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How do you point the gun to the VRM??
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sorry I made an error. Not the VRM's but the chokes next to them. The heatsink sort of hangs over the chokes so I can get a reading from the chokes and caps there and sort of guess that they are indicative of VRM temps. (which of course they might not be at all.) but it's certainly better than the 80+C I was getting running fallers at the same clock speed (with more voltage)

thumb.gif All Good.

That's quite a good improvement indeed..

Mine went down as well.. From the 70s low to high 50s. But that is because of the ambient these past few days.

My Rig tasted what it's like to be in the sub-30s. I was able to push more Vs and still pull out less Cs. biggrin.gif
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How do you point the gun to the VRM??
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sorry I made an error. Not the VRM's but the chokes next to them. The heatsink sort of hangs over the chokes so I can get a reading from the chokes and caps there and sort of guess that they are indicative of VRM temps. (which of course they might not be at all.) but it's certainly better than the 80+C I was getting running fallers at the same clock speed (with more voltage)

thumb.gif All Good.

That's quite a good improvement indeed..

Mine went down as well.. From the 70s low to high 50s. But that is because of the ambient these past few days.

My Rig tasted what it's like to be in the sub-30s. I was able to push more Vs and still pull out less Cs. biggrin.gif
yeah when I first got this chip and mobo I ran fanless on the VRM and also no backside socket fan. Temps were 80C+ for the chokes there at 4.8GHz @1.525V back in the day. After that i decided to ho mad with fans and cooling.
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I was just wondering.. You may be surprised at how little vcore it may take... First thing I did was push it as hard and high of an OC as I could on stock vcore...

Have to test when i have time, i have tofix one laptop to friend, and i trade that to bottle of pastil liquor
    
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eh... whats with the post necromancy... that specific topic kinda needs to stay dead...its for the good of the thread...

and what is it with people using odd ram configs... 4-8-16-32-64-128, no clue why someone would try 6 or 12 :/
eh.. stick with 16awg the lower the number the thicker and bigger the wire gauge. the thicker and bigger the wire the more power and amperage it can carry, you could be setting yourself up for another burn out dropping an AWG
ya mean these?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1318995/official-fx-8320-fx-8350-vishera-owners-club/39800_100#post_22837201

http://www.overclock.net/t/1318995/official-fx-8320-fx-8350-vishera-owners-club/39800_100#post_22837396
There are intricacies about this set up. CHVFZ its hard to take settings from this board and expect them to work on any other... even the saber kitty has trouble replicating settings and results when you've got a CHVFz opened up.

with these FX chip is not always a more is better.. (not everything is vcore related LMAO ) there is alot of balance to be had.

ALSO, something Sgt. bilko knows about as well is the Two graphics card physic buff
I wasn't running SLI as it was a 780 ti + 680 but i've noticed when using two card, weather or not both are used, cpu based scores increase.

When I rerun with one card i doubt i would break 10250 physics.

Getting back to the Balance aspect. Memory speed and Cpu/nb kinda go hand in hand.

there was a reason i dropped 200mhz off my cpu/nb from my 24/7 oc, also there was also a reason i dropped 400mhz on my ram.

Firestrike doesn't care for fast ram, it want low latency ram. 3DM11 I'd leave it where it was. it likes faster ram.

In my experiance, I don't see the point of going over 2700mhz on the cpu/nb unless you are trying to nail much higher frequencies like 2600+mhz on ram.
considering i need pretty much 1.4volts in bios for my cpu to run 2700mhz and 2400mhz found it was an exponential scale after that(think vcore voltwall)

if you are running @ 2000mhz ram like i was you don't need much higher then stock to achieve good scores. 2500mhz works well with 2000mhz ram.

most of these timing were actually Auto'd as i dind't care to tweak them from my 24/7 2400mhz ram.

All i did was took my 24/7 overclock tweaked a few things for different values hit the multi a few times and just kept raising vcore.

Also taking into account each chip is different, my chip doesn't want to do much more then 4.65 full stable (at-least under my cooling), but she benches real purdy like

Proper explanation Flail
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Yes exactly, those scores.

hmm i wonder why the crosshair formulaZ is that much of an better board, could it be that the extra 4pin connector delivers that little power to the CPU so that it overclocks better?

So you are saying that physics scores increase with multiple GPU's? Are you not confusing physX with physics? those 2 are way different, what i know is that nvidia has an dedicated chip for physX and physics is only done by CPU but like i said, that is what i know of it so i could be wrong tho. I do know that you can set physX to auto CPU or GPU.

I know that multiple GPU's score higher in graphics for obvious reasons but didn't know about physics as well. If its true what you say than how is it possible that i get such high scores with an relatively weak GPU compare to you?

It is not that i am jealous about your scores and that you beat me but i find it kinda strange that the scores vary that much.

