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I have it cooled with an H60 + push/pull fan configuration. Its also near a breezy window but I had the window shut when I took that measurement.

However IIRC it crashed a little while after that post. I bumped the voltage up a notch and it ran fine all night, we'll see if it survived the day when I get home later.

Next time you run the stress test (Prime95/IBT/whatever you are using), open CPU-Z and look at the CPU frequency. Because, unless your window breeze comes from the north pole, i can't see how at full load at 4.2Ghz you can have 37C with a H60. I mean, the H60 is quite weak for a water cooler. So, if you get 37C at full load and 4.2Ghz, it is more likely that your CPU is throttled down to 1.4Ghz every 2 seconds.
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Next time you run the stress test (Prime95/IBT/whatever you are using), open CPU-Z and look at the CPU frequency. Because, unless your window breeze comes from the north pole, i can't see how at full load at 4.2Ghz you can have 37C with a H60. I mean, the H60 is quite weak for a water cooler. So, if you get 37C at full load and 4.2Ghz, it is more likely that your CPU is throttled down to 1.4Ghz every 2 seconds.

I got home and the computer was still running fine. Here is a screenshot from just a few minutes ago.

Ironically, it froze up as I was about to post this message.

I just bumped it up one more level on the voltage, now its at 1.3500V, 4.2GHz. Can't say I really see much performance difference, though, maybe because I'm running this Windows installation off an old HDD I salvaged. Lots of lag when loading programs. Have not run it at load yet on this setting. This will be my 5th attempt at keeping it stable at this speed, seems like every time it lasts a while at full load then freezes up.

However, when I was in the UEFI adjusting the voltage, I noticed that it read my CPU temp as 43C, and mobo temp as 34C. Maybe something needs to be calibrated in Windows? CoreTemp, CPUID HWMonitor, and AMD Overdrive all give the same readings.

I did not see any evidence of throttling. A while back I did see the speeds dropping to 1.4GHz sporadically but I disabled some of the auto-speed adjustment features in the UEFI and that stopped.

My motherboard is the ASrock 970 Extreme3, looks like a 4+1 phase count... I guess thats not to great?
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I got home and the computer was still running fine. Here is a screenshot from just a few minutes ago.

Ironically, it froze up as I was about to post this message.

I just bumped it up one more level on the voltage, now its at 1.3500V, 4.2GHz. Can't say I really see much performance difference, though, maybe because I'm running this Windows installation off an old HDD I salvaged. Lots of lag when loading programs. Have not run it at load yet on this setting. This will be my 5th attempt at keeping it stable at this speed, seems like every time it lasts a while at full load then freezes up.

However, when I was in the UEFI adjusting the voltage, I noticed that it read my CPU temp as 43C, and mobo temp as 34C. Maybe something needs to be calibrated in Windows? CoreTemp, CPUID HWMonitor, and AMD Overdrive all give the same readings.

I did not see any evidence of throttling. A while back I did see the speeds dropping to 1.4GHz sporadically but I disabled some of the auto-speed adjustment features in the UEFI and that stopped.

My motherboard is the ASrock 970 Extreme3, looks like a 4+1 phase count... I guess thats not to great?

Ah! You meant core temp, not CPU temp! This explains everything. Your CPU temp is 57C, your core at 37-39C. Now it all makes sense. You have the R2.0, which is a bit more "reinforced" compared to R1.0, but yeah, don't overdo it. Dont go for max overclock.

I have the R1.0 and CPU temp goes to 64C with Prime95 at 4Ghz (i also have the R2.0, but not using it). But i have a medium aircooler and mine needs 1.256v to hit 4Ghz.

My general rule with Asrocks is "don't exceed 60C CPU temp". Exactly because they are 4+1 phase and not very strong in that either. If you noticed, Asrock for your board (mine even more) has added asterisk for 83xx saying "for use with this CPU please install top-down cooler" (so that it can cool VRM and avoid failures).
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Ah! You meant core temp, not CPU temp! This explains everything. Your CPU temp is 57C, your core at 37-39C. Now it all makes sense. You have the R2.0, which is a bit more "reinforced" compared to R1.0, but yeah, don't overdo it. Dont go for max overclock.

I have the R1.0 and CPU temp goes to 64C with Prime95 at 4Ghz (i also have the R2.0, but not using it). But i have a medium aircooler and mine needs 1.256v to hit 4Ghz.

