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Well the more i am looking for reviews about products the more confused i get it seems.

I seen a lot of benchmarks that state that the NZXT kraken x61 beats the Cooler master nepton 280L and others claim the other way around..

This is normal. There is no test standardization out there. For all you know, the tester may have have had a rise in ambient between 2 coolers and results are flawed...
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So as for sound cards, i seen a lot of ridiculous claims on youtube and one channel called Tek Syndicate even said that an onboard sound card is just as good as an dedicated card that is designed for it... and that is coming from a guy that actually works with audio so he claims..

I think some people who do reviews are from another reality lol

but anyway, i heard some good things about the Asus cards and the x-Fi cards as well.. so it all comes down to what kind of sound i like the most and to test that i need to actually buy one of them and find out i guess.

I do want a sound card that has an DAC inside so that is why i looked for the Creative x-Fi elite pro. And yes, for only 40 euro's i suppose you are right that i can't go wrong.

This is also common, sound perception is very subjective, both in quantity and quality. As you grow older, you start losing frequencies and even what you hear, is interpreted differently. If you google, you will find more discussions that say that onboard is the same or impossible to discern unless you use very high quality headphones.

I use headphones most of the time and since i usually encode a DPLII audio track, i bought ASUS Xonar DG, becuase it has Dolby Headphone. Turns out after a day, i disabled the Dolby headphone in the driver, it was so fake. And at the end i went back to onboard audio... I have the card sitting in its box... The only good thing i found is that the Xonar had internal amplifier so it was boosting a lot the audio signal. But i have the headphones connected to a speaker, so i use the speaker's knob to amplify...

It's the same story with people who claim they can tell a 192K mp3 from a 224k from a 320k and from real CD. I don't know, i can't tell the difference. The music can be as digital as it likes, my ears work in analog mode. The soundwave is analog, the meccanism inside the ear that generates the neural impulse is analog... I mean, i don't think people are doing it on purpose trying to fool the others. It's just that not all ears are same. At the same way there is visual acuity, there is also auditory. And also subjectiveness on what sound one likes. You can see in reviews people saying "wonderful bass", another say "too much bass" for the same product.
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Have you researched in to Asus sound cards?
I use one atm and I find it very nice.

Seems that the Essence are better cards then the Creative x-fi's.

But for 40 euro's you cant go wrong.

Well the more i am looking for reviews about products the more confused i get it seems.

I seen a lot of benchmarks that state that the NZXT kraken x61 beats the Cooler master nepton 280L and others claim the other way around..

So as for sound cards, i seen a lot of ridiculous claims on youtube and one channel called Tek Syndicate even said that an onboard sound card is just as good as an dedicated card that is designed for it... and that is coming from a guy that actually works with audio so he claims..

I think some people who do reviews are from another reality lol

but anyway, i heard some good things about the Asus cards and the x-Fi cards as well.. so it all comes down to what kind of sound i like the most and to test that i need to actually buy one of them and find out i guess.

I do want a sound card that has an DAC inside so that is why i looked for the Creative x-Fi elite pro. And yes, for only 40 euro's i suppose you are right that i can't go wrong.

Thats why I linked you to the Frostytech review Hurr. they are one site that accounts for difference in ambient temps while testing and is a Delta based result. :)

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i make different 192k and 320k because 320k plays louder with less volume and often gives more bass too
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i make different 192k and 320k because 320k plays louder with less volume and often gives more bass too

When i listen to music i usually do something else at the same time, so i never pay attention to such things. But i will keep it in mind. I notice the difference because the 320k file is bigger. This i always notice. biggrin.gif
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I've admitted defeat, my loop simply couldn't handle the voltages for my 5ghz to be stable, I had a bad crash while designing a website so i've gone down to 4.8ghz for now until money permits another rad and a better pump.

Here is a shot of my tubing.

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This is normal. There is no test standardization out there. For all you know, the tester may have have had a rise in ambient between 2 coolers and results are flawed...
This is also common, sound perception is very subjective, both in quantity and quality. As you grow older, you start losing frequencies and even what you hear, is interpreted differently. If you google, you will find more discussions that say that onboard is the same or impossible to discern unless you use very high quality headphones.

I use headphones most of the time and since i usually encode a DPLII audio track, i bought ASUS Xonar DG, becuase it has Dolby Headphone. Turns out after a day, i disabled the Dolby headphone in the driver, it was so fake. And at the end i went back to onboard audio... I have the card sitting in its box... The only good thing i found is that the Xonar had internal amplifier so it was boosting a lot the audio signal. But i have the headphones connected to a speaker, so i use the speaker's knob to amplify...

