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So odd thing this morning i had left the pc on overnight downloading a few files when i awoke at 6 am it had restarted... no errors in the eventlog for a shutdown or a restart BUT i did have errors for usb device which i was thinking might be my phone BUT it was showing on two different ports not one so ive reinstalled the usb 3.0 drivers..a usb driver wouldnt cause a restart right even if it crashed... im showing about 10 errors from the usb devices dating back a couple of months since my last install but they are very random.. i also have the 1010 errors as well but they dont show info that points to anything at least not that i can see...any suggestions are welcomed it was odd to wake up to i was expecting full downloaded files instead i found the windows welcome screen with half downloaded files :0


Power Outage?

Scheduled Windows Update

Set Power Management to High Performance Mode?

 
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Windows update? It pulls that one on me all the time.



How far can you OC before the motherboard becomes an issue? Mine is whatever cheap one came bundled with the CPU at MIcrocenter. Not sure how much I trust it going above stock voltages. Is that something that you usually worry about?


These are power hungry chips. And Overclockability varies from chip to chip.


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A motherboard limitation has been known though. i.e. lower end motherboards from each make would not produce great OC results.
FlailScHLAMP was the one who said:
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hehehe i remember that rant
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I am ere fella, missed me? tongue.gif

and actually i did burn/blew up my board..

I got my money back from the retail store like i said before and bought an Asus Sabertooth R2.0..
Yes i know how it sounds but it seems that its the only motherboard with a decent price that can actually handle the power draw of the FX-8350.

Long story short, my PSU died and the 8-pin CPU pin was melted on the board and on the PSU, i could not even pull it off the socket of the PSU.

I was getting weird things like, boot issues, PC that powered off for no apparent reason, weird benchmark readings etc. etc.

I had a hard time RMA my PSU and i had to buy another in order to even keep using my PC because the store i bought it from was giving me a hard time and had my PSU for over 4 days and there was nothing happening at all..

So i bought an Coolermaster V850 (i was reading reviews about it and they were very promising since they are made by Seasonic and basically made on the same platform as my X-850 only it costs 9 euro's less)

I got my Seasonic PSU back from the store because they have troubles with RMA so i said send it back and i will contact Seasonic about it.


Here some pictures:


your 8 pin just really wanted to be a six pin... all its life that's what it aspired to be lol welcome back to the performance side of the fence lol...I think someone mentioned power supply before when you were having trouble with the first board smile.gif
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your 8 pin just really wanted to be a six pin... all its life that's what it aspired to be lol welcome back to the performance side of the fence lol...I think someone mentioned power supply before when you were having trouble with the first board smile.gif

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your 8 pin just really wanted to be a six pin... all its life that's what it aspired to be lol welcome back to the performance side of the fence lol...I think someone mentioned power supply before when you were having trouble with the first board smile.gif

lol yeah i guess so, i still don't know what caused the cable to melt but i think its because the cable was faulty out of factory and after a couple of months it begins to show degradation and finally melt or simply stops working or something.

It can also be that the 8-pin CPU socket on the motherboard is too close to the VRM and since i overclocked pretty high and practically only touched the heat sinks to be sure they were not getting too hot, it could be that the cable was melted to the motherboard but than again, its stuck on the PSU as well so to me the first thing is the most logical to me.

Very sharp memory indeed, now you mention it i remember too that someone said something about the PSU, but i was stubborn and since Seasonic is the best power supply you can buy, i didn't thought about it until i actually did.

Now i have an even better one than before and still i have to RMA my broken Seasonic x-850. I emailed Seasonic about it and i expect an answer pretty soon.
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your 8 pin just really wanted to be a six pin... all its life that's what it aspired to be lol welcome back to the performance side of the fence lol...I think someone mentioned power supply before when you were having trouble with the first board smile.gif

lol yeah i guess so, i still don't know what caused the cable to melt but i think its because the cable was faulty out of factory and after a couple of months it begins to show degradation and finally melt or simply stops working or something.

It can also be that the 8-pin CPU socket on the motherboard is too close to the VRM and since i overclocked pretty high and practically only touched the heat sinks to be sure they were not getting too hot, it could be that the cable was melted to the motherboard but than again, its stuck on the PSU as well so to me the first thing is the most logical to me.