My general rule with Asrocks is "don't exceed 60C CPU temp". Exactly because they are 4+1 phase and not very strong in that either. If you noticed, Asrock for your board (mine even more) has added asterisk for 83xx saying "for use with this CPU please install top-down cooler" (so that it can cool VRM and avoid failures).

I thought that CPUTIN was the motherboard CPU socket temp, right? I have been reading the CPU#0 from CoreTemp and the Package temperature from HWMonitor as the chip-temperature. Which is the one I'm supposed to be worried about? Both CoreTemp and the AMD Overdrive software implied that I could take the core temp up to 70C. Is the VRM temperature listed somewhere in there too?

I'm not sure if I can do much about getting a fan on the VRM, I've pretty much maxed out my case with fans (rear intake & radiator, top exhaust, side exhaust, front intake).

Maybe there is a reason I keep getting BSOD and freezing at 4.2GHz under load after upping the voltage several times?

Also I keep this machine running full load all day and night with BOINC.
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I thought that CPUTIN was the motherboard CPU socket temp, right? I have been reading the CPU#0 from CoreTemp and the Package temperature from HWMonitor as the chip-temperature. Which is the one I'm supposed to be worried about? Both CoreTemp and the AMD Overdrive software implied that I could take the core temp up to 70C. Is the VRM temperature listed somewhere in there too?

I'm not sure if I can do much about getting a fan on the VRM, I've pretty much maxed out my case with fans (rear intake & radiator, top exhaust, side exhaust, front intake).

Maybe there is a reason I keep getting BSOD and freezing at 4.2GHz under load after upping the voltage several times?

Also I keep this machine running full load all day and night with BOINC.

Yes, the CPUTin is the "socket" or "Cpu Temp" in BIOS. The "package" in HWMonitor is the same as "core temp". AMD only cares about the core temp and in AMD's Overdrive is 70C max core temp. The CPU socket temp, is a concern not for the CPU itself, but rather for the motherboard itself. As you understand, AMD doesn't care if the socket goes to 80C. That's the motherboard's problem and if the motherboard burns, it's not AMD's job to RMA it. So, for the CPU, you have to worry about the core. For the longevity of the motherboard, you have to worry about the socket temperature.

If you are getting BSODs, probably you are not stable. Try to run IBT AVX at Very High for 10 passes and see if you pass.

http://www.overclock.net/attachments/13202

If you don't pass, there are 2 cases:

1) You need to up the voltage.
2) The board just can't make it to deliver clean power and you must lower clock and test again.

If the PC is stable, keeping it full load shouldn't be a problem. I also do long video encoding sessions and nothing happens. Simply, despite the "extreme" in the name, there is nothing extreme in these boards. They are not overclocking boards. Run the IBT AVX and see if you pass. If you see negative values (- something), even if it tells you "success, you passed", you are unstable.

Personally, for long full load sessions, i wouldn't keep this motherboard above 4Ghz, for longevity's sake. I actually keep mine at 3.5Ghz stock and undervolted. 3 years going strong now.

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- 6,19% MSI X79A-GD45
- 6,08% ASRock 990FX Extreme3
- 6,06% ASRock 970 Pro3

http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-database/1360#post_22956943

I always say, that you must treat something for what it is. This isn't a motherboard for overclocking, so you shouldn't treat it like one. This is why i only say 4Ghz is "safe", because it's 8350 stock. If you treat something with respect, within its specs, it will treat you back well. If you 're trying to drive like a F1 driver in a 1200c utility car, you will probably end up badly, either you or the car or both. Same thing goes for motherboards. They are sensitive pieces, so you have to treat them accordingly to what they can do. Getting a cheap board, overclocking it to the limit and then running it 24/7 at full load, is never a good idea. I also do that, but i always undervolt and never overclock. biggrin.gif
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ok, I started the club if anyone is interested.... devil.gif| 5ghz 24/7 club| devil.gif
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AVX essentially doubles your FLOPS, works the processor much harder, and will fail much easier if you are unstable. thumb.gif

You should see 60+ GFLOPS with AVX in IntelBurnTest using the settings in your screenshot a page or two ago.