It's the same story with people who claim they can tell a 192K mp3 from a 224k from a 320k and from real CD. I don't know, i can't tell the difference. The music can be as digital as it likes, my ears work in analog mode. The soundwave is analog, the meccanism inside the ear that generates the neural impulse is analog... I mean, i don't think people are doing it on purpose trying to fool the others. It's just that not all ears are same. At the same way there is visual acuity, there is also auditory. And also subjectiveness on what sound one likes. You can see in reviews people saying "wonderful bass", another say "too much bass" for the same product.

Yes i agree with you.

I noticed the difference between my previous UD5 and the Sabertooth when i played some YouTube songs like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGlGBIzN2ls

I often play music with my headphone on because it sounds just amazing. with the UD5 it took way less volume than the Sabertooth to begin with and the sound is not even close to the UD5 and i am not exaggerating..

I have ATH- M50x and they sound so much better with an higher SNR sound card, its not only because its louder but i miss a lot of tones with the Sabertooth as well witch i heard on the UD5.

Sound is indeed an perception and everyone hears it different. I do want to note that your ears get used to speakers, amplifiers etc. but there is such a thing as 'good audio quality' and 'perception' of good audio quality.

Its like the same as a movie, when i have an Blueray of 50GB or 5GB the 50GB image is much clearer and the sound is much better but both they are 1080p full HD. You understand what i am getting at?

Sorry i don't know how to explain in English but i guess you understand biggrin.gif
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This is normal. There is no test standardization out there. For all you know, the tester may have have had a rise in ambient between 2 coolers and results are flawed...
This is also common, sound perception is very subjective, both in quantity and quality. As you grow older, you start losing frequencies and even what you hear, is interpreted differently. If you google, you will find more discussions that say that onboard is the same or impossible to discern unless you use very high quality headphones.

I use headphones most of the time and since i usually encode a DPLII audio track, i bought ASUS Xonar DG, becuase it has Dolby Headphone. Turns out after a day, i disabled the Dolby headphone in the driver, it was so fake. And at the end i went back to onboard audio... I have the card sitting in its box... The only good thing i found is that the Xonar had internal amplifier so it was boosting a lot the audio signal. But i have the headphones connected to a speaker, so i use the speaker's knob to amplify...

It's the same story with people who claim they can tell a 192K mp3 from a 224k from a 320k and from real CD. I don't know, i can't tell the difference. The music can be as digital as it likes, my ears work in analog mode. The soundwave is analog, the meccanism inside the ear that generates the neural impulse is analog... I mean, i don't think people are doing it on purpose trying to fool the others. It's just that not all ears are same. At the same way there is visual acuity, there is also auditory. And also subjectiveness on what sound one likes. You can see in reviews people saying "wonderful bass", another say "too much bass" for the same product.

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Thats why I linked you to the Frostytech review Hurr. they are one site that accounts for difference in ambient temps while testing and is a Delta based result. smile.gif

Yes you did, but a lot of reviews i saw were actually having the same testing methodology and uses delta temps instead of CPU temps. The results vary a lot.

Its kinda strange that some people claim that the swiftech coolers perform so well but that's not what i see in many reviews, they do an excellent job but they never are the best consider the fact its all copper rad and the pump is very strong they should perform better than what i see in reviews.

Understand what i am trying to say here? Its kinda confusing you know. I hate buying stuff that doesn't work right and than have to return and buy something else, had that too many times now so that's why i am so careful wen o pick my components and watch a lot of reviews but the more i see the more questions i get lol.
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This is normal. There is no test standardization out there. For all you know, the tester may have have had a rise in ambient between 2 coolers and results are flawed...
This is also common, sound perception is very subjective, both in quantity and quality. As you grow older, you start losing frequencies and even what you hear, is interpreted differently. If you google, you will find more discussions that say that onboard is the same or impossible to discern unless you use very high quality headphones.

I use headphones most of the time and since i usually encode a DPLII audio track, i bought ASUS Xonar DG, becuase it has Dolby Headphone. Turns out after a day, i disabled the Dolby headphone in the driver, it was so fake. And at the end i went back to onboard audio... I have the card sitting in its box... The only good thing i found is that the Xonar had internal amplifier so it was boosting a lot the audio signal. But i have the headphones connected to a speaker, so i use the speaker's knob to amplify...

