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your OCCT display only cores temperatures ? on the top of the 8 cores temperatures i see cpu temperatures in the monitoring window
(occt 4.3.2 too) ;core temperatures isnt that accurate imo, i d be thankfull if u could post this value to compare
anyway good job , i m stuck @ 4.7ghz /1.5v to get it stable...lol....quite funny as i got it booting and benching @ 5.3ghz/1.475v ...it needs a lot of juice to become 100% stable rolleyes.gif

Don't mean to be too rude, but your opinion doesn't matter much. AMD says to watch Core temp, and that is the one that "shouldn't" go over 62C.

CPU/Socket temp is for when you're watching idle temps, Core during load.

As for why you think it isn't accurate, AMD chips don't have a thermometer per say, they have some special bit on the chip, and they use a formula and offset to make it more accurate the closer it gets to 60C (where it's important). It starts becoming reliable around 40-45C.
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Well with my vdroop actual vcore is 1.48 with this board and temps still not above 47c.

Nice cooling wish i had the same amount of cooling lol. Your problem is vcore my problem is temps rolleyes.gif

Its a shame there is so much variation in vcore between the different boards. Im not sure what the safe max vcore is on these chips yet. Tried researching but i cant find anything. Ive even emailed amd and still not got a reply yet lol. Maybe they too busy or dont care now they got my money biggrin.gif
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Don't mean to be too rude, but your opinion doesn't matter much. AMD says to watch Core temp, and that is the one that "shouldn't" go over 62C.
CPU/Socket temp is for when you're watching idle temps, Core during load.
As for why you think it isn't accurate, AMD chips don't have a thermometer per say, they have some special bit on the chip, and they use a formula and offset to make it more accurate the closer it gets to 60C (where it's important). It starts becoming reliable around 40-45C.

u re right on 2 points: my opinion doesnt matter much and i encourage you to keep following only what AMD says

on the other hand when i see this:



8°c on cores i tell me: wow! how can this guy have 8°c on cores except if his room is @ same temperatures...but ok , his pc is probably in the garden...

i m not here to tell that i have the true, i search like others , by luck i have try 2 MSI 990FXA-GD80 , a MSI 990XA-GD55 , aGB 990FX-UD7 1.0 and my actual CHV....i m just trying to share that "from what i saw" core temperatures seem always to be under the reallity, even @ full load but by a smallest margin,
the three MSI boards i ve tested with a phenom was always displaying uncreddible low temperatures on cores , u can trust thoses temps of course as AMD told it to you...this user is using a MSI board...perhaps can some infos provided by users on a forum help him...with ur permission of course wink.gif
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Don't mean to be too rude, but your opinion doesn't matter much. AMD says to watch Core temp, and that is the one that "shouldn't" go over 62C.
CPU/Socket temp is for when you're watching idle temps, Core during load.
As for why you think it isn't accurate, AMD chips don't have a thermometer per say, they have some special bit on the chip, and they use a formula and offset to make it more accurate the closer it gets to 60C (where it's important). It starts becoming reliable around 40-45C.

u re right on 2 points: my opinion doesnt matter much and i encourage you to keep following only what AMD says

on the other hand when i see this:



8°c on cores i tell me: wow! how can this guy have 8°c on cores except if his room is @ same temperatures...but ok , his pc is probably in the garden...

i m not here to tell that i have the true, i search like others , by luck i have try 2 MSI 990FXA-GD80 , a MSI 990XA-GD55 , aGB 990FX-UD7 1.0 and my actual CHV....i m just trying to share that "from what i saw" core temperatures are always under the reallity, even @ full load but by a smallest margin,
the three MSI boards i ve tested with a phenom was always displaying uncreddible low temperatures, u can trust thoses temps of course as AMD told it to you...this user is using a MSI board...perhaps can some infos provided bu users on a forum help him...with ur permission of course wink.gif

I just told you how AMD does it, it's incredibly inaccurate at idle, and very accurate the closer temps get to 60C... Ask anyone in the thread, they will tell you the same. They've been that way with every AMD CPU.

You basicly just told him "lol there's no way those temps are accurate, let me see the one temp that will be 10C hotter no matter what.", and frankly, you are wrong. Also, since the sensor is on the CPU, and not the board... Ya...
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I just told you how AMD does it, it's incredibly inaccurate at idle, and very accurate the closer temps get to 60C... Ask anyone in the thread, they will tell you the same. They've been that way with every AMD CPU.
You basicly just told him "lol there's no way those temps are accurate, let me see the one temp that will be 10C hotter no matter what.", and frankly, you are wrong. Also, since the sensor is on the CPU, and not the board... Ya...

i basicly told what i wrote and i ll be thankfull to not rewrite my posts to your sauce plz
i basicly tryed to tell "be carefull to read true values" nothing more, i m not here to try to impress, agress or fight anyone , i m too old for that....not 100% senile though biggrin.gif

i was very comfortable with my core temperatures and trusted em, till they diplayed impossible iddle temperatures (like 12°C in a 23°c room)
and lol: thx for the info about where is the sensor....but i had be very surprised to see the core sensor localised on the motherboard.... all is in the name thumb.gif

