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I agree that that plug is poorly placed in the Sabertooth, which caused the heavy cable in my Silverstone case to make a 90degree turn out and then a full 180 degree turn back to the board. This put a lot of stress on the plug and it was never secure. And the video card was right there too.

But you shouldn't use MSI as an example. Almost no one likes MSI.
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I agree that that plug is poorly placed in the Sabertooth, which caused the heavy cable in my Silverstone case to make a 90degree turn out and then a full 180 degree turn back to the board. This put a lot of stress on the plug and it was never secure. And the video card was right there too.

But you shouldn't use MSI as an example. Almost no one likes MSI.
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I agree that that plug is poorly placed in the Sabertooth, which caused the heavy cable in my Silverstone case to make a 90degree turn out and then a full 180 degree turn back to the board. This put a lot of stress on the plug and it was never secure. And the video card was right there too.

But you shouldn't use MSI as an example. Almost no one likes MSI.

Maybe because most people that doesn't like MSI has no idea on what they are talking about and are buying the Asus marketing? rolleyes.gif

I mean, MSI GPU's are always reviewed as one of the best clockers, trun more quiet, cools best and the RMA is excellent if i may believe people that make that claim.

Its not bashing on Asus but if their products are really that good, why do they put so much money in marketing in the first place? I mean if their product is that great it will sell for its self right?

For instance, i had to install an Asus tablet TF300T, its not older than half a year and its already not working anymore...when i pull the tablet off the keyboard the touch screen doesn't work anymore, i did several hard resets and no luck. I called Asus about it and guess what they say..? NO support whatsoever.

A couple of years back i had an notebook that was nothing but trouble and a friend of mine had the same exact issues with another notebook from Asus. Now my MB doesn't work properly, later the tablet, they offer no support whatsoever to the customer. That is reason enough for me to NEVER buy any product from them again.

Does that say Asus is a bad brand? NO, but i have several bad experiences with Asus that i don't feel comfortable to buy it ever again let a lone recommend it to someone if they ask me what to buy.
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It is indeed.. at the voltage to stabilize IBT AVX, I can already run 5 GHz AIDA stable and game all day witbout a crash. Still doesn't qualify as stable indeed.

btw saberkitty users, which ram ports do you guys populate first when using a couple of sticks? Farthest or nearest the CPU?.

About you VCore, @Alastair , try to use FSB. Sometimes a 1 MHz change in the base frequency can either help or break you.

1.548 aint that bad yet. Your loop will still be able to cope. Not sure if you meant that's your board limit though.


Edit: for the first time, I have finished 10 runs of IBT AVX at 4.8 on my desired settings with RAM at 2133 CL10 and CPU-NB 2400 at 1.4V and 1.575 VCore.

Temps are on low 60s maximum on both socket and core this stormy night at 25 reported ambient with Google Now.

Hmm. Still a bugger with HWInfo On Monitoring though!

And I am keen on replacing the chip! Can I haz anybodies' 5 GHz chips that runs at low 1.5ish? biggrin.gif

From the CPU, slots 2 & 4(A2 & B2) http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM3+/SABERTOOTH_990FX_R2.0/E8042_SABERTOOTH_990FX_R2.pdf

Section 1.2.4
this, it is mobo dependant but i follow what the modo states, on amd all mobos i have seen say farthest ones first ( a b c d usually b&d )
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so i am working on my cabling on amd pc, and i wanted to comment, this is obviously @hurricane28

this is why i love where asus puts the usb3.0 connector, why, it is accessible and convenient, and it works fine with a gpu and even a gpu with a backplate

the ud7 on the other hand has the most asinine location for it.

remember the ud7 is "for quadfire/sli"

see the pcie slot, tell me how you will hook up usb3.0 to it with 4 gpus ( even waterblocked IE single slot ), you just cant ( well you can, but it is time consuming and risky )

as for me ill take the "dumb" ( aka rather very intelligent ) location that asus puts the usb 3.0 connector



same for the debug led and the raised connectors for the front i/o..... not even gonne mention the TPM which is all but useless as no TPM module i have found fits inside


you can see the connector in it ( usb3.0 ) in which i am making my own extension to just be able to use the usb3.o header


Why do you have your board upside down and takes pictures of it..?

I have it in the same place as you since the UD5 and UD7 is basically the same board.. and i don't have any problems with it and the cables that comes with the case fits nicely...

thats is why i buy Corsair cases because they have plenty cable routing options and they are all grommeted..

I do agree that the place of the USB 3.0 header would be better at the end of the board next to the 24pin connector or something but there is no board that has it like that so if i have to choose between the Asus and the Gigabyte method i prefer the Gigabyte.. the best location for it is on the MSI 990FXA-GD80 and that is why i like that board very much because of its very good PCB layout.

Look for yourself:

I seriously don't see your problem, can't you route the cable though the grommets of your case? In that case, your case is not that great for cable routing and you can't blame gigabyte for it IMO. OR is it that your cable is too short? In that case that is another reason i go with Corsair because i never had issues with cables that were too short..

the front i/0 panel is fine, its the Asus board that gave me trouble because when i insert the connectors to the connector block and install it on the motherboard its too high and its hitting my drive caddy...
So it all depends on what case you have and how long/short the cables are and how the cable routing is i guess.

