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you said if your fps go over 60 then cpu power drops so just use v-sync and then never goes over 60fps and then your cpu never drop power too
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Installed the 780 TI yesterday, less than 10 runs in and I've cracked the top 5 on the Orb for the combo.
No tess tweaks, no overvolting, high temp of 61 on the gpu , plenty of Vishera left in the tank too smile.gif
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ya love me dont ya....will u buy me one tongue.gif

i had 550ti then 660ti's in sli and wanted to go 780ti but price is just crazy compared to older gen ti's were

That would be because the 560ti and 660ti are midrange parts and the 780ti is a top-end part. One of them would destroy your old 660tis in SLI on it's own.
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Wow that's cheap. Are they second hand? I know prices have fallen but I didn't think by that much.

The 970 and 980 basically wrecked the R9 and 700 series cards prices. Now is a really good time to get a top-end card.
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Wow that's cheap. Are they second hand? I know prices have fallen but I didn't think by that much.

New cards through newegg, but I think amazon is ( or was ) matching the price on the 290X smile.gif

The classified is such a nice card, the Lightning will have it's work cut out for it.

??? Was it some kind of special deal? They're still $700 when I punch it in at the egg. Am I missing something?
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Having 60+ fps isn't the cause, I was just sayin that my fps drops from 60 to 20 because the cpu clock drops, for some reason only in bf4.
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That would be because the 560ti and 660ti are midrange parts and the 780ti is a top-end part. One of them would destroy your old 660tis in SLI on it's own.
The 970 and 980 basically wrecked the R9 and 700 series cards prices. Now is a really good time to get a top-end card
.

since ya in a good mood rolleyes.gif whats this card like compared to 7950

i know it would blow it away lol but i was merely trying to say was past ti's have been affordable whilst the 780ti are expensive

well at least for me lol if u understand what im saying
Edited by gertruude - 11/6/14 at 10:09am
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Installed the 780 TI yesterday, less than 10 runs in and I've cracked the top 5 on the Orb for the combo.
No tess tweaks, no overvolting, high temp of 61 on the gpu , plenty of Vishera left in the tank too smile.gif
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


ya love me dont ya....will u buy me one tongue.gif

i had 550ti then 660ti's in sli and wanted to go 780ti but price is just crazy compared to older gen ti's were

That would be because the 560ti and 660ti are midrange parts and the 780ti is a top-end part. One of them would destroy your old 660tis in SLI on it's own.
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Wow that's cheap. Are they second hand? I know prices have fallen but I didn't think by that much.

The 970 and 980 basically wrecked the R9 and 700 series cards prices. Now is a really good time to get a top-end card.

It really is, I don't know what black friday will bring , but I don't see prices for these top tier older gen cards getting much lower than what I paid.
I've always settled for the cheaper versions of the same gpu , but there is quite a difference once you start overclocking, that's for sure.
Looking forward to playing with the Lightning, should be here Friday. I think it will end up being paired with my z87 mpower/4790k rig, they have the same color theme. Any suggestions for a case that would match the yellow and black board and card? Something that would handle 240 or 280 rad smile.gif

EDIT : @Johan45 here is the deal i got on the classy http://www.overclock.net/t/1521591/newegg-evga-780-ti-classified-359-99-after-40-rebate-with-borderlands-too

I've done really well in the bargain hunting dept lately, those 2 cards and the Z87 Mpower was only $88 at fry's ( wow, what a board - bios options out the wazoo). The only thing I feel like I spent too much on was the $340 4790k frown.gif . But , it's 400 miles to the nearest microcenter, and I got impatient lol.
Edited by cssorkinman - 11/6/14 at 10:14am
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That would be because the 560ti and 660ti are midrange parts and the 780ti is a top-end part. One of them would destroy your old 660tis in SLI on it's own.
The 970 and 980 basically wrecked the R9 and 700 series cards prices. Now is a really good time to get a top-end card
.

since ya in a good mood rolleyes.gif whats this card like compared to 7950

2560 shaders vs 1792.
4GB VRAM vs 3GB
323GB/s bandwidth vs 240GB/s
64 ROPs vs 32.

It's about 50-60% stronger overall. It doesn't have many features above the 7950 aside from XDMA, and the DCU II cooler for the 290(x) was meh by DCU standards, but it was still a good cooler. Honestly, you're on 1080 60hz, a 290 is made for 4k and can do 1440 60hz on its own in most games, it's overkill. But...

*Prepares for all the people who think I'm a diehard AMD fanboy to die of heart attack*

If you were going to spend that much on a GPU and not upgrade your monitor to a 120/144hz or 1440p, I would recommend the GTX 970 instead. The reasons are simple.
  • It's just as strong as a 290.
  • It uses less power, and will makes less noise as a result.
  • It can be SLI'd easier due to less heat.
  • At your current resolution/hz, it is overkill, but you can use DSR to make use of extra GPU power to make your games very pretty.

DSR is basically forced supersampling. It renders the game larger internally, then downscales it to match your resolution. It's the most pure and by far the prettiest form of Anti-Aliasing available.