It's the same story with people who claim they can tell a 192K mp3 from a 224k from a 320k and from real CD. I don't know, i can't tell the difference. The music can be as digital as it likes, my ears work in analog mode. The soundwave is analog, the meccanism inside the ear that generates the neural impulse is analog... I mean, i don't think people are doing it on purpose trying to fool the others. It's just that not all ears are same. At the same way there is visual acuity, there is also auditory. And also subjectiveness on what sound one likes. You can see in reviews people saying "wonderful bass", another say "too much bass" for the same product.

Yes i agree with you.

I noticed the difference between my previous UD5 and the Sabertooth when i played some YouTube songs like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGlGBIzN2ls

I often play music with my headphone on because it sounds just amazing. with the UD5 it took way less volume than the Sabertooth to begin with and the sound is not even close to the UD5 and i am not exaggerating..

I have ATH- M50x and they sound so much better with an higher SNR sound card, its not only because its louder but i miss a lot of tones with the Sabertooth as well witch i heard on the UD5.

Sound is indeed an perception and everyone hears it different. I do want to note that your ears get used to speakers, amplifiers etc. but there is such a thing as 'good audio quality' and 'perception' of good audio quality.

Its like the same as a movie, when i have an Blueray of 50GB or 5GB the 50GB image is much clearer and the sound is much better but both they are 1080p full HD. You understand what i am getting at?

Sorry i don't know how to explain in English but i guess you understand biggrin.gif
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This is normal. There is no test standardization out there. For all you know, the tester may have have had a rise in ambient between 2 coolers and results are flawed...
This is also common, sound perception is very subjective, both in quantity and quality. As you grow older, you start losing frequencies and even what you hear, is interpreted differently. If you google, you will find more discussions that say that onboard is the same or impossible to discern unless you use very high quality headphones.

I use headphones most of the time and since i usually encode a DPLII audio track, i bought ASUS Xonar DG, becuase it has Dolby Headphone. Turns out after a day, i disabled the Dolby headphone in the driver, it was so fake. And at the end i went back to onboard audio... I have the card sitting in its box... The only good thing i found is that the Xonar had internal amplifier so it was boosting a lot the audio signal. But i have the headphones connected to a speaker, so i use the speaker's knob to amplify...

It's the same story with people who claim they can tell a 192K mp3 from a 224k from a 320k and from real CD. I don't know, i can't tell the difference. The music can be as digital as it likes, my ears work in analog mode. The soundwave is analog, the meccanism inside the ear that generates the neural impulse is analog... I mean, i don't think people are doing it on purpose trying to fool the others. It's just that not all ears are same. At the same way there is visual acuity, there is also auditory. And also subjectiveness on what sound one likes. You can see in reviews people saying "wonderful bass", another say "too much bass" for the same product.
 
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Thats why I linked you to the Frostytech review Hurr. they are one site that accounts for difference in ambient temps while testing and is a Delta based result. smile.gif

Yes you did, but a lot of reviews i saw were actually having the same testing methodology and uses delta temps instead of CPU temps. The results vary a lot.

Its kinda strange that some people claim that the swiftech coolers perform so well but that's not what i see in many reviews, they do an excellent job but they never are the best consider the fact its all copper rad and the pump is very strong they should perform better than what i see in reviews.

Understand what i am trying to say here? Its kinda confusing you know. I hate buying stuff that doesn't work right and than have to return and buy something else, had that too many times now so that's why i am so careful wen o pick my components and watch a lot of reviews but the more i see the more questions i get lol.

oh sure I do. I am just giving you you what i know having my hands on the H100/H100i etc and now the Nepton 280L.

having tested it myself and speaking with others who have as well, I believe the Nepton 280L is the top of the heap right now for AIOs. 

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Yes i agree with you.

I noticed the difference between my previous UD5 and the Sabertooth when i played some YouTube songs like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGlGBIzN2ls

I often play music with my headphone on because it sounds just amazing. with the UD5 it took way less volume than the Sabertooth to begin with and the sound is not even close to the UD5 and i am not exaggerating..

I have ATH- M50x and they sound so much better with an higher SNR sound card, its not only because its louder but i miss a lot of tones with the Sabertooth as well witch i heard on the UD5.

Sound is indeed an perception and everyone hears it different. I do want to note that your ears get used to speakers, amplifiers etc. but there is such a thing as 'good audio quality' and 'perception' of good audio quality.

