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I think tpm is useless too. Im using muy GPUs with oem fan, going to install wb soon. But the top of the line mobo should be designed better. Maybe when they designed them the high end GPUs didn't blocked those connectors.

... No. Not even close. PCI-e 1.0a spec was finalized in 2003, and GPU PCB has been the same low-height ever since. The 990FXA-UD7 came out in 2011. If you want a more modern example, the Asus X99 Deluxe has the exact same layout and it came out weeks ago.

Know what other Quadfire motherboard follows the exact same pattern? All of them. I'm not even going to link an example, because you will never find a single one that does not place USB2 and Firewire along the bottom edge. It's not a matter of "being designed better", because those adapters have all the clearance they need. And frankly there is nowhere else to put them.

And again, single-slot water coolers do not block the ports along the bottom edge.

although you are probably right about the size, they didnt have to make it so big, bigger wire less plastic would be ok.

as to the usb it does get in the way. but your right i was just making some 00
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this, it is mobo dependant but i follow what the modo states, on amd all mobos i have seen say farthest ones first ( a b c d usually b&d )
sigh

my mobo is properly alined
it is called reverse layout

when the last PCIE is filled ( due to quadfire, IE you put a large GPU there ) you have issues with all connections on the ud7 as they are slightly raised which causes them to hit the GPU whether air or water cooled

as to my problem

can you show me how to route this monstrosity under a GPU that hits the top of and interferes with usb 2.0 connectors ?

or this pic may show the size difference better ( this has a male usb2.0 but i hope you can use your imagination and "remove" from the pic the pins sticking out of the connector ( again usb2.0 )

i do firmly believe whoever thought up the connector for usb 3.0 and who ever signed it in as standard should be taken out, shot, treated medically and shot again due to the immense density of their brain )

in other news i have some excitement happening, will bring up pics tonight !

I see your problem now, did you actually tried to setup quad fire on that motherboard while having USB 3.0 and all the connectors plugged in? the difference between the UD5 and UD7 is the UD7 has an extra PCI-e x16 lane and that can cause some trouble with the connector on the bottom side.

I have it like this, (don't mind the horrible cable management tho)

I have them at the exact same place as you and if you can route the cable though the bottom cable grommet of your case i think there will be no problem at all..
That is one of the main reasons i go with Corsair cases and that is due to the outstanding cable routing options and many grommets to tug away the cables for a nice clean build. The cables have a nice length to it as well so they are never too short or too long. At least, that is my experience with Corsair cases.

I am curious what that excitement happening is thumb.gif
yes quadfire will COMPLETELY cover it can not even insert the connector
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although you are probably right about the size, they didnt have to make it so big, bigger wire less plastic would be ok.

as to the usb it does get in the way. but your right i was just making some 00

yes quadfire will COMPLETELY cover it can not even insert the connector

The connector itself has more than just wires in it actually. And no, they really couldn't make it much smaller, not without removing USB 2.0 support. That stuff is pretty packed as it is. 10 lines per half, 20 lines to the connector.



Remember, 3.0 is not actually pin-compatible with 2.0, they have to run special lines just for it.
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That might be but i agree with Mega Man about the bulky and large connector.. not even to mention the thick and tough cables that can be a pain to route properly because in a lot of cases it puts a lot of force on the connector on the motherboard.

off topic:

Did you guys notice that Nvidia has launched their new GPU's? Its pure awesomeness if you ask me biggrin.gif

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-970-maxwell,3941.html

Might sell my GTX 660Ti and get one of those thumb.gif
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although you are probably right about the size, they didnt have to make it so big, bigger wire less plastic would be ok.

as to the usb it does get in the way. but your right i was just making some 00

yes quadfire will COMPLETELY cover it can not even insert the connector

The connector itself has more than just wires in it actually. And no, they really couldn't make it much smaller, not without removing USB 2.0 support. That stuff is pretty packed as it is. 10 lines per half, 20 lines to the connector.



Remember, 3.0 is not actually pin-compatible with 2.0, they have to run special lines just for it.

sorry but half truths

the half being you are half correct. there is already a mod you can do that fixes this, and you dont loose speed or otherwise to my knowledge, my point being that they could of designed it better, but also so that it uses the same style connectors... as well everything else in the i/o

the mod has become so wanted even moddiy started selling it
http://www.moddiy.com/products/USB-3.0-20%252dPin-Internal-Header-Adapter-Cable-%28Low-Profile-Connector%29.html

your telling me they couldnt just use a 2.0mm Dupont 20-Pin

http://www.moddiy.com/products/2.0mm-Dupont-20%252dPin-USB-3.0-Housing-Female-Connector.html

?
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That might be but i agree with Mega Man about the bulky and large connector.. not even to mention the thick and tough cables that can be a pain to route properly because in a lot of cases it puts a lot of force on the connector on the motherboard.

off topic:

Did you guys notice that Nvidia has launched their new GPU's? Its pure awesomeness if you ask me biggrin.gif

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-970-maxwell,3941.html

Might sell my GTX 660Ti and get one of those thumb.gif

Time will tell.