Very sharp memory indeed, now you mention it i remember too that someone said something about the PSU, but i was stubborn and since Seasonic is the best power supply you can buy, i didn't thought about it until i actually did.

Now i have an even better one than before and still i have to RMA my broken Seasonic x-850. I emailed Seasonic about it and i expect an answer pretty soon.

It's important to note that not all the pin outs are the same from one modular psu to the next, even of the same brand. That cable looks different than the X series psu's that I have. Are you sure it's the correct one for that PSU?
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It's important to note that not all the pin outs are the same from one modular psu to the next, even of the same brand. That cable looks different than the X series psu's that I have. Are you sure it's the correct one for that PSU?

I am not sure what you mean but i use the cable that comes with the Seasonic X-850 that is for the CPU header on the motherboard. Its actually on the connector itself that one side is for the CPU and the other is for PSU, so little can go wrong if you ask me since its an single 12v rail and as long as it fits you can plug anything in it.

I did the same with my Coolermaster V850. Of course i used the standard cables that comes included with the power supply, i do want to note that the CM cables look the same but they are much more flexible than the Seasonic ones that makes cable routing A LOT easier.

I do know that even if the cables look the same and the PSU is made by Seasonic, the pin outs are different and you should NEVER put an different cable in the PSU without knowing for sure its going to fit and the pin outs are the same.

I asked this in the Seasonic thread because i wanted to have some nice looking blue cables made by Corsair and my impression was that they would fit because the PSU's are made by Seasonic but its not going to fit and if so, its not wise to do because the pin outs are very different and you can actually burn your PSU or other components or maybe both.
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Yah um, see this thread for info on AM3+ motherboard VRM setups.

For an 8-core Vishera, overclocking heavily on anything less than a 8+2 VRM setup is unadvisable. Someone will have to correct me on this, but I think 6+2 could handle a mild OC on an FX-8350 under load. (Less than 4.5ghz). This is especially important if you plan on regular heavy usage that will load the processor to 100%, such as video encoding or folding. For gaming, it doesn't matter as much as it's generally less stressful on the CPU.

With a 4+1 phase board, and any 8-core FX chip, ANY load on the processor is inherently dangerous, and runs the risk of overloading the voltage circuitry and frying the board + possibly the CPU.

(Unfortunately, neither AMD nor the motherboard manufacturers tell you any of this information before you buy, but I personally think it should be more well known. If you're gonna run an 8 core FX, you need a board better than $100, or there is that risk.)

I'm sure some of the regulars here can probably tell you about 8 core FX chips frying lower end boards. It has to have happened to someone. (Though I can't remember who.)

I think the the E Vishera types will work on 4 + 1 but that don't mean it will work overclocked on that board. I have a 8350 currently running in 890FX and the only way available to cool it is a 130 watt air cooler. It should be no surprise it has to be underclocked 10% or it overheats. I personally believe they lie in saying Total Power Dissipation = 125 watts . I think that should normal usage = 125 watts not 100%. I would think 100% = total, but I did'nt get a common core education.

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Yah um, see this thread for info on AM3+ motherboard VRM setups.

For an 8-core Vishera, overclocking heavily on anything less than a 8+2 VRM setup is unadvisable. Someone will have to correct me on this, but I think 6+2 could handle a mild OC on an FX-8350 under load. (Less than 4.5ghz). This is especially important if you plan on regular heavy usage that will load the processor to 100%, such as video encoding or folding. For gaming, it doesn't matter as much as it's generally less stressful on the CPU.

With a 4+1 phase board, and any 8-core FX chip, ANY load on the processor is inherently dangerous, and runs the risk of overloading the voltage circuitry and frying the board + possibly the CPU.

(Unfortunately, neither AMD nor the motherboard manufacturers tell you any of this information before you buy, but I personally think it should be more well known. If you're gonna run an 8 core FX, you need a board better than $100, or there is that risk.)

I'm sure some of the regulars here can probably tell you about 8 core FX chips frying lower end boards. It has to have happened to someone. (Though I can't remember who.)

