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Mega works about 80 hours a week I think.

On another note...if you guys would implement the proper use of the 'Red Screw', you could avoid Bottlenecks all together!



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Wouldn't you need a Red Screw for each gpu?
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Mega works about 80 hours a week I think.

On another note...if you guys would implement the proper use of the 'Red Screw', you could avoid Bottlenecks all together!



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Wouldn't you need a Red Screw for each gpu?

A Common misconception. When CF bridges were still being used that was the case. Now that it is being handled through the PCIE Bus,  only one in the position of the last GPU is required.

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Ha, Good point
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Heh, I'm retired, and even if I wasn't I was never forum staff, and even if I was that most certainly would not be worth even a warning. A moderator might even praise them for keeping it civil.
Oh this should be good...

Which part exactly were you offended by? Was it;

A) Me pointing out others have mistakenly used Red's things as "proof".
B) Me saying you were wrong to point to a build that is not finished and actively has no proof.
C) Me saying that none of Red's benches are proof because they cover an extremely small usage situation and even if they didn't they still do not disprove there being a CPU bottleneck.
D) The fact I defended Hurricanes question since it had no wording to express disbelief and seemed to be an honest question.
E) Me saying that the CPU I have over two years of experience with can be bottlenecked in certain situations.
F) Me saying that it is situation dependant and what bottlenecks what relies on what you are doing with what settings?
Na man, you buy leftover stuff from Costco or Sams Club the day after, on Nov 1st.

You know what bothers me about CPU bottleneck talk? I have yet to see anyone provide proof that they were unable to play a game because of the CPU. Sure they may be able to show an increase of fps at some level. It usually is in titles that already exceed 60fps avg and not game breaking. I guess i look at differently, hearing "bottleneck" i think of stuck or broken performance that stops the user from enjoying/using the product. Instead these days it's someone looking at 3rd party monitoring software and when they don't see 100% usage on a gpu/gpu's its a bottle neck. Disregarding the actual FPS, and easily getting distracted by a silly meter. Now if they are unable to get acceptable FPS and low usage then i can understand. However i feel the CPU gets blamed quickly without checking into the software thats having issues. I'm using 60fps as a meter in this instance, of course that's not including people who play on 120+hz monitors. I guess it's all about perspective of the user and not just hardware/software alone. Also skipping benching on this because thats a numbers game and anything can "bottleneck".

In my personal experience everytime i have way more GPU power than CPU i usually have a positive experience in the games. When i am dissapointed by the performance it's usually the game's poor coding/optimizations holding it back. When its the cpu holding it back, i am usually well within a playable state. I can't wait to get my 9590 back in action on a test bench with some 290's again. I have to revisit performance issues now that i've more time on another intel platform.
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You know what bothers me about CPU bottleneck talk? I have yet to see anyone provide proof that they were unable to play a game because of the CPU. Sure they may be able to show an increase of fps at some level. It usually is in titles that already exceed 60fps avg and not game breaking. I guess i look at differently, hearing "bottleneck" i think of stuck or broken performance that stops the user from enjoying/using the product. Instead these days it's someone looking at 3rd party monitoring software and when they don't see 100% usage on a gpu/gpu's its a bottle neck. Disregarding the actual FPS, and easily getting distracted by a silly meter. Now if they are unable to get acceptable FPS and low usage then i can understand. However i feel the CPU gets blamed quickly without checking into the software thats having issues. I'm using 60fps as a meter in this instance, of course that's not including people who play on 120+hz monitors. I guess it's all about perspective of the user and not just hardware/software alone. Also skipping benching on this because thats a numbers game and anything can "bottleneck".

In my personal experience every time i have way more GPU power than CPU i usually have a positive experience in the games. When i am dissapointed by the performance it's usually the game's poor coding/optimizations holding it back. When its the cpu holding it back, i am usually well within a playable state. I can't wait to get my 9590 back in action on a test bench with some 290's again. I have to revisit performance issues now that i've more time on another intel platform.

although agreeable.. I guess the biggest reason for the bottleneck debate is more about technically if GPUs are not loaded 100% unless terribad coding, then it is a CPU bottleneck.. think about a freeway where the traffic slows down to the 45-50MPH range, sure traffic flows still drivable and by all means not grid locked but it still is a bottleneck.. the examples for 100% gpu usage is more for the Most ideal conditions. However yes the 120hz monitors and such you need more out of your system. what I do also say is that the bottleneck is more a look into the future, what component will need to be replaced first.. as titles come out that are more demanding then you may just need to get a better CPU

both sides are logic, I personally build for the future with expand ability, then cost/performance so yeah I spend more on a GPU than I do on a chip but as you said it makes sense. really all of it applies, just more of what you need/want it for and what you can do with said system that you are happy with.
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 Oh ok, I have tried to explain bottlenecks and multiple GPU to many myself when they take a coupleinstabces and make an absolute either way. Because my point was that I have not put enough benches out there for anyone to make a decision (assuming critical thinking and corresponding vs correlating facts. smile.gif

Which is why I linked to your thread tbh but my point hasn't really been seen. rolleyes.gif

Keep up the good work Red and nice to see you on the mend again. biggrin.gif
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Supersampling/DSR is different to actual resolution but yeah, similar effect.

besides, just because i have the power doesn't mean it all has to be utilised, under clock them and they run nice and cool and i'm still well over 120fps in everything smile.gif

I see, but IMO that is a waste of money and performance..

Did you bought it just to get ridiculous high benchmark scores or are you actually going to use that power?
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Dang! My socket hits 60°c then it throttles, been playing with volts again to see how low I can get them and such and since we had spoken about the subject recently decided to find where mine would throttle too. I've also had some thermal shut downs too lol!
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Which part exactly were you offended by? Was it;

A) Me pointing out others have mistakenly used Red's things as "proof".
B) Me saying you were wrong to point to a build that is not finished and actively has no proof.
C) Me saying that none of Red's benches are proof because they cover an extremely small usage situation and even if they didn't they still do not disprove there being a CPU bottleneck.
D) The fact I defended Hurricanes question since it had no wording to express disbelief and seemed to be an honest question.
E) Me saying that the CPU I have over two years of experience with can be bottlenecked in certain situations.
F) Me saying that it is situation dependant and what bottlenecks what relies on what you are doing with what settings?

rolleyes.gif I said...
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and I'll leave it at that.
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I see, but IMO that is a waste of money and performance..

Did you bought it just to get ridiculous high benchmark scores or are you actually going to use that power?

Looks like he can do both.
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