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Oh, as for the screenie @ 4.8 on the multi only, Prime had been running for 10 mins? Enough for a first pass of Test 1 anyway. Long enough to get the temps stable at least.

I've currently got it stressing at 4.8 with 220 x 22, NB/HT @ 2636, the RAM is at 2344 (2 sticks!) and she's sitting pretty at 1.475 on the vcore under load and 58.6C package temp. Brilliant.

It's the 4 sticks!

Thanks all, really appreciated.

My CPU-NB voltage is still at 1.442 under load though, so think I will bring the LLC down a bit and see if it's better.

And it might just be my imagination, but FSB OC is a bit snappier than just multi. Even though HT/NB are were they were before (roughly), it seems to be burning through Prime a bit quicker.
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Hi

Ram is 4 x 4Gb Sticks Gskill Ripjaws X DDR3 2133. Motherboard will not boot with the Ram set to 2133 although there is a built-in profile for it,
and when I tightened the timing at 1600 the same thing happened, the PC would not boot and the BIOS beeped a memory error.
I am beginning to think that the CPU/Mobo combo does not like 16Gb of Ram will all 4 slots filled.

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So, do I get the Trident X again, on the basis that the current 2 x 4GB sticks seem happy at 2400

Or, do I go for Avexier Blitz 1.1 - not heard of them but the white strobes might go nicely with the ROG board and my new windowed 540! biggrin.gif

Or a pair of Savages, which seem to have some nice timings 11-11-11-35
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I know what Delta is.
But I don't get it how people calculate theirs....
Does one need a water temp sensor for it? Or does it has something to do with difference in ambient and cpu temp?

:
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DT is the foundation of your water cooling loop. The better your DT, the cooler your chips are. In water cooling, DT is simply the difference between the ambient air temperature and the water temperature on the outgoing side of the radiator. Room temperature vs. water temperature: that’s it. You can’t remove all the heat – no system is 100% efficient, nor can you go below ambient room temperature.
SO technically , yes you need to know the temp of your water when it leaves the radiator. Some people have put a thermometer on or in their resevoirs as well. Although I diagree with last sentence above since my delta is quite often -30c+ from ambient room temps.
Please tell me you are joking. Without phase change or more extreme cooling. Without breaking the laws of physics it is impossible to get less then ambient . As a matter of fact getting to ambient is near impossible
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is it possible/safe to reflash older versions of bios?
Yes it generally is fine with these boards unlike the past when it was risky
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BIOS shots uploaded to my rigbuilder profile

I hadn't really considered upping the CPU VCore to sort out a memory issue. But I know what you mean about 16GB being a bit too much, I wondered myself if it was just asking too much of the overall setup.

I wonder, is it even worth me trying to push to 2400 or should I attempt to tighten timings on 2133?

The CPU Vcore might seem low for 4.8 (it's now at 1.47v as you'll see in my bios screenshots) but it's Prime stable on Blend, so I kinda figured I'd got "lucky" with the chip. We'll see just how lucky when I swap the case out for something with actual airflow and I can perhaps push the voltage a bit more, but I'm unsure how much I'll need to push it to see the magical 5.0Ghz.

One problem at a time though!

Meh about average of a chip
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Oh, as for the screenie @ 4.8 on the multi only, Prime had been running for 10 mins? Enough for a first pass of Test 1 anyway. Long enough to get the temps stable at least.

I've currently got it stressing at 4.8 with 220 x 22, NB/HT @ 2636, the RAM is at 2344 (2 sticks!) and she's sitting pretty at 1.475 on the vcore under load and 58.6C package temp. Brilliant.

It's the 4 sticks!

Thanks all, really appreciated.

My CPU-NB voltage is still at 1.442 under load though, so think I will bring the LLC down a bit and see if it's better.

And it might just be my imagination, but FSB OC is a bit snappier than just multi. Even though HT/NB are were they were before (roughly), it seems to be burning through Prime a bit quicker.

FSB OC is going to seem snappier as you are overclocking the entire boards at once..

Also I would say to try the 4 sticks now, the reason why you are having an issue is not the chip or the RAM, it is that 4 sticks on any board will be harder on the IMC, Which is not an issue you just need to find out where the week point is and correct it. normally it is a lower voltage. You should not have any issue with 2400 on that board with 4 sticks.. MEGAMAN will be able to assist further in regards to that, he really is the one that has the full experience.
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Please tell me you are joking. Without phase change or more extreme cooling. Without breaking the laws of physics it is impossible to get less then ambient . As a matter of fact getting to ambient is near impossible
Yes it generally is fine with these boards unlike the past when it was risky
Meh about average of a chip

I completely forgot about the old days and BIOS flashing haha,, he what have I missed with this guys ram running 4 sticks at 2400?
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Hi

Ram is 4 x 4Gb Sticks Gskill Ripjaws X DDR3 2133. Motherboard will not boot with the Ram set to 2133 although there is a built-in profile for it,
and when I tightened the timing at 1600 the same thing happened, the PC would not boot and the BIOS beeped a memory error.
I am beginning to think that the CPU/Mobo combo does not like 16Gb of Ram will all 4 slots filled.

Oldbarzo

I just came to the same conclusion after much testing and help!
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Hi

Ram is 4 x 4Gb Sticks Gskill Ripjaws X DDR3 2133. Motherboard will not boot with the Ram set to 2133 although there is a built-in profile for it,
and when I tightened the timing at 1600 the same thing happened, the PC would not boot and the BIOS beeped a memory error.
I am beginning to think that the CPU/Mobo combo does not like 16Gb of Ram will all 4 slots filled.

Oldbarzo

did you try just 2 sticks? as that is just awfully slow. you might as well be running ddr2 800 ram
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FSB OC is going to seem snappier as you are overclocking the entire boards at once..

Also I would say to try the 4 sticks now, the reason why you are having an issue is not the chip or the RAM, it is that 4 sticks on any board will be harder on the IMC, Which is not an issue you just need to find out where the week point is and correct it. normally it is a lower voltage. You should not have any issue with 2400 on that board with 4 sticks.. MEGAMAN will be able to assist further in regards to that, he really is the one that has the full experience.

I look forward to hearing from MEGAMAN.

But, if 4 sticks is stressing the IMC, why not just go for 2 instead? Just seems like I might be trying too hard. The moment I go down to 2 sticks a previously unstable run suddenly becomes stable. This suggests I'll get more headroom with 2 x 8GB sticks in the longrun.

I'm one of those who doesn't mind swapping out hardware (any excuse tbh!) and if going down to 2 sticks will make life "easier" then I might just do it.
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I look forward to hearing from MEGAMAN.

But, if 4 sticks is stressing the IMC, why not just go for 2 instead? Just seems like I might be trying too hard. The moment I go down to 2 sticks a previously unstable run suddenly becomes stable. This suggests I'll get more headroom with 2 x 8GB sticks in the longrun.

I'm one of those who doesn't mind swapping out hardware (any excuse tbh!) and if going down to 2 sticks will make life "easier" then I might just do it.

You do have a point there, however if you get the 4 sticks running now you will be able to know what the true limits of your ram/board/cpu is..

my 2cents at least, then again I am anal and if it works with 2 sticks on all sticks then it must work for 4 sticks smile.gif
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