Depending on the model it also costs the same or a little more as the 290 you linked;
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/4gb-zotac-gtx-970-7010mhz-gddr5-gpu-1076mhz-boost-1216mhz-1664-cores-1x-dp-2x-dvi-1x-hdmi

EDIT:
Also, "ti" means "a step above". There is a 750ti and a 760ti as well. Just because the 780ti says ti doesn't make it comparable to other ti models.
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It really is, I don't know what black friday will bring , but I don't see prices for these top tier older gen cards getting much lower than what I paid.
I've always settled for the cheaper versions of the same gpu , but there is quite a difference once you start overclocking, that's for sure.
Looking forward to playing with the Lightning, should be here Friday. I think it will end up being paired with my z87 mpower/4790k rig, they have the same color theme. Any suggestions for a case that would match the yellow and black board and card? Something that would handle 240 or 280 rad smile.gif

EDIT : @Johan45 here is the deal i got on the classy http://www.overclock.net/t/1521591/newegg-evga-780-ti-classified-359-99-after-40-rebate-with-borderlands-too

I've done really well in the bargain hunting dept lately, those 2 cards and the Z87 Mpower was only $88 at fry's ( wow, what a board - bios options out the wazoo). The only thing I feel like I spent too much on was the $340 4790k frown.gif . But , it's 400 miles to the nearest microcenter, and I got impatient lol.

A shame too since in about a week Microcenter will charge about $180-200 for an i7. They do it every year. I'd have shipped one to you, I've done it for people before. tongue.gif
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Looks like the deal is over. still over 600 and for a Canuck that'll still be in the $700 range.
@KyadCK
I've been watching the prices pretty close and have never come across a deal like the one cssorkinman came across. I haven't found a 780ti here for less that $650 yet. I'm tempted to just get a 980 for the same price.
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2560 shaders vs 1792.
4GB VRAM vs 3GB
323GB/s bandwidth vs 240GB/s
64 ROPs vs 32.

It's about 50-60% stronger overall. It doesn't have many features above the 7950 aside from XDMA, and the DCU II cooler for the 290(x) was meh by DCU standards, but it was still a good cooler. Honestly, you're on 1080 60hz, a 290 is made for 4k and can do 1440 60hz on its own in most games, it's overkill. But...

*Prepares for all the people who think I'm a diehard AMD fanboy to die of heart attack*

If you were going to spend that much on a GPU and not upgrade your monitor to a 120/144hz or 1440p, I would recommend the GTX 970 instead. The reasons are simple.
  • It's just as strong as a 290.
  • It uses less power, and will makes less noise as a result.
  • It can be SLI'd easier due to less heat.
  • At your current resolution/hz, it is overkill, but you can use DSR to make use of extra GPU power to make your games very pretty.

DSR is basically forced supersampling. It renders the game larger internally, then downscales it to match your resolution. It's the most pure and by far the prettiest form of Anti-Aliasing available.

Depending on the model it also costs the same or a little more as the 290 you linked;
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/4gb-zotac-gtx-970-7010mhz-gddr5-gpu-1076mhz-boost-1216mhz-1664-cores-1x-dp-2x-dvi-1x-hdmi

EDIT:
Also, "ti" means "a step above". There is a 750ti and a 760ti as well. Just because the 780ti says ti doesn't make it comparable to other ti models.
A shame too since in about a week Microcenter will charge about $180-200 for an i7. They do it every year. I'd have shipped one to you, I've done it for people before. tongue.gif

thanks for the info dude really informative.......the wife would cut off my lil pinky redface.gif if i choose a monitor too haha if i could rep i would tongue.gif

ill probably just save and upgrade both....thanks again
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Well playing around with it I finally got to the best overclock I could with my setup. I wanted to post here because I haven't found much about the Biostar TA970 overclocking on the internet.

Board: Biostar TA970 ver 5.3 with 97XAD312.BSS BIOS
Processor: FX-8320E @ 3.96Ghz
Memory: G.Skill Ares 2x4GB DDR3-1866 9-10-9-28 T2 timings (Part# F3-1866C9D-8GAB)
PSU: Raidmax Hybrid 2 RX-530SS 530W (Purchased in 2011 and used on old system)
Video: Radeon Sapphire 7970 OC with Boost 3GB

Ended up playing with CPU Clock and multiplier to get the whole system where I wanted it. At first, I did multiplier only and couldn't get above 4GHZ (and still can't, I've been told and read it is limitation of the 4+1 VRM and my inexpensive board, which I'm ok with)
Originally 200Mhz clock and 20 mulitplier with 1.25V Core VID and Over voltage set to +.04V for CPU.

Then moved to CPU clock timings. Ended up with these settings:
CPU Clock 240mhz
Multiplier 16.5 = 3960mhz cpu speed
Moved HT speed down to 2ghz to end up with 2.4ghz effective speed
Moved NB speed down to 1.8ghz to end up with 2.16ghz effective speed (original was 2.2ghz)
This set my 1866 ram at DDR3-1920 at the stock clocks of 9-10-9-28 T2

I had to voltage up things a little to:
Core VID = 1.25V
NB VID = 1.225? (I'm not at home but pretty sure that is what I needed to boot CPU clock 240)
and under over voltage config:
memory +.01V
cpu Vcore +.04V
cpu-nb over votlage +.02V

I think that covers about all my settings. I would like to play higher but the VRM or my PSU is holding me back and I'm very happy for the extreme budget build I put together. This yielding my Firestrike score on 3DMark going up from around 5100 to 5500 and memory speeds went up as well. Not a huge gain but not bad I guess.
I haven't had much luck overclock video card at this point I'm guessing pushing everything else isn't helping.
Again just typing this up, any feedback is welcome but mainly putting out there for those trying to play with these inexpensive TA970 or similar boards.
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