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Right but my point in the first place was that if a game demands more CPU power the i7 is going to shine over an FX. It doesn't matter how you slice it. You can blame poor coding, or Intels one sided compiler it really is irrelevant. I'm an AMD fanboy but I still can't ignore the obvious.

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Yeah it would/does, Just depends on the game, settings, resolution etc etc etc.

I didn't think i was debating that point tongue.gif

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I really look it this way:
Intel IS faster but amd has a better price/performance ratio.

But, sadly, this round seems to be the last for a while for amd.
The upcoming series of APU chips ain't gonna cut it by far for gaming.
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Your wishes have been heard!

http://t.co/WMPRW3cA5L

Futuremark is working with on bringing Mantle + DX12 into their next benchmark biggrin.gif

Woohoo.
I like it.
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http://t.co/WMPRW3cA5L

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HAZAA!!!!
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I wasn't really trying to start anything. That wasn't my point. Even in real world the Intel is going to get more FPS, typically. I'm not even going to touch the cost vs. performance thing.
@ cssorkinman, there's something going on, I went and checked a couple of other subs and as my physics scores went up with the increase in speed the combined score went down. I do think the drivers aren't quite set for the new GFX cards . Might be part of it but....
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So in this example:
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/3191936/fs/3214276


We can see that my thuban @ 4GHz REALLY IS competing directly with the 4690k at 4GHz????
Beating it in physics by a long shot, and competing head to head in combined performance......


I mean, I'll take that comparison anyday, but seems unreal to me... I can't see this favoring intel at all, I'm more shocked by AMD than anything... I know I have 6 cores, but it's a much OLDER and much SLOWER architecture...

Thoughts?
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So in this example:
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/3191936/fs/3214276


We can see that my thuban @ 4GHz REALLY IS competing directly with the 4690k at 4GHz????
Beating it in physics by a long shot, and competing head to head in combined performance......


I mean, I'll take that comparison anyday, but seems unreal to me... I can't see this favoring intel at all, I'm more shocked by AMD than anything... I know I have 6 cores, but it's a much OLDER and much SLOWER architecture...

Thoughts?

It goes back to how things are being measured , which provides for a lot of consternation. It's also worth noting that the Intel was most likely not running all 4 cores at 4 ghz .

I would say this however - in my opinion, 8 core vish > 6 core thuban > any 4 core 4 thread chip and I've ran a good number of them.

Just getting started with the 4790K - will validate at 4.8 ghz on stock voltage, but will hit it's thermal limit on a stock cooler at stock speeds running the XTU benchmark . I need better cooling to see what it can do.
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It goes back to how things are being measured , which provides for a lot of consternation. It's also worth noting that the Intel was most likely not running all 4 cores at 4 ghz .

I would say this however - in my opinion, 8 core vish > 6 core thuban > any 4 core 4 thread chip and I've ran a good number of them.

Just getting started with the 4790K - will validate at 4.8 ghz on stock voltage, but will hit it's thermal limit on a stock cooler at stock speeds running the XTU benchmark . I need better cooling to see what it can do.

Actually, I believe the 4690 was running 4GHz on all cores....

This is even more interesting:
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/3176256/fs/3251225
Here is my chip (mine personally) at 4.25GHz, and a 4690k running at 4.6GHz SAME video cards (My last run I did on my 280x before selling it to get my 290), mine is clocked a little higher....

What is going on with the coding of Firestrike that thuban loves it so much? Cause I need ALL new games to be written this way biggrin.gif lol
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Actually, I believe the 4690 was running 4GHz on all cores....

This is even more interesting:
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/3176256/fs/3251225
Here is my chip (mine personally) at 4.25GHz, and a 4690k running at 4.6GHz SAME video cards (My last run I did on my 280x before selling it to get my 290), mine is clocked a little higher....

What is going on with the coding of Firestrike that thuban loves it so much? Cause I need ALL new games to be written this way biggrin.gif lol

To give n example

your point is a bit moot, reason being is that the 83xx chips are not getting fully utilized as they should, different uArch, It would be like a 1100t was read how the 83xx chips are being read, for the combined score you would see that the x6 chip would be running at x3 in the combined for physics, which drastically reduces the actual performance.