I keep lolling about your firestrike hype.
And trying to smart off Flail.
That man has his theory covered and knows what he is doing.

Like he said, more is not better.
Make it stable and balanced.

And about the board. There is more to it then just connectors on it.
Even when you compare a Foxconn with a Crosshair you can say: it is pretty similar right? biggrin.gif
It's what's under the hood that counts.

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Proper explanation Flail
I keep lolling about your firestrike hype.
And trying to smart off Flail.
That man has his theory covered and knows what he is doing.

Like he said, more is not better.
Make it stable and balanced.

And about the board. There is more to it then just connectors on it.
Even when you compare a Foxconn with a Crosshair you can say: it is pretty similar right? biggrin.gif
It's what's under the hood that counts.

thumb.gif

Yep he is one of the knowledgeable dudes here and i didn't try to off smart him.
I know more is not better but like i said, i was trying to see how much i can get from this board, how high FSB, CPU/NB etc. and i must say it doesn't disappoint.

Yes there are A LOT more to it than connectors only, i know that. The UD5 is on par with the Sabertooth if not better at some points. The Asus has 5 years warranty yes so? Gigabyte has 3 years and has outstanding warranty policy and i even have the gigabyte dude's sell number.

I mean, there is more to it than ''whats under the hood'' service and quality is just as important than only performance. I mean, Asus RMA department is a nightmare and if you are one of the lucky ones you see your board again if it doesn't disappear in their stock houses witch can take weeks to discover where it went bad.

Luckily i get my UD5 today so i can test it against the Sabertooth thumb.gif
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Proper explanation Flail
I keep lolling about your firestrike hype.
And trying to smart off Flail.
That man has his theory covered and knows what he is doing.

Like he said, more is not better.
Make it stable and balanced.

And about the board. There is more to it then just connectors on it.
Even when you compare a Foxconn with a Crosshair you can say: it is pretty similar right? biggrin.gif
It's what's under the hood that counts.

thumb.gif

Yep he is one of the knowledgeable dudes here and i didn't try to off smart him.
I know more is not better but like i said, i was trying to see how much i can get from this board, how high FSB, CPU/NB etc. and i must say it doesn't disappoint.

Yes there are A LOT more to it than connectors only, i know that. The UD5 is on par with the Sabertooth if not better at some points. The Asus has 5 years warranty yes so? Gigabyte has 3 years and has outstanding warranty policy and i even have the gigabyte dude's sell number.

I mean, there is more to it than ''whats under the hood'' service and quality is just as important than only performance. I mean, Asus RMA department is a nightmare and if you are one of the lucky ones you see your board again if it doesn't disappear in their stock houses witch can take weeks to discover where it went bad.

Luckily i get my UD5 today so i can test it against the Sabertooth thumb.gif

Customer Service is region dependant as well, important to remember that.

And i can't get 3DMark working properly so you'll just have to take me word for this:
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eh... whats with the post necromancy... that specific topic kinda needs to stay dead...its for the good of the thread...

and what is it with people using odd ram configs... 4-8-16-32-64-128, no clue why someone would try 6 or 12 :/
eh.. stick with 16awg the lower the number the thicker and bigger the wire gauge. the thicker and bigger the wire the more power and amperage it can carry, you could be setting yourself up for another burn out dropping an AWG
ya mean these?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1318995/official-fx-8320-fx-8350-vishera-owners-club/39800_100#post_22837201

http://www.overclock.net/t/1318995/official-fx-8320-fx-8350-vishera-owners-club/39800_100#post_22837396
There are intricacies about this set up. CHVFZ its hard to take settings from this board and expect them to work on any other... even the saber kitty has trouble replicating settings and results when you've got a CHVFz opened up.

with these FX chip is not always a more is better.. (not everything is vcore related LMAO ) there is alot of balance to be had.

ALSO, something Sgt. bilko knows about as well is the Two graphics card physic buff
I wasn't running SLI as it was a 780 ti + 680 but i've noticed when using two card, weather or not both are used, cpu based scores increase.

When I rerun with one card i doubt i would break 10250 physics.

Getting back to the Balance aspect. Memory speed and Cpu/nb kinda go hand in hand.

there was a reason i dropped 200mhz off my cpu/nb from my 24/7 oc, also there was also a reason i dropped 400mhz on my ram.

Firestrike doesn't care for fast ram, it want low latency ram. 3DM11 I'd leave it where it was. it likes faster ram.

In my experiance, I don't see the point of going over 2700mhz on the cpu/nb unless you are trying to nail much higher frequencies like 2600+mhz on ram.
considering i need pretty much 1.4volts in bios for my cpu to run 2700mhz and 2400mhz found it was an exponential scale after that(think vcore voltwall)

if you are running @ 2000mhz ram like i was you don't need much higher then stock to achieve good scores. 2500mhz works well with 2000mhz ram.

most of these timing were actually Auto'd as i dind't care to tweak them from my 24/7 2400mhz ram.