There is a reviewer that put the 980 behind the 290X. Plus, XFire scales better than SLI at the moment. Also note that 390X is a few months from now.

One thing is obvious though, drivers play a role in the cards performance. AMD already matured on this area. How can a release driver topple a mature one¿ I'd wait for a few months if I were to pick one.

Lastly, 780s and TIs are being stopped. Might get a good deal for store clearance for them..
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For those of you asking about how to pull the extra performance of the red screw out of your system,

I explain here.

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1473361/amd-high-performance-project-by-red1776/470#post_22880710

 

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although you are probably right about the size, they didnt have to make it so big, bigger wire less plastic would be ok.

as to the usb it does get in the way. but your right i was just making some 00

yes quadfire will COMPLETELY cover it can not even insert the connector

The connector itself has more than just wires in it actually. And no, they really couldn't make it much smaller, not without removing USB 2.0 support. That stuff is pretty packed as it is. 10 lines per half, 20 lines to the connector.



Remember, 3.0 is not actually pin-compatible with 2.0, they have to run special lines just for it.

sorry but half truths

the half being you are half correct. there is already a mod you can do that fixes this, and you dont loose speed or otherwise to my knowledge, my point being that they could of designed it better, but also so that it uses the same style connectors... as well everything else in the i/o

the mod has become so wanted even moddiy started selling it
http://www.moddiy.com/products/USB-3.0-20%252dPin-Internal-Header-Adapter-Cable-%28Low-Profile-Connector%29.html

your telling me they couldnt just use a 2.0mm Dupont 20-Pin

http://www.moddiy.com/products/2.0mm-Dupont-20%252dPin-USB-3.0-Housing-Female-Connector.html

?

The "Mod" is an expansion cable. It is not a "Mod", It does not remove or replace the connector head. It simply moves the large head away from the motherboard by a few inches. "Woo", color me oh so impressed. rolleyes.gif

And no, because that is only for the pinout. It has nothing to do with what is inside the connector, nor the cables.

I am 100% correct, not "half truth".
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That might be but i agree with Mega Man about the bulky and large connector.. not even to mention the thick and tough cables that can be a pain to route properly because in a lot of cases it puts a lot of force on the connector on the motherboard.

off topic:

Did you guys notice that Nvidia has launched their new GPU's? Its pure awesomeness if you ask me biggrin.gif

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-970-maxwell,3941.html

Might sell my GTX 660Ti and get one of those thumb.gif

Time will tell.

There is a reviewer that put the 980 behind the 290X. Plus, XFire scales better than SLI at the moment. Also note that 390X is a few months from now.

One thing is obvious though, drivers play a role in the cards performance. AMD already matured on this area. How can a release driver topple a mature one¿ I'd wait for a few months if I were to pick one.

Lastly, 780s and TIs are being stopped. Might get a good deal for store clearance for them..

XFire has always scaled better than SLI, but nVidia really needs to get those drivers in line for this thing. 180% performance in 2-card and 220% performance for 3-card is just wrong.

Still... GTX 970 replaces the R9-290 as "the card to buy". Guess I'll be recommending it until R9-300 series.
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@KyadCK so whats different inside the plastic besides the connector ?
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@KyadCK so whats different inside the plastic besides the connector ?

Cable breakout mainly, small PCB, etc. They aren't just straight lines, they're paired and shielded as well due to the "long" distance and high frequency, like CAT6 and CAT7 vs CAT5e. They also carry live power along them, up to ten times more than standard USB 2.0, making shielding more important.
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The Battery Charging Specification requires that the physical ports themselves be capable of handling 5 A
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Using three power profiles of those defined in the USB Power Delivery Specification, it lets devices with larger energy demands request higher currents and supply voltages from compliant hosts – up to 2 A at 5 V (for a power consumption of up to 10 W), and optionally up to 5 A at either 12 V (60 W) or 20 V (100 W).[29]

Those arent pansy lines in those cables... They're rated for heavy duty.
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Got my new ram from Gertie so am out to play, just started so thought I'd see what I could get up to.
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