Its like the same as a movie, when i have an Blueray of 50GB or 5GB the 50GB image is much clearer and the sound is much better but both they are 1080p full HD. You understand what i am getting at?

Sorry i don't know how to explain in English but i guess you understand biggrin.gif

Your english is perfectly understandable and english isn't my native language either, so don't worry. I completely understand what you are saying. You have sensitive hearing for example, while i don't care much about audio in general and i probably have mediocre hearing and never paid too much attention to sound. I mean, i have a Realtec ALC8xx something on one motherboard, VIA something 108SNR on a Gigabyte. And if go from one to another, i can't say i understand which one is supposed to be better. I know i should say the Gigabyte, because it's a pubblicity point, but i couldn't tell why...

I am more picky on visuals. If the monitor has a slight smudge or grain of dust, i will see it. Or as you say with video. Not even 50GB to 5GB. Take two 4 GB 720P videos. One encoded with very low deblocking into x264 (-3,-3) and one with very high deblocking (1,1). Show it to a bunch of people. Some will say they liked the -3 because they saw the increased details, some will say that 1,1 was "so much better", because it was "so smooth", even if it loses details, because for some a "smooth, uniform texture", looks more pleasing to the eye than seeing the skin wrinkles in the face. I prefer the wrinkles... But... I can usually suspect when something is made with -1-1 vs -3-3 just by looking.
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oh sure I do. I am just giving you you what i know having my hands on the H100/H100i etc and now the Nepton 280L.
having tested it myself and speaking with others who have as well, I believe the Nepton 280L is the top of the heap right now for AIOs. 

ah so you actually tested it yourself? So what do you think, is it a good upgrade from my H100i? how much temp difference did you actually measure between those 2?
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Your english is perfectly understandable and english isn't my native language either, so don't worry. I completely understand what you are saying. You have sensitive hearing for example, while i don't care much about audio in general and i probably have mediocre hearing and never paid too much attention to sound. I mean, i have a Realtec ALC8xx something on one motherboard, VIA something 108SNR on a Gigabyte. And if go from one to another, i can't say i understand which one is supposed to be better. I know i should say the Gigabyte, because it's a pubblicity point, but i couldn't tell why...

I am more picky on visuals. If the monitor has a slight smudge or grain of dust, i will see it. Or as you say with video. Not even 50GB to 5GB. Take two 4 GB 720P videos. One encoded with very low deblocking into x264 (-3,-3) and one with very high deblocking (1,1). Show it to a bunch of people. Some will say they liked the -3 because they saw the increased details, some will say that 1,1 was "so much better", because it was "so smooth", even if it loses details, because for some a "smooth, uniform texture", looks more pleasing to the eye than seeing the skin wrinkles in the face. I prefer the wrinkles... But... I can usually suspect when something is made with -1-1 vs -3-3 just by looking.

Thnx, i try my best biggrin.gif

I speak 4 Languages so sometimes its hard to make correct sentences but i'm glad you understand me.

but anyway, i had the Gigabyte 990FXA-UD5 rev 1.1 and rev 3.0 and both have the same 108dB Signal-to-Noise ratio playback.

Most people confuse louder with better audio but that's not true but i do hear a clear difference between the Giga and the Asus onboard audio and its louder as well.

I have no idea how much SNR the Asus board can produce but its way less than the gigabyte board unfortunately. The only reason i went with the Asus board is that the Gigabyte could not cope with the nuclear heat the FX 8350 produces at high overclocks. But as for now i am more than happy with the Asus sabertooth but the audio is simply not as good as i expected.

I have the same with visuals, when i was looking for a decent 24 inch monitor i tried several brands and series but all of them were very bad and had ghosting and tearing. That is why i went with the best gaming monitor available back than and that was the Asus VG248QE and i am very very happy with it so far, yes there are many monitors that have much better colors but are not very suitable for gaming.


I hear you on the deblocking, i have the same i have very sharp ears and eyes and some say its nice but sometimes it can be a pain because i need to buy good monitor, TV or sound card in order to be satisfied. If i buy lower end stuff i always regret it so i have to return it and get better ones instead so i always look at a lot of reviews and if possible hear/see it in the store.

I did the same with choosing my headphone, i had tried several Sennheiser and they sounded like crap and i was missing a lot of tones so i returned them with the message that they didn't sound that well like they said.

After reading lots and lots of reviews i come across the ATH M50x and listen to them in the music store in my city and i was immediately sold. They sound so well and there is not too much base like others but very natural sound IMO.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/audio-technica-ath-m50x-review
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