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Oh, okay, I was wondering why you called my post "moot" lol
It's the same ol' same ol' confusion of context. We don't always type things like we mean them...... tongue.gif

Not AMD bashing at all.... to be honest, I think that AMD dropped 6 and 8 core CPU's ahead of their time.....
My thuban is more competitive now than it was when it was new, MINUS the instruction set.
All I have to do is look at my performance in Skyrim, and then look at my performance in Crysis 3 or BF4......
My performance is similar believe it or not, because Skyrim only uses 2 cores!!!! So at the time, when overclocked 2500K's were destroying the phenom 2's and FX in gaming performnace, it's because the single thread performance across two cores was so much faster with intel. Now that I've got games will show all 6 of my cores some love, I can hang right in there with i5's......

You want to see something else VERY interesting???
AWESOME READ:
http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?481566-DirectX11-1-amp-Mantle-In-Battlefield-4&p=4560051#post4560051

If we could get rolleyes.gif available on a wide scale, we would NOT be nit picking AMD about their CPU's game performance anymore.

that is pretty much what I was getting at with 3dmark needing to have mantle which seems to have already been put in motion

to also add, that has been an issue with AMD for sometime now is that the coding hasn't been there.. thats why they came out with mantle and working on HSA to load the CPU in an optimized fashion.. its one thing that Intel fanboys always miss

granted yes intel has the best chip on the market, but how well does it get utilized.. my 8350 is over 2 years old now.. and still keeps up
Edited by F3ERS 2 ASH3S - 11/20/14 at 11:08am
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that is pretty much what I was getting at with 3dmark needing to have mantle which seems to have already been put in motion

to also add, that has been an issue with AMD for sometime now is that the coding hasn't been there.. thats why they came out with mantle and working on HSA to load the CPU in an optimized fashion.. its one thing that Intel fanboys always miss

granted yes intel has the best chip on the market, but how well does it get utilized.. my 8350 is over 2 years old now.. and still keeps up

Exactly!!

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Not AMD bashing at all.... to be honest, I think that AMD dropped 6 and 8 core CPU's ahead of their time.....

If AMD had actually made them true six and eight core CPUs they wouldn't have had so many issues along the way starting with Windows itself. It's not like they couldn't have done it and why they would even think it would work out well is beyond me. I can understand the longer pipes to try and increase speed but sharing resources at the beginning of the road certainly hobbled the whole design. It's not the sofware's fault that it can't read an odd ball CPU like that. Maybe it was an oversight on AMD's part. If Futuremark was so inclined they could have patched that I suppose but why? Is it really worth their time? The money is always with / in and behind Intel. All manufacturers are the same, take your motherboard for instance, especially high end ones. Intel boards get a lot more attention and support because the maker will sell a lot more of them.
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Hey, question for you.... how happy are you with that Capstone PSU??? I am thinking about getting that exact model... I blew mine up overclocking my 290, lol

I have a Capstone 1K and it took my 9370 and 2 GFX cards well beyond normal speeds. I like it , the connector could be better but it works fine. Also made by Superflower.
Edited by Johan45 - 11/20/14 at 11:19am
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An update if you will, still trying to find that sweet spot for my 4.9GHz, currently at 1.536v under load and 1.512v idle max temp is 60c or so but it does randomly spike to 68c for a millisecond or so on very high IBT AVX lol. Still learning a lot yet so will keep on trying!
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If AMD had actually made them true six and eight core CPUs they wouldn't have had so many issues along the way starting with Windows itself. It's not like they couldn't have done it and why they would even think it would work out well is beyond me. I can understand the longer pipes to try and increase speed but sharing resources at the beginning of the road certainly hobbled the whole design. It's not the sofware's fault that it can't read an odd ball CPU like that. Maybe it was an oversight on AMD's part. If Futuremark was so inclined they could have patched that I suppose but why? Is it really worth their time? The money is always with / in and behind Intel. All manufacturers are the same, take your motherboard for instance, especially high end ones. Intel boards get a lot more attention and support because the maker will sell a lot more of them.
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I agree with most of that, except for the age old point, that AMD CPU's aren't priced in the enthusiast realm anyways.... At $150, the 8350 is awesome. It's the fact that they don't offer a $300 chip that competes is the problem, I guess redface.gif
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If AMD had actually made them true six and eight core CPUs they wouldn't have had so many issues along the way starting with Windows itself. It's not like they couldn't have done it and why they would even think it would work out well is beyond me. I can understand the longer pipes to try and increase speed but sharing resources at the beginning of the road certainly hobbled the whole design. It's not the sofware's fault that it can't read an odd ball CPU like that. Maybe it was an oversight on AMD's part. If Futuremark was so inclined they could have patched that I suppose but why? Is it really worth their time? The money is always with / in and behind Intel. All manufacturers are the same, take your motherboard for instance, especially high end ones. Intel boards get a lot more attention and support because the maker will sell a lot more of them.
All I can say in the end is hopefully AMD can pull something out of their golden goose this time around. If not then their Enthusiast class CPU will be pretty much done IMO. They're already losing people to Intel because of the mess they made of Piledriver/Bulldozer and they need to be better than the next generation of INTEL. It's not easy convincing people to come back when you're only as good as the competitions last model.

I agree with most of that, except for the age old point, that AMD CPU's aren't priced in the enthusiast realm anyways.... At $150, the 8350 is awesome. It's the fact that they don't offer a $300 chip that competes is the problem, I guess redface.gif

Ya but, I paid almost $250 for my 8350 2 years ago and they tried the $500 9590 don't forget. They tried but no one wanted to pay double for a prettied up version of the 8350.
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Ya but, I paid almost $250 for my 8350 2 years ago and they tried the $500 9590 don't forget. They tried but no one wanted to pay double for a prettied up version of the 8350.

Wow, I had no idea they tried to sell the 9590 for that much!!!!
That's laughable....
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Initially , here any way I think it was closer to $700 and the 9370 was $350. Ya it was laughable. Most perceived it as just a money grab.
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Exactly!!

Hey, question for you.... how happy are you with that Capstone PSU??? I am thinking about getting that exact model... I blew mine up overclocking my 290, lol

TBH I love it 750w can handle 1.68v on CPU and 2x 280x many fans pump and more.. so its of pretty good quality
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If AMD had actually made them true six and eight core CPUs they wouldn't have had so many issues along the way starting with Windows itself. It's not like they couldn't have done it and why they would even think it would work out well is beyond me. I can understand the longer pipes to try and increase speed but sharing resources at the beginning of the road certainly hobbled the whole design. It's not the sofware's fault that it can't read an odd ball CPU like that. Maybe it was an oversight on AMD's part. If Futuremark was so inclined they could have patched that I suppose but why? Is it really worth their time? The money is always with / in and behind Intel. All manufacturers are the same, take your motherboard for instance, especially high end ones. Intel boards get a lot more attention and support because the maker will sell a lot more of them.
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I have a Capstone 1K and it took my 9370 and 2 GFX cards well beyond normal speeds. I like it , the connector could be better but it works fine. Also made by Superflower.

I agree with your points as you have to make a product for the current market and then have it grow the market as well, however in the same thing as well is that a portion of the coding could have been changed for example Skyrim as it is the easiest one to point out still using dated coding... even for intel...
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That's so true , it's such a popular game but I think it's best played on console. TBH
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