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Duh!

Do you realize that you have been giving out false and contradicting info on every post you make?


Summary:

1. I used the same RAM I have now for the whole time I ran my Vishera.

Samsung 30nm "Wonder RAM" 2400mhz CL10. (That's a lot better than a lot of people here.)

My Vishera is an older one from 2012.


I also only have G.skill Sniper 1866 RAM in it, and I'm not putting my Samsung in it.



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2. Unlike SOME people, I ran a Vishera for over a year with high speed RAM at 5ghz daily

It's also in a backup system that doesn't overclock well because it has a poor cooler


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3. look on HWBOT at maxxmem, and gosh

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4. If you're tweaking the FSB, that may be why.

If you post RAM and cache bandwidth scores, without tweaking the FSB, taken from a newer AIDA64 with BenchDLL 4.x, and only change the CPU-NB, and the scores are higher, then I will gladly change my mind and retract my previous statements.

Go pick a Giga Board and try 2400 via CPU-NB Multi. You'll see the point why FSB needs to be raised.


5. DO the testing yourself. CPU-NB on Bulldozer based chips give 1) no performance and 2) makes your system unstable. That's all it's good for

No performance gains on your own tests. Not everyone's

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I have been reading these statements about fsb clocking. On my system, multiplier overclocking alone yields lower single threaded performance (cinebench). With a combiniation of fsb and multiplier, I do get about 10 more points on cinebench.

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Guys how much power can 18AWG wire handle at 12V. I am trying to replace the cables and stuff for my burnt out ATX 12V cable myself. However the old cable I had was 16AWG. The ones I got are 18AWG. Will the 18AWG be enough?

You want at least the same guage or heavier Alastair. Having a lighter wire in the middle will put you back in the same boat again with the 18AWG heating up from the current. SO I would say 16 or 14. This is for the extension or are you making a whole new lead from the PSU. Either way at least 16 guage.
really wont matter as he will be more limited by the pins, the pins are designed to accept 18ga not 16, the only i know that take 16 well are the fat 4 pins
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this is just not 100% true
this is true
my chip has always ( and all chips i have owned ) like to be a few hundred mhz over my ram
neurotix only used 1866, so he was already over it
i have booted with 350 fsb so i probably coulda got it stable

I used the same RAM I have now for the whole time I ran my Vishera.

Samsung 30nm "Wonder RAM" 2400mhz CL10. (That's a lot better than a lot of people here.)

And regardless, OCing the CPU-NB NEVER gave any more performance. It might give a tiny, imperceptible increase in L3 cache bandwidth but that's it. And in AIDA64 cache and memory benchmark, it was still well within the margin of error and largely negated because of that anyway.

Unlike SOME people, I ran a Vishera for over a year with high speed RAM at 5ghz daily. I also ran more than one Phenom II. And I've benchmarked them both for HWBOT and know them inside and out. Vishera is NOT like Phenom II, where overclocking the CPU-NB gave a huge boost to RAM and cache bandwidth and latency.

I'm not the only one saying this, look all over anandtech, look at major review sites, look on HWBOT at maxxmem, and gosh... actually DO the testing yourself. CPU-NB on Bulldozer based chips give 1) no performance and 2) makes your system unstable. That's all it's good for.

unlike MOST people i have run 2400 as long as i could, dont believe me look back through this thread although i am not much of a ram guy, at higher ram speeds as i explained it helps.

i never said the "helping" never ended, but in all the tests you posted, your ram was 1866, not 2400. where as mine is 2400, my scores are lower in physics then hurr in 3dm11 but that is due to the fact that i run 8gb sticks and he runs 4, also i can come close to his scores, they do help, day to day maybe not noticeably , benching yes,

also maxxmem is not a good tool for amd, as it is erroneous you have to use adia or other benches
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I found a use for a high CPU-NB and RAM not limited to benching.

WinRAR baby!

Sure a couple of seconds cut off every minute of the Extraction and Compression time is not enough to give you too much joy, but it's there.
Edited by mus1mus - 9/15/14 at 5:12pm
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So obviously some people can't read, or even be bothered to click my rig links in my sig.

I THOUGHT I made it quite clear. I ran my Vishera with 2400mhz Samsung RAM for the entire time it was in my rig. Big Red, as seen below. However, I switched to Intel because it's leagues ahead of AMD, and it's crappy chips from 2012 on a socket that's basically been around since 2008 (AM2) with no viable upgrade path that is barely competitive with Intel's first gen Cores from 2009. And no enthusiast releases planned for the future.


The Vishera + CHVF is now in the rig "Blue", which is my girlfriend's system, which currently has 1866 RAM.

Again, for the entire time my FX-8350 was in my system, I ran it with 2400mhz RAM. All of the benchmarks I've been posting in this thread since fricken 2012 reflect that. (If you would actually be bothered to go back through the thread and look.)

Until you actually post proof.gif and run the benchmarks showing the increases and difference, just stop talking.

Oh, and learn to read.
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If you can't tell the difference between these, then don't say anything. They contain all the pertinent information you need concerning Northbridge speed and RAM speed and timings.

(Yes, I know the RAM is running single channel. My girlfriend put the board in and put them in the wrong slots. The cooler covers them and I don't care enough to take the heatsink off to get the RAM running dual channel. I highly doubt it matters anyway. I'm not willing to go through all that effort right now just for you people.)

Woohoo, marginally increased L3 cache performance. On a gimped L3 cache that isn't even a real L3 cache and makes no difference in performance. Seriously, ask the guys with the Vishera based Athlon 760ks in that club. They get the same benchmark scores without the L3 cache as the other real Vishera parts with it.