All i did was took my 24/7 overclock tweaked a few things for different values hit the multi a few times and just kept raising vcore.

Also taking into account each chip is different, my chip doesn't want to do much more then 4.65 full stable (at-least under my cooling),
but she benches real purdy like


Yes exactly, those scores.

hmm i wonder why the crosshair formulaZ is that much of an better board, could it be that the extra 4pin connector delivers that little power to the CPU so that it overclocks better?

So you are saying that physics scores increase with multiple GPU's? Are you not confusing physX with physics? those 2 are way different, what i know is that nvidia has an dedicated chip for physX and physics is only done by CPU but like i said, that is what i know of it so i could be wrong tho. I do know that you can set physX to auto CPU or GPU.

I know that multiple GPU's score higher in graphics for obvious reasons but didn't know about physics as well. If its true what you say than how is it possible that i get such high scores with an relatively weak GPU compare to you?

It is not that i am jealous about your scores and that you beat me but i find it kinda strange that the scores vary that much.

well my 4 pin is attached, forgot bout it until you mentioned it.. had to check. its ram performance that the chvfz excels.

I know 3dm doesn't use physX, but having the second 16x populated seems to boost cpu performance for some unknown reason. Bilko running non crossfire with both cards in there has also seen this occurrence.

Silicone is grown.. that is how there can be so much variance.
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Yup, Single card physics sucks, no idea why this happens but it does.

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/1642523

Highest Single Card score so far: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2002510

Physics seems low with that clock Sgt. There must be something off.

I have only one card and at 5Ghz i get 9800.

The bolded part is what Flail was talking about, When i run Crossfire and Single GPU at the same clocks my Physics score is higher in Crossfire, still don't understand why this happens and if it only happens to the CVF/z or not
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Customer Service is region dependant as well, important to remember that.

And i can't get 3DMark working properly so you'll just have to take me word for this:
The bolded part is what Flail was talking about, When i run Crossfire and Single GPU at the same clocks my Physics score is higher in Crossfire, still don't understand why this happens and if it only happens to the CVF/z or not

That doesn't matter, they sell over the world so the service should be the same no matter where you're from. And if its true what you say, why does Corsair seems to do just fine on RMA? I a live in Holland and they send me 2 replacement parts within 4days!! 4days! And they are from California for crying out loud.

No man, some people are way too easy to satisfy IMO.

Whats with 3Dmark? you getting errors or such? I had the same problem and deleted the ''Futuremark SystemInfo'' file and run ccleaner, that did the trick for me while getting errors.

Yes i understand what Flail said but i never had SLI or multiple GPU's setups let alone heard from it happening. That doesn't take a way that its interesting that is perhaps only occurs on the CVF/z

Can it be that it only occurs with AMD GPU's?
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That doesn't matter, they sell over the world so the service should be the same no matter where you're from. And if its true what you say, why does Corsair seems to do just fine on RMA? I a live in Holland and they send me 2 replacement parts within 4days!! 4days! And they are from California for crying out loud.

No man, some people are way too easy to satisfy IMO.

Whats with 3Dmark? you getting errors or such? I had the same problem and deleted the ''Futuremark SystemInfo'' file and run ccleaner, that did the trick for me while getting errors.

Yes i understand what Flail said but i never had SLI or multiple GPU's setups let alone heard from it happening. That doesn't take a way that its interesting that is perhaps only occurs on the CVF/z

Can it be that it only occurs with AMD GPU's?

One example of Customer Service I'll use is EA.

EA help in the US sucks in my experience, very rare for me to get an issue sorted out with them

EA Denmark on the other hand is epic, very helpful and every time i called they fixed the problem within 2 hours.

Just because a company sells globally doesn't mean the Customer Service is the same standard everywhere, get what i mean?

And with 3Dmark i'm getting a time measurement error which is somewhat annoying but doesn't matter really.
 
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One example of Customer Service I'll use is EA.

EA help in the US sucks in my experience, very rare for me to get an issue sorted out with them

EA Denmark on the other hand is epic, very helpful and every time i called they fixed the problem within 2 hours.

Just because a company sells globally doesn't mean the Customer Service is the same standard everywhere, get what i mean?

And with 3Dmark i'm getting a time measurement error which is somewhat annoying but doesn't matter really.

Yes i perfectly understand what you are revering to but to me that is unacceptable.

I mean, its kinda annoying that you have to send the defective part to Denmark in order to have proper service lol Thats like Phillips products that come from Holland and when i have to do an repair i have to send it to America in order to get the job done.

I had the same stuff with Asus Netherlands when my notebook breaks down every month orso. It took 8 weeks to get it back!!! 8 frecking weeks man! I filed an complaint and i had to send my other notebook back and within one week i had a new one witch were much better! Look, if people don't complain about issues like that they are never going to solve it.
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