(sorry for my bad english )
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Pushing a little further with my o.c. from yesterday...
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~4.9GHz DDR3-2133 9-11-11-28-1T with vcore set to 1.4875v LLC ultra/~75%.
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I just told you how AMD does it, it's incredibly inaccurate at idle, and very accurate the closer temps get to 60C... Ask anyone in the thread, they will tell you the same. They've been that way with every AMD CPU.
You basicly just told him "lol there's no way those temps are accurate, let me see the one temp that will be 10C hotter no matter what.", and frankly, you are wrong. Also, since the sensor is on the CPU, and not the board... Ya...

i basicly told what i wrote and i ll be thankfull to not rewrite my posts to your sauce plz
i basicly tryed to tell "be carefull to read true values" nothing more, i m not here to try to impress, agress or fight anyone , i m too old for that....not 100% senile though biggrin.gif

i was very comfortable with my core temperatures and trusted em, till they diplayed impossible iddle temperatures (like 12°C in a 23°c room)
and lol: thx for the info about where is the sensor....but i had be very surprised to see the core sensor localised on the motherboard.... all is in the name thumb.gif

(sorry for my bad english )

Then you understand my confusion when you said the MSI was throwing wrong temps:
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the three MSI boards i ve tested with a phenom was always displaying uncreddible low temperatures

When the MSI has absolutely nothing to do with it. That is how AMD's sensor works, and it will work that way no matter what board you use. On the other hand, Socket/CPU temp is on the board, and thus is not an accurate reading for CPU temp aside from at idle, where it is just closer then the Core temp will be.

You walked in here, uninformed, and said in your opinion Core temp is not a valid source of info. Your opinion, on a matter of facts, means zero. There is no "opinion" about it. It isn't that your opinion is wrong, opinions cant be, it just doesn't apply.

As for your English, don't worry about it, you're understandable which is more then can be said for quite a few people on the forum.
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MSI board have perhaps nothing to do with and agree it absolutly dont look possible/normal...but it was using the exact same hardware(cpu, psu, gfx, cooling & settings) around the motherboard and running same tests...cores on MSIs was coldest than on others mobos and the hottest was on the CHV

i not "walked in here" lol...i m around here since day 1...not posting each day but reading quite all posts...
"uninformed"? again...lol...what do u know about my personnal culture? do i know you?

i m not sharing my opinion here but sharing observations...but ok lets moove on i dont want to spam the topic, dont worry i ll keep my observations for me in the future and go back to a "read and shut up" attitude ,better for my stress-meter wink.gif
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I cant seem too get by the 4.7ghz and its defo not a temp issue???
But again im getting alot better results using the MSI control center under windows rather than the BIOS..
Here take a look and see what you guys think, any ideas to get it to the magical 5ghz mark ?

I'm not sure what the safe voltage is, but with our board we need to factor that droop into the OC, manual LLC i guess tongue.gif. I think in order to hit 5 ghz on a stability program we will need to set the voltage at 1.600 volts or better in Control Center. The result being a 1.53 Voltage at the chip at 100% load. Now I'm not sure what the maximum safe voltage is on these chips, so be advised use at your own risk. In my case heat isn't the problem, it's that I am reluctant to go higher with my voltage to the chip. It's already taking more voltage to get stable than it did when it was "new", and I am a little concerned as to why.
In looking at your Control center settings about the only thing I might suggest is a small bump in htt voltage and it appears that you are running your ram at 1.5 volts? Is that what it is spec'd at on the module?
Also , make sure that you turn off active phase switching ( forgot that one when you asked about my settings) in bios and that when you leave the bios by hitting f10 that the middle tab (standard mode) is the one that is highlighted at the top of the screen.
Good luck
@ Roadking, that's a very solid overclock you have there, thanks for showing the the temps etc. thumb.gif
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I cant seem too get by the 4.7ghz and its defo not a temp issue???
But again im getting alot better results using the MSI control center under windows rather than the BIOS..
Here take a look and see what you guys think, any ideas to get it to the magical 5ghz mark ?

I'm not sure what the safe voltage is, but with our board we need to factor that droop into the OC, manual LLC i guess tongue.gif. I think in order to hit 5 ghz on a stability program we will need to set the voltage at 1.600 volts or better in Control Center. The result being a 1.53 Voltage at the chip at 100% load. Now I'm not sure what the maximum safe voltage is on these chips, so be advised use at your own risk. In my case heat isn't the problem, it's that I am reluctant to go higher with my voltage to the chip. It's already taking more voltage to get stable than it did when it was "new", and I am a little concerned as to why.
In looking at your Control center settings about the only thing I might suggest is a small bump in htt voltage and it appears that you are running your ram at 1.5 volts? Is that what it is spec'd at on the module?
Also , make sure that you turn off active phase switching ( forgot that one when you asked about my settings) in bios and that when you leave the bios by hitting f10 that the middle tab (standard mode) is the one that is highlighted at the top of the screen.
Good luck
@ Roadking, that's a very solid overclock you have there, thanks for showing the the temps etc. thumb.gif

Turn on C'n'Q, that should make the CPU drop it's speed and voltage when not in any real use so you aren't sitting at 1.6v all the time.

You'll still hit 1.6 on those time you use just enough CPU to use max clocks but not enough to be under real load, but it's better then 1.6v 24/7.
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