Again, if you're using Windows 7, you need Service Pack 1. You probably also want to disable core parking, as well as get the Windows 7 hotfixes from the original post and install them.
Thanks for info and yes i have windows 7.1. So that core parking can make non stabilty with overclocking?
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So odd thing this morning i had left the pc on overnight downloading a few files when i awoke at 6 am it had restarted... no errors in the eventlog for a shutdown or a restart BUT i did have errors for usb device which i was thinking might be my phone BUT it was showing on two different ports not one so ive reinstalled the usb 3.0 drivers..a usb driver wouldnt cause a restart right even if it crashed... im showing about 10 errors from the usb devices dating back a couple of months since my last install but they are very random.. i also have the 1010 errors as well but they dont show info that points to anything at least not that i can see...any suggestions are welcomed it was odd to wake up to i was expecting full downloaded files instead i found the windows welcome screen with half downloaded files :0

Power Outage?
Scheduled Windows Update
Set Power Management to High Performance Mode?
 
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Windows update? It pulls that one on me all the time.


How far can you OC before the motherboard becomes an issue? Mine is whatever cheap one came bundled with the CPU at MIcrocenter. Not sure how much I trust it going above stock voltages. Is that something that you usually worry about?

These are power hungry chips. And Overclockability varies from chip to chip.

I forgot who said this but,
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A motherboard limitation has been known though. i.e. lower end motherboards from each make would not produce great OC results.

FlailScHLAMP was the one who said:

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Here's another good reason to take it easy on this motherboard:
I always say, that you must treat something for what it is. This isn't a motherboard for overclocking, so you shouldn't treat it like one. This is why i only say 4Ghz is "safe", because it's 8350 stock. If you treat something with respect, within its specs, it will treat you back well. If you 're trying to drive like a F1 driver in a 1200c utility car, you will probably end up badly, either you or the car or both. Same thing goes for motherboards. They are sensitive pieces, so you have to treat them accordingly to what they can do. Getting a cheap board, overclocking it to the limit and then running it 24/7 at full load, is never a good idea. I also do that, but i always undervolt and never overclock. biggrin.gif

I wholeheartedly agree! I once had a MSI 970A-G45 that I tried to overclock an 8150 on... it actually did quite well.... till it burnt... managed to get 5ghz "turbo" and 4.5 base to run... never tested it though as I knew the board wouldn't hold up.... well one day I forgot to downclock after playing around with some random attempt.... and it came on automatically at night... and burnt lol... oh well... took my cpu with it... that's when I went and got my saberkitty... no problems since...
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Looks nice thumb.gif
Maybe sometimes i am too proud that club member smile.gif

Thanks biggrin.gif Hope to see you in the list soon thumb.gif
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Here's another good reason to take it easy on this motherboard:
I always say, that you must treat something for what it is. This isn't a motherboard for overclocking, so you shouldn't treat it like one. This is why i only say 4Ghz is "safe", because it's 8350 stock. If you treat something with respect, within its specs, it will treat you back well. If you 're trying to drive like a F1 driver in a 1200c utility car, you will probably end up badly, either you or the car or both. Same thing goes for motherboards. They are sensitive pieces, so you have to treat them accordingly to what they can do. Getting a cheap board, overclocking it to the limit and then running it 24/7 at full load, is never a good idea. I also do that, but i always undervolt and never overclock. biggrin.gif

I wholeheartedly agree! I once had a MSI 970A-G45 that I tried to overclock an 8150 on... it actually did quite well.... till it burnt... managed to get 5ghz "turbo" and 4.5 base to run... never tested it though as I knew the board wouldn't hold up.... well one day I forgot to downclock after playing around with some random attempt.... and it came on automatically at night... and burnt lol... oh well... took my cpu with it... that's when I went and got my saberkitty... no problems since...
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Looks nice thumb.gif
Maybe sometimes i am too proud that club member smile.gif

Thanks biggrin.gif Hope to see you in the list soon thumb.gif

I have a G43 sitting behind me that i've never booted up rolleyes.gif

never had a reason to actually, looks like i might have a CVF-Z on the way so this board will become my dedicated benching board for my AM3 chips biggrin.gif
 
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I have a G43 sitting behind me that i've never booted up rolleyes.gif

never had a reason to actually, looks like i might have a CVF-Z on the way so this board will become my dedicated benching board for my AM3 chips biggrin.gif

sounds like fun... I have ideas in my head of getting a phase change cooler here and a CVF-Z for play time... but I don't see that kind of cash in my future lol..
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