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Oh and also. I don't know how. But my throttling point is back up to 75C on the socket again like it used to be I dunno how that works?
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I am with 4690K now guys, I've sold my FX8320.
Have fun, I am on Devil's Canyon owners thread smile.gif
Traitor! Off with his head!
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Traitor! Off with his head!

Lol biggrin.gif

I am more happy with gaming performance, less happy with everything else rolleyes.gif
It would be better if I didn't need money and kept FX8320 with 4690K, beside gaming 4690K is nothing against my old FX.
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Traitor! Off with his head!

Lol biggrin.gif

I am more happy with gaming performance, less happy with everything else rolleyes.gif
It would be better if I didn't need money and kept FX8320 with 4690K, beside gaming 4690K is nothing against my old FX.

Looking at your old rig i'd say a decent mobo and maybe cooler would have got you back up to a good performance level smile.gif
 
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Definately the ram if you can. It's running CL11 at 1333, that's way to slow. If you post up the SPD tab from CPUz maybe someone can give you some pointers. I would at least set it to 1600 CL8 or 1866 CL9 and go from there

there is just one problem, not sure how stable those are on 1600mhz, gskill's are maby max 1600mhz, i would use my kingston hyperX blue what can reach 1333mhz->1866mhz but last time i wasnt able to get both work, so i have to test those more

But, here we go

i hope this help enought

If it were me Gereti I would set the CL9 1333 profile for the ram timings then up the voltage to 1.6 or 1.65v and set them to 1600 and see if they'll work. If that goes well I would tweak them further . Ram tweaking takes a lot of patience and a seperate OS if you're looking for serious numbers. Crashing from ram can really mess up your operating system in a hurry. I would suggest if the 1600 works at CL9 , download AMD OD . It'll let you tweak ram in windows which is very convenient.

EDIT I just realized you have a mixed set of ram there and firstly you should use one or the other but if both are needed at least put them in the right slots. Put the G.Skill in slots 2 and 4 and the kingston in 1 and 3 then at least they have a chance of running dual channel. If it were me I'd get a decent 2x4Gb set of CL9 1866 G.Skills and sell the others. You might get lucky and they'll run together but sometimes it just causes problems.
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Lol. Again, a bunch of disjointed benchmarks that make absolutely no sense and provide no clarity because they are not a simple comparison.

I can spell it out for you: Keep the RAM speed the same. Keep the HTT the same. Keep the CPU frequency the same. Then, run the test with the CPU-NB at stock. Next, run the test again with the CPUNB overclocked. Provide only those two screenshots showing the comparison between the two different CPUNB speeds in the most simple manner.

Here: So you'd shut up on what you think you knew.

I'm providing you with a lot of screenies for you to digest rather than inflict misguided information over the internet!

First up: 2143 RAM at 229 FSB AT 4940 CPU;

Run 1. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Run 2. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Run 3. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Too little GAIN?
Look at the Write and Copy Speeds and the rest of the Latencies.


Next up, I upped the FSB so I can give out more CPU-NB comparison.

Run 1. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)



Run 2. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)



Run 3. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)



I hope you can see what I can see.

At 2133 RAM or 2143 as indicated, CPU-NB past 2400 can already outpace the RAM Bandwidth. Or let me say this CLEAR; It has saturated the RAM Bandwidth that going 2670 CPU-NB produced less dramatic result as the jump from 2290 to 2400!

How little do your 1866 need to be outrun by the CPU-NB? lachen.gif


Now to prove the point, let's set the RAM Higher.

Cue in 2333 RAM: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


And why not 2400?? yessir.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)



Do they matter or not? rolleyes.gif
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The above is exactly what I did, and it is irregardless of the RAM speed or the fact that it's single channel, because I am not trying to get the highest RAM bandwidth score and gloat, I am trying to illustrate the difference between RAM bandwidth vs CPU-NB speed. rolleyes.gif

Apparently, you simpletons cannot understand the difference between my benchmarks or why it matters. Have fun getting random BSODs, random mouse cursor lockups, more heat on your chip, and all the other negative consequences of overclocking the CPUNB and HTT link on Vishera. I can't stop you. But I've done enough tests, and enough benching (3 years worth, and top 200 in the US on hwbot: where's your cred?) to know that it doesn't improve performance.


Look at the above results. You are so full of your self and only believes in your own RIGGED tests!




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Here's a tip: if you don't OC the CPUNB and HTT, and leave them at stock as AMD recommends, you increase the stability of the system, but more importantly, you increase the available headroom for overclocking the modules on the CPU. Anyone else reading this: this is why you can't get your Vishera stable at 5ghz.


Opps? Wanna see a proof?
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Even with a 1.6 Vcore, 30s on the ambient, I am maintaining my temps within the limits. Where's yours? Do you even know how to deal with that Voltage?

proof.gif

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I'm done. I don't have time for one sided conversations, lack of proof, talking to a brick wall, or people that are so stupid that they can't understand a simple comparison.

Consider this my last post; I don't have the time.

The above shows you were you lack the knowledge of. wheee.gifapplaud.gif and the balls. applaud.gif
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If it were me Gereti I would set the CL9 1333 profile for the ram timings then up the voltage to 1.6 or 1.65v and set them to 1600 and see if they'll work. If that goes well I would tweak them further . Ram tweaking takes a lot of patience and a seperate OS if you're looking for serious numbers. Crashing from ram can really mess up your operating system in a hurry. I would suggest if the 1600 works at CL9 , download AMD OD . It'll let you tweak ram in windows which is very convenient.

EDIT I just realized you have a mixed set of ram there and firstly you should use one or the other but if both are needed at least put them in the right slots. Put the G.Skill in slots 2 and 4 and the kingston in 1 and 3 then at least they have a chance of running dual channel. If it were me I'd get a decent 2x4Gb set of CL9 1866 G.Skills and sell the others. You might get lucky and they'll run together but sometimes it just causes problems.

Another thing to add is what the rated voltage is for those, however.. a new set of RAM would be benificial.. you can pick up Tridents for 110 in the US at Cas 9 or 10 2133 which is LARGELY faster.

I see he is in Finland.. well I don't know the prices there
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I'm not sure what you guys are going on about but CPU_NB plays a huge role in performance the higher you set it the better you will score, plain and simple sure at some point the returns diminish but they're still there certainly in cache and memory latency and throughput.

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I'm not sure what you guys are going on about but CPU_NB plays a huge role in performance the higher you set it the better you will score, plain and simple sure at some point the returns diminish but they're still there certainly in cache and memory latency and throughput.

LL











It isn't as big of a thing as you think.. Especially when you are battling stability.. the ifferences in the numbers is cause I pulled my tests from a wile ago.. look at the version of AIDA and you will see that.. otherwise.. with only 2400 CPUNB I achieve about the same results as you which is not a high bump at all.. the difference comes with the clock and higher frequency you have on the ram
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I don't know what's up with that last test but it looks completely whacked. That must have been bugged, there's no way you got a 35ns latency with a Vischera core CPU. That's even better than my 4770K at 37ns

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