 or 1866/CL8....

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For those that are interested, the 8370E arrived today smile.gif

I don't have much time to play with it today, but here's what I've done so far. ( I'd post screenshots but I haven't gotten the drivers etc installed on the test rig yet)

Batch is 1432

VID is 1.26 and it idles down to .8 volts.

Passed wprime 32 - 1.36 volts 4.9 ghz - 5 ghz needed 1.4 volts ( loaded voltages).
Went to 5.2 ghz before blue screening on 1.4 volts. ( 1.4 set in bios, LLC high, no load whatsoever)

Way too early to tell what I can do as a fully stable OC, take the numbers above with a HUGE grain of salt. I should get some time in the next few days to put it through the paces, better hold off judgement until then.

Going to do a clean win 7 install etc , will take a little time to properly get it set up.

I'm thinking it will be very strong for validations and less than 100% load benchmarks , but may not be able to match the 9370 for maximum prime stable clockspeed. Time will tell if this proves to be true.
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For those that are interested, the 8370E arrived today smile.gif

I don't have much time to play with it today, but here's what I've done so far. ( I'd post screenshots but I haven't gotten the drivers etc installed on the test rig yet)

Batch is 1432

VID is 1.26 and it idles down to .8 volts.

Passed wprime 32 - 1.36 volts 4.9 ghz - 5 ghz needed 1.4 volts ( loaded voltages).
Went to 5.2 ghz before blue screening on 1.4 volts. ( 1.4 set in bios, LLC high, no load whatsoever)

Way too early to tell what I can do as a fully stable OC, take the numbers above with a HUGE grain of salt. I should get some time in the next few days to put it through the paces, better hold off judgement until then.

Going to do a clean win 7 install etc , will take a little time to properly get it set up.

I'm thinking it will be very strong for validations and less than 100% load benchmarks , but may not be able to match the 9370 for maximum prime stable clockspeed. Time will tell if this proves to be true.

nice

looking forward to the screenies biggrin.gif
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eh... whats with the post necromancy... that specific topic kinda needs to stay dead...its for the good of the thread...

and what is it with people using odd ram configs... 4-8-16-32-64-128, no clue why someone would try 6 or 12 :/
eh.. stick with 16awg the lower the number the thicker and bigger the wire gauge. the thicker and bigger the wire the more power and amperage it can carry, you could be setting yourself up for another burn out dropping an AWG
ya mean these?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1318995/official-fx-8320-fx-8350-vishera-owners-club/39800_100#post_22837201

http://www.overclock.net/t/1318995/official-fx-8320-fx-8350-vishera-owners-club/39800_100#post_22837396
There are intricacies about this set up. CHVFZ its hard to take settings from this board and expect them to work on any other... even the saber kitty has trouble replicating settings and results when you've got a CHVFz opened up.

with these FX chip is not always a more is better.. (not everything is vcore related LMAO ) there is alot of balance to be had.

ALSO, something Sgt. bilko knows about as well is the Two graphics card physic buff
I wasn't running SLI as it was a 780 ti + 680 but i've noticed when using two card, weather or not both are used, cpu based scores increase.

When I rerun with one card i doubt i would break 10250 physics.

Getting back to the Balance aspect. Memory speed and Cpu/nb kinda go hand in hand.

there was a reason i dropped 200mhz off my cpu/nb from my 24/7 oc, also there was also a reason i dropped 400mhz on my ram.

Firestrike doesn't care for fast ram, it want low latency ram. 3DM11 I'd leave it where it was. it likes faster ram.

In my experiance, I don't see the point of going over 2700mhz on the cpu/nb unless you are trying to nail much higher frequencies like 2600+mhz on ram.
considering i need pretty much 1.4volts in bios for my cpu to run 2700mhz and 2400mhz found it was an exponential scale after that(think vcore voltwall)

if you are running @ 2000mhz ram like i was you don't need much higher then stock to achieve good scores. 2500mhz works well with 2000mhz ram.

most of these timing were actually Auto'd as i dind't care to tweak them from my 24/7 2400mhz ram.

All i did was took my 24/7 overclock tweaked a few things for different values hit the multi a few times and just kept raising vcore.

Also taking into account each chip is different, my chip doesn't want to do much more then 4.65 full stable (at-least under my cooling),
but she benches real purdy like


Yes exactly, those scores.

hmm i wonder why the crosshair formulaZ is that much of an better board, could it be that the extra 4pin connector delivers that little power to the CPU so that it overclocks better?

So you are saying that physics scores increase with multiple GPU's? Are you not confusing physX with physics? those 2 are way different, what i know is that nvidia has an dedicated chip for physX and physics is only done by CPU but like i said, that is what i know of it so i could be wrong tho. I do know that you can set physX to auto CPU or GPU.

I know that multiple GPU's score higher in graphics for obvious reasons but didn't know about physics as well. If its true what you say than how is it possible that i get such high scores with an relatively weak GPU compare to you?

It is not that i am jealous about your scores and that you beat me but i find it kinda strange that the scores vary that much.

well my 4 pin is attached, forgot bout it until you mentioned it.. had to check. its ram performance that the chvfz excels.

I know 3dm doesn't use physX, but having the second 16x populated seems to boost cpu performance for some unknown reason. Bilko running non crossfire with both cards in there has also seen this occurrence.

Silicone is grown.. that is how there can be so much variance.

Yup, Single card physics sucks, no idea why this happens but it does.

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/1642523

Highest Single Card score so far: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2002510
 
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Ryzen Threadripper 1950x (ES) X399 Aorus Gaming 7 Sapphire RX Vega 64 32GB TridentZ RGB 
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240GB HyperX Predator 500GB Samsung 850 Evo 2TB Firecuda EK Predator 360 
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Win 10 Pro Phillips 349X7FJEW LG 34UM95 Logitech G910 
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Corsair AX1200i Thermaltake Core X9 Logitech G502 Star Citizen Drake Goliath 
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Logitech G933 
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Ryzen 5 1600 MSI X370 Xpower Gaming Titanium  RX580 Red Devil 16GB Corsair Vengeance LED 
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Samsung 960 Evo OCZ Trion 150 Fractal Design Kelvin S36 Win 10 Pro 
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Nixeus NX-VUE24A Thermaltake Poseidon Z RGB Thermaltake Toughpower Grand RGB 750w Thermaltake View 31 RGB 
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Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum 
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FX-8370 Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z R9 290x 16GB G.Skill TridentX 2400Mhz 
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Samsung 840 Evo 250GB Samsung External Blu-Ray Burner Fractal Design Kelvin S36 Windows 10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Whatever Logitech G19 Silverstone ST1200w CM Storm Trooper 
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Logitech G502 Star Citizen Drake Goliath Logitech X530 5.1 Logitech G930 7.1 Wireless Headset 
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