Now cause the thubans and intel chips are not modularized you don't see that result however with the bd/pd/sr/ and soon ex chips you see this due to the modules, 3dmark for the combined scrore is reading the each module as 1 core, instead of 2 so you end up with only a partial of the instructions getting processed at a time.
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To give n example

your point is a bit moot, reason being is that the 83xx chips are not getting fully utilized as they should, different uArch, It would be like a 1100t was read how the 83xx chips are being read, for the combined score you would see that the x6 chip would be running at x3 in the combined for physics, which drastically reduces the actual performance.

Now cause the thubans and intel chips are not modularized you don't see that result however with the bd/pd/sr/ and soon ex chips you see this due to the modules, 3dmark for the combined scrore is reading the each module as 1 core, instead of 2 so you end up with only a partial of the instructions getting processed at a time.

I understand all the jazz with vishera having modules, and thuban has 6 actual cores..... my point is, I am surprised to see how the thuban is fairing against the i5. At 350MHz less, it directly competes with it. Seems pretty impressive.
Looks like when they coded Firestrike to intentionally make AMD look bad, they forgot some people were still using phenom 2's???? lachen.gif

PLEASE, find the humor in sarcasm in all that.....
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I understand all the jazz with vishera having modules, and thuban has 6 actual cores..... my point is, I am surprised to see how the thuban is fairing against the i5. At 350MHz less, it directly competes with it. Seems pretty impressive.
Looks like when they coded Firestrike to intentionally make AMD look bad, they forgot some people were still using phenom 2's???? lachen.gif

PLEASE, find the humor in sarcasm in all that.....

I do and that you explained a little better it makes sense of what your post was, at first it sounded like you where bashing amd kinda thing,, thats why I wanted to clarify thumb.gif
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I do and that you explained a little better it makes sense of what your post was, at first it sounded like you where bashing amd kinda thing,, thats why I wanted to clarify thumb.gif

Oh, okay, I was wondering why you called my post "moot" lol
It's the same ol' same ol' confusion of context. We don't always type things like we mean them...... tongue.gif

Not AMD bashing at all.... to be honest, I think that AMD dropped 6 and 8 core CPU's ahead of their time.....
My thuban is more competitive now than it was when it was new, MINUS the instruction set.
All I have to do is look at my performance in Skyrim, and then look at my performance in Crysis 3 or BF4......
My performance is similar believe it or not, because Skyrim only uses 2 cores!!!! So at the time, when overclocked 2500K's were destroying the phenom 2's and FX in gaming performnace, it's because the single thread performance across two cores was so much faster with intel. Now that I've got games will show all 6 of my cores some love, I can hang right in there with i5's......

You want to see something else VERY interesting???
AWESOME READ:
http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?481566-DirectX11-1-amp-Mantle-In-Battlefield-4&p=4560051#post4560051

If we could get rolleyes.gif available on a wide scale, we would NOT be nit picking AMD about their CPU's game performance anymore.
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MouseMouse PadOther
Logitech G700s Aukey Smooth 36" Gaming Pad Logitech Driving Force GT  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom X6 1065T @ 4GHz - 1.45v MSI 970 Gaming XFX DD 7870 Black Edition @ 1200/1500 G. Skill Trident-X 8GB  
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
ADATA SP550 240GB SSD Lite On 24x DVD  Corsair H80i Windows 10 
MonitorPowerCase
46" 1080P LED TV Raidmax RX850 Apevia X-Dreamer 3 Pink 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-9590 @ 5GHz Asus 990FX Sabertooth Rev 2.0 MSI Gaming 390X G. Skill Trident X 4x4GB  
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB Seagate Barracuda 1TB SATA 3  LEPA 240AC Windows 10 x64 Pro 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG 55UB8500 55" 4K 3D TV Logitech MK350 Rosewill HIVE 850 NZXT S340 
MouseMouse PadOther
Logitech G700s Aukey Smooth 36" Gaming Pad Logitech Driving Force GT  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom X6 1065T @ 4GHz - 1.45v MSI 970 Gaming XFX DD 7870 Black Edition @ 1200/1500 G. Skill Trident-X 8GB  
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
ADATA SP550 240GB SSD Lite On 24x DVD  Corsair H80i Windows 10 
MonitorPowerCase
46" 1080P LED TV Raidmax RX850 Apevia X-Dreamer 3 Pink 
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