But enough about the Asus vs Gigabyte because i no longer own the Sabertooth. I returned it to the store and they said that i was in my right about the EC sensor, they gonna return the board to Asus end of story..

You enjoy your gigabyte and Sabertooth, i stick with the UD5 rev 3.0 for now or i go over to the MSI GD80..
sigh

my mobo is properly alined


it is called reverse layout

when the last PCIE is filled ( due to quadfire, IE you put a large GPU there ) you have issues with all connections on the ud7 as they are slightly raised which causes them to hit the GPU whether air or water cooled

as to my problem

can you show me how to route this monstrosity under a GPU that hits the top of and interferes with usb 2.0 connectors ?

or this pic may show the size difference better ( this has a male usb2.0 but i hope you can use your imagination and "remove" from the pic the pins sticking out of the connector ( again usb2.0 )


i do firmly believe whoever thought up the connector for usb 3.0 and who ever signed it in as standard should be taken out, shot, treated medically and shot again due to the immense density of their brain )

in other news i have some excitement happening, will bring up pics tonight !
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you can see the connector in it ( usb3.0 ) in which i am making my own extension to just be able to use the usb3.o header
Can you please show more information about this mod, Im having the same problem. Thanks!

Hurricane: Mega is 100% right how do you sell a QuadFire/4 SLI board and put all Firewire, HDaudio,USB2x2 USB3, powerhdd led, reset, power, speaker where they will be blocked by any GPU that supports Quadfire/4 SLI.
Asus is only slightly better on the CHVFZ, they put the usb3 away, but its really hard to put al the other connectors bellow the 3rd GPU, you even bend the GPU, Mobo and cables to do it.
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you can see the connector in it ( usb3.0 ) in which i am making my own extension to just be able to use the usb3.o header
Can you please show more information about this mod, Im having the same problem. Thanks!

Hurricane: Mega is 100% right how do you sell a QuadFire/4 SLI board and put all Firewire, HDaudio,USB2x2 USB3, powerhdd led, reset, power, speaker where they will be blocked by any GPU that supports Quadfire/4 SLI.
Asus is only slightly better on the CHVFZ, they put the usb3 away, but its really hard to put al the other connectors bellow the 3rd GPU, you even bend the GPU, Mobo and cables to do it.

Because none of that but the USB3.0 and TPM is a problem. Everything else is just complaining, they're all extremely low profile and they are not fully blocked by a card with a water block. Look at every other Quadfire board in existence. Do your cable management before putting in your GPU. Problem solved.

TPM is useless too while we're at it because there is no true legit use for one in a gaming rig, only mission critical workstations, Mega just wanted to complain about something no one will ever actually use.


Megaman: The USB 3.0 connector is so large for several reasons, including the fact it has the pinout for both USB 2.0 and 3.0, and the lines in the cable have to be able to carry the needed amps for USB 3.0's insane power delivery.
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Ok so the new 280 rad is in and no leaks to be found.. need to get another res and bleed a little more thoroughly ive got a few smaller bubbles i cant get out because bumping the pump is at full speed which seems to reintroduce the same air bubbles back in...after i get a proper fill/drain/res setup going this will be much easier... anyhow im very happy with its performance so far even though i need to sleep so i havent put it through its paces but i feel like im gonna be seeing if i can get close to the 5ghz mark soon... this was at 4.4 with 1.34 on vcore 2400 nb and 2600ht...




didnt have time for a really good run gotta be up at 6am... how does this look for my setup... same as sig rig only an extra alphacool nexxos 280 st30
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I think tpm is useless too. Im using muy GPUs with oem fan, going to install wb soon. But the top of the line mobo should be designed better. Maybe when they designed them the high end GPUs didn't blocked those connectors.
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I think tpm is useless too. Im using muy GPUs with oem fan, going to install wb soon. But the top of the line mobo should be designed better. Maybe when they designed them the high end GPUs didn't blocked those connectors.

... No. Not even close. PCI-e 1.0a spec was finalized in 2003, and GPU PCB has been the same low-height ever since. The 990FXA-UD7 came out in 2011. If you want a more modern example, the Asus X99 Deluxe has the exact same layout and it came out weeks ago.

Know what other Quadfire motherboard follows the exact same pattern? All of them. I'm not even going to link an example, because you will never find a single one that does not place USB2 and Firewire along the bottom edge. It's not a matter of "being designed better", because those adapters have all the clearance they need. And frankly there is nowhere else to put them.

And again, single-slot water coolers do not block the ports along the bottom edge.
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I agree.

Given all the dimension restrictions associated with designing a motherboard, manufacturers can only do so much.

The kitty indeed has at least a couple of flaws with the locations of the ports, but you know, people bought them, and continuous to buy them. Everything can be remedied or rather ignored as you can't really do a thing about it anymore.

But look at this.

evga-x99-classified-4-1280x1024.jpg

The board as you can see has been designed with cable routing in mind, but hear this,

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