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Can ask you guys to have look at my post here, and maybe reply if you have the time:
http://www.overclock.net/t/584302/ocn-water-cooling-club-and-picture-gallery/74070#post_22993622

Looking for some ideas on what to do...

That t-line is in a crazy place. Res to pump, pump to rad, rad to CPU, CPU to res...
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As long as you have the res before the pump it doesn't really matter that much. If your pump runs dry it dies. I prefer my rads directly after the heat source my self.
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That t-line is in a crazy place. Res to pump, pump to rad, rad to CPU, CPU to res...

Yeah, I couldn't figure how to make that T-line better.

And the order is like you say it.
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As long as you have the res before the pump it doesn't really matter that much. If your pump runs dry it dies. I prefer my rads directly after the heat source my self.

True. I made sure that it was res>pump.
I should be able to make it res>pump>block>rad>res.

I have seen people putting the return line on top of the res. But the manual states that the top fitting can only be used for filling.
Whats up with that?
And also, if I do use the top fitting, how do I fill it then?

If I am not mistaken I have only one 30 degree adapter left. biggrin.gif
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You don't use the top or you risk intro ducing air into the pump. The return should be below the water level to bleed air out.
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You don't use the top or you risk intro ducing air into the pump. The return should be below the water level to bleed air out.

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I can try to tube it like this:

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Yeah, it is probably just the limit your cooling can take.
Voltage wall is pretty huge on these chips.

4.8 with that voltage is a nice clock.
Was it stable?
Time to do a blend overnight. smile.gif

You mean you switched out the standard TIM from the h100i when you first installed it?
If so, congrats on removing a very nice TIM. Stock h100(i) TIM is superior to the AS5.
Also, spread method is not optimal on most TIM's. A rice grain is preferred.

I really think it is more your chip then the cooler placement that gives you these temps.

Yours really could shine with a proper water loop.
Mine needs around 1.488v for 4.8ghz.

I've done some blending and now have some what I hope to be definitive conclusions. Firstly, she's MUCH happier on 2 x 8GB than on 4 x 4GB, but this will perhaps come as no surprise. Anyone wanna buy 4 x 4GB of TridentX 2400? biggrin.gif

As for 12hr blend stability, 4.8Ghz on 1.488v load seems to be the sweet spot. So same as yours. More than 4.8Ghz = serious voltage for not so serious gains. And less than 1.48v isn't 12hr stable.

CPU LLC is set to Ultra High again too so things are more consistent generally; it was OK on Regular, but I had to overvolt in the BIOS to cater for the droop, which didn't seem sensible so I upped LLC and reduced the volts which is much better. Bit of a "happy middle ground" situation perhaps.

But now I have CPU NB digi+ power turned down a bit (Regular LLC, other settings dialled back) I'm seeing max temps of 48C on the core after hours and hours of blending!

I've read up on TIM from the article someone posted (thanks!) and the overriding conclusion I came to is that it's more in the application, less about the TIM itself. A bad TIM well applied can perform better than a great TIM badly applied etc. And most TIMs are rated on their ease of application, apparently.

Which seems to ring true with me and my chip. I'm still convinced that I did a better application job this time than I've ever attempted before. I get that it doesn't mean the AS5 is the perfect TIM, and I'm keen to give the Gelid everyone is recommending a go. I'll wait for a custom loop before trying though - even the best TIM, applied expertly, is only going to get me so far with an H100i.

Cheers all!

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I've read up on TIM from the article someone posted (thanks!) and the overriding conclusion I came to is that it's more in the application, less about the TIM itself. A bad TIM well applied can perform better than a great TIM badly applied etc. And most TIMs are rated on their ease of application, apparently.

Correct, Tintin. Apply with the method you are more sure you do a good job. Read this:

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/04/07/thermal_paste_shootout_q209/3

(This is why i always spread, i don't like to guess). As for "good" and "bad", in most tests you will see that the difference between the "obsolete" AS5 and the "best" pastes, is 1-1.5C. So much for good and bad.

P.S.: Yes, i know the plexiglass video in youtube, but cpu coolers are not made of plexiglass.
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Heh, you're right about the results between tims, and even application of tim it would seem. Looking at that link they cite a mere 0.6C difference between application methods of AS5, and only circa 1.5C in the difference of all of them!

Which leaves me and my herculean spreading efforts feeling rather deflated. Especially as a drop apparently made for better temps than spreading with AS5 ;D

But are the tests to be believed?

The difference could be fluke, it could be something else at play, and I wonder if it would be different if they did 3 tests for each tim and took an average.

But you'd have to be mental to even attempt such a task. I thought the 39 tims tested (including toothpaste) in the other link was beyond the limit, but I'd have much preferred testing smaller number of tims again and again, to see if their efforts actually made any difference in the long run. Or, if it was in fact, MUCH more about the application. Perhaps it makes no sense to do a review on this slant - as "experts", you'd almost expect consistent results in that regard.

We all agree that the difference between enough and too much tim isn't much, so did they use the exactly same amount each time? I doubt it.

I dunno. I like reading the comparisons and tests, but as you say, for 1 - 2C difference whatever way you cut it, well, I'm just not sure it matters given the variables at play. I do know that you can be looking at 10C+ difference if you apply tim badly though biggrin.gif
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Heh, you're right about the results between tims, and even application of tim it would seem. Looking at that link they cite a mere 0.6C difference between application methods of AS5, and only circa 1.5C in the difference of all of them!

Which leaves me and my herculean spreading efforts feeling rather deflated. Especially as a drop apparently made for better temps than spreading with AS5 ;D

But are the tests to be believed?

The difference could be fluke, it could be something else at play, and I wonder if it would be different if they did 3 tests for each tim and took an average.

But you'd have to be mental to even attempt such a task. I thought the 39 tims tested (including toothpaste) in the other link was beyond the limit, but I'd have much preferred testing smaller number of tims again and again, to see if their efforts actually made any difference in the long run. Or, if it was in fact, MUCH more about the application. Perhaps it makes no sense to do a review on this slant - as "experts", you'd almost expect consistent results in that regard.

We all agree that the difference between enough and too much tim isn't much, so did they use the exactly same amount each time? I doubt it.

I dunno. I like reading the comparisons and tests, but as you say, for 1 - 2C difference whatever way you cut it, well, I'm just not sure it matters given the variables at play. I do know that you can be looking at 10C+ difference if you apply tim badly though biggrin.gif

Yeah I agree.
One would probably have to apply certain TIM's like 10 times for every method and then compare.
But like you said, you'd have to be a nutt to do that.

And the 10c difference you talk about is most likely achieved by a bad cooler mount. No paste method can make that of a difference IMO.



But:
Good to hear you have a final clock.
Now, if you like to, you can fine tune thingst with the fsb to squeeze out some more performance.
    
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