What actually matters, the RAM bandwidth and L1/L2 cache performance, is the same. thumb.gif
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doh.gif

another one

here this is JUST done with JUST changing CPU/NB volts ..... NOTHING ELSE Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)






lets see you match it, let alone come close.

please note i do not bench USELESS benches like maxxmem, which again. is USELESS ON AMD

as to the below some are 24/7 some arent
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6521591
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6640467

i have scored 9900 physics as well. but i am not in a give a poop mood to find it you want to search this thread.

it has already been said firestrike prefers low timings not high speed. so if you try to use that, i will point and laugh

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/949265
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/1128677
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/1164782
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/1167159
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/1167180
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/1167226


please feel free to spread your false truths @ hwbot or in intel threads as i am sure they will be well received
ab5a7b59_34858_1437326448106_3502345_n.jpeg

just reread when you said... made me laugh, you seem to think cpu/nb major change is with cache, god that makes me laugh you obviously do not understand the point of ocing cpu/nb, it is for the difference in cpu to ram, at high ram speed not low like 1866 ... is it huge difference no, but benching, every little bit counts.... this is not phenom
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First of all, match it with what? My AMD or Intel setup? (Because my Intel setup absolutely destroys those scores.)

Second of all, what is your point? You posted 5 images of RAM benches from AIDA64 with the CPUNB at the same frequency, 2700mhz. RAM speed was the same too. But in some of them, the CPU is at a different frequency. What does that prove?

Do you understand how this works? In order to prove me wrong, you must do runs with the CPUNB frequency at stock, and then overclocked, and show the difference in RAM speed, as well as cache speed. thumb.gif It needs to be a comparison. What you posted proves nothing. Learn how to benchmark properly.
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If you can't tell the difference between these, then don't say anything. They contain all the pertinent information you need concerning Northbridge speed and RAM speed and timings.

(Yes, I know the RAM is running single channel. My girlfriend put the board in and put them in the wrong slots. The cooler covers them and I don't care enough to take the heatsink off to get the RAM running dual channel. I highly doubt it matters anyway. I'm not willing to go through all that effort right now just for you people.)

Woohoo, marginally increased L3 cache performance. On a gimped L3 cache that isn't even a real L3 cache and makes no difference in performance. Seriously, ask the guys with the Vishera based Athlon 760ks in that club. They get the same benchmark scores without the L3 cache as the other real Vishera parts with it.

What actually matters, the RAM bandwidth and L1/L2 cache performance, is the same. thumb.gif

Dude are you even serious in that test you run?

Single Channel?

And wow.
You just lost 3.5 nS on the latency. How is that a margin of error of sort?

Your 1866 CL 9-10-9-28 is nothing special as well. It is being fully driven by a 2200 MHz CPU-NB. So that bandwidth will not change even if you run your CPU-NB at 3000. You will only notice the Latency to go down.

applaud.gif

Here: Pick the one you like from my DEAD SYSTEM. I am not yet at Home so deal with these first.

For you not to tell me about the effect of the FSB to CPU-NB and my Aida Scores, GIGABYTE UD3 rev 3 does not allow 2400 MHz on Multi alone. HAVE FUN! (Click to show)


















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First of all, match it with what? My AMD or Intel setup? (Because my Intel setup absolutely destroys those scores.)

Second of all, what is your point? You posted 5 images of RAM benches from AIDA64 with the CPUNB at the same frequency, 2700mhz. RAM speed was the same too. But in some of them, the CPU is at a different frequency. What does that prove?

Do you understand how this works? In order to prove me wrong, you must do runs with the CPUNB frequency at stock, and then overclocked, and show the difference in RAM speed, as well as cache speed. thumb.gif It needs to be a comparison. What you posted proves nothing. Learn how to benchmark properly.

no i dont, since you cant see the difference between MINOR tweaks like voltage, you will never understand major tweaks like * insert blank here * everything you needed was in THOSE not other.

you threw down the challenge you failed your own challenge, and bring on your intel i will own that too.

and i wont even pull out my haswell



http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2715982

i come prepared for introls.

if you think i ment your intel.... laugher.gif
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Lol. Again, a bunch of disjointed benchmarks that make absolutely no sense and provide no clarity because they are not a simple comparison.

I can spell it out for you: Keep the RAM speed the same. Keep the HTT the same. Keep the CPU frequency the same. Then, run the test with the CPU-NB at stock. Next, run the test again with the CPUNB overclocked. Provide only those two screenshots showing the comparison between the two different CPUNB speeds in the most simple manner.

The above is exactly what I did, and it is irregardless of the RAM speed or the fact that it's single channel, because I am not trying to get the highest RAM bandwidth score and gloat, I am trying to illustrate the difference between RAM bandwidth vs CPU-NB speed. rolleyes.gif

Apparently, you simpletons cannot understand the difference between my benchmarks or why it matters. Have fun getting random BSODs, random mouse cursor lockups, more heat on your chip, and all the other negative consequences of overclocking the CPUNB and HTT link on Vishera. I can't stop you. But I've done enough tests, and enough benching (3 years worth, and top 200 in the US on hwbot: where's your cred?) to know that it doesn't improve performance.

Here's a tip: if you don't OC the CPUNB and HTT, and leave them at stock as AMD recommends, you increase the stability of the system, but more importantly, you increase the available headroom for overclocking the modules on the CPU. Anyone else reading this: this is why you can't get your Vishera stable at 5ghz.

I'm done. I don't have time for one sided conversations, lack of proof, talking to a brick wall, or people that are so stupid that they can't understand a simple comparison.

Consider this my last post; I don't have the time.
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