I think the the E Vishera types will work on 4 + 1 but that don't mean it will work overclocked on that board. I have a 8350 currently running in 890FX and the only way available to cool it is a 130 watt air cooler. It should be no surprise it has to be underclocked 10% or it overheats. I personally believe they lie in saying Total Power Dissipation = 125 watts . I think that should normal usage = 125 watts not 100%. I would think 100% = total, but I did'nt get a common core education.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_design_power

heat dissipated =/= watts used.

thermal watts not, electrical watts.

I wouldn't trust the 8core Vish-e's on a 4+1 personally. irregardless of what you did to that thing.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_design_power

heat dissipated =/= watts used.

thermal watts not, electrical watts.

I wouldn't trust the 8core Vish-e's on a 4+1 personally. irregardless of what you did to that thing.

This wikipedia aphorism must end at some point, because at the end, most of the input power of a CPU, is lost as heat. So speaking as if there was some abysmal difference, is misleading

1) There is no 1 definition of TDP.
2) Even by Intel's definition, the TDP is very close approximation of what the power draw will be. The following are fron Intel white paper:






Note that even by Intel's definition, the words used are "might consume", slightly more power", "one microsecond".

Now, one can draw whatever conclusions from that. For AMD, things are even less confusing. Of course, this applies at stock.

For the history, kill-a-watt at hand and on the same rig, my FX8320 fully undervolted, consumes EXACTLY the same watts as my 1090T undervolted and my FX6300 undervolted consumes EXACTLY the same as my Athlon 640 undervolted. This "coincidence" says something about the relation TDP-power draw.

EDIT 1:

Where's the "devil in the details" in AMD's definition? In the sentence "for commercially useful applications". Translation: Prime95, which draws 20W more than video encoding, is at the discretion of AMD whether is or isn't "commercially useful application". This is also the complain of say, MSI, that in a reply of a technical support to a user, said "AMD when running stress tests in the FX, draws 140W, exceeding the 125W TDP, this is why our motherboard throttles". "Not our fault, AMD is cheating on the TDP".

EDIT 2. Here it is:
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Here's an email from MSI:

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Hi Dan,

According to RD engineers from our HQ,

1. AMD has claimed that the FX-8350 to be 125W. However, during our internal testing, when the usage of CPU reaches 100% through Prime 95 for a while, the power consumption can exceed 125W and reaches 140W. With such condition on the 970A-G46, the high amount of power draw also causes the MOSFET to exceed its spec and will overheat.

Thus, to prevent such any potential hazard to the MOSFET, 970A-G46’s BIOS will trick the processor that its temperature is 225 degrees which will then allow the CPU to throttle. This is aimed to make the system stable in this condition.

2. We had tested using 3DMark and it did not cause throttling. Throttling only happens when the loading on a 125W CPU usage is heavy by the use of heavy burn-in tools such as Prime 95/OCCT, and such testing methods are not standard usage scenario or practical.

Please also keep in mind that this throttling behavior keeps system stable under such heavy-loading condition.

This is more of AMD’s issue on the FX-8350 because the TDP was rated lower than its actual value.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34588633&postcount=24

Well, AMD isn't exactly cheating. It has a "loose" interpretation of it, but in any case, the TDP, in a "worst case load scenario", is very close to the actual power draw. A CPU may be 125W at full load for "commercially useful applications" and become 145W under Prime95, because it's not commercially useful application. This explains why motherboards that used to be able to run a Thuban, throttle with 8350 and Prime95.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_design_power

heat dissipated =/= watts used.

thermal watts not, electrical watts.

I wouldn't trust the 8core Vish-e's on a 4+1 personally. irregardless of what you did to that thing.

Having over clocked a FX8350 on a 4+1 board to 4.5 I Know the problems that arise.

Cooling the VRMs and the northbridge become a full time job. When I moved to the Saberkitty I came straight in at 4.7 and am now at 5.1.

You can run a 8350 on a 4+1 board but I would now recommend only 8+2 boards as a minimum as the problems with heat dispersion is hard to deal with.

But if you do go for a 4+1 board the lessons learnt in cooling will stand you in good stead when you move up to a 8+2 board.

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PARTHICA Gaming Keyboard Powercool X-Viper 750W Power Supply 80 Plus Bronze Coolermaster Haf 922 CM Storm 
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