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If it is near or at the limit your cooling can take... you are done.
4.4 is a nice clock, nothing to be ashamed of.

To me, lock-ups might just as well mean to low a voltage. Could be core, could be ram, could be cpu-nb...
But, you are at the limit already so this is a closed case.

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Now we are at it. It seemed that 1.44v was actually to low for my 4.7 clock. IBT failed.
Bumped 2 notches and now it passed 12 runs of IBT Very High with 1.464v.

    
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So I decided on black friday that I needed to get me some more ram. Now i have 4 sticks of Gskill tridentx 2400mhz. 4x4gigs. My rig ran great at 2425mhz cl1 at 2x4gigs, no problems.. I put this ram in and I try to start up a game with just 2400mhz and it freezes.. I try it at 2133mhz and its fine... But now im like. well shoot i want it, to run at 2400mhz. Is my IMC that crappy? I see loads of people making 4x4 2400mhz work.. Or am I doing something wrong..

1. Put the cpu/nb all the way up to 1.35v with high llc
2. Put the ram voltage to 1.670 with 130% Dram current capability
3. Put the VDDR to 1.245

I even raised the cpu vcore NB voltage.. Um am I missing anything else...



Oh, have to add, that i have to have the bus frequency at 200, use to have it at 300, but it would freeze on startup now..
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First did you test the "new" set on it's own to make sure there are no issues with it? Secondly what NB speed were you running. You'll likely need 25-2600 at least to keep that ram running right. Make sure you don't have it set to 1T and start with your tRFC at 300+
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So I decided on black friday that I needed to get me some more ram. Now i have 4 sticks of Gskill tridentx 2400mhz. 4x4gigs. My rig ran great at 2425mhz cl1 at 2x4gigs, no problems.. I put this ram in and I try to start up a game with just 2400mhz and it freezes.. I try it at 2133mhz and its fine... But now im like. well shoot i want it, to run at 2400mhz. Is my IMC that crappy? I see loads of people making 4x4 2400mhz work.. Or am I doing something wrong..

1. Put the cpu/nb all the way up to 1.35v with high llc
2. Put the ram voltage to 1.670 with 130% Dram current capability
3. Put the VDDR to 1.245

I even raised the cpu vcore NB voltage.. Um am I missing anything else...



Oh, have to add, that i have to have the bus frequency at 200, use to have it at 300, but it would freeze on startup now..

4x2400 isn't the easiest thing for FX chips to do. By no means is it impossible.

work on your cpu with 300ish fsb with your memory @ 2000 something (cant remember what the speed under 2400 at this fsb is, fairly sure its not exactly 2133)

your going to want to put your NB to 2600-2700mhz, and your going to need to jack up your HT 3000 would be a good place to aim for.

give yourself some thermal headroom before you start tweaking your ram upto 2400.. you might need to jack up your cpu/nb voltage (depending on your chip, and the sticks)

Some will cringe but you are likely going to need 1.4v ish underload to manage this on your cpu/nb voltage.
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So I decided on black friday that I needed to get me some more ram. Now i have 4 sticks of Gskill tridentx 2400mhz. 4x4gigs. My rig ran great at 2425mhz cl1 at 2x4gigs, no problems.. I put this ram in and I try to start up a game with just 2400mhz and it freezes.. I try it at 2133mhz and its fine... But now im like. well shoot i want it, to run at 2400mhz. Is my IMC that crappy? I see loads of people making 4x4 2400mhz work.. Or am I doing something wrong..

1. Put the cpu/nb all the way up to 1.35v with high llc
2. Put the ram voltage to 1.670 with 130% Dram current capability
3. Put the VDDR to 1.245

I even raised the cpu vcore NB voltage.. Um am I missing anything else...



Oh, have to add, that i have to have the bus frequency at 200, use to have it at 300, but it would freeze on startup now..

Probably going to need more cpu/nb volts 1.425 to 1.45. If you enable docp in bio's and leave cpu/nb to auto it should find it's own stable voltage ( 1.4 to 1.45 depending on my timings etc.)
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4x2400 isn't the easiest thing for FX chips to do. By no means is it impossible.

work on your cpu with 300ish fsb with your memory @ 2000 something (cant remember what the speed under 2400 at this fsb is, fairly sure its not exactly 2133)

your going to want to put your NB to 2600-2700mhz, and your going to need to jack up your HT 3000 would be a good place to aim for.

give yourself some thermal headroom before you start tweaking your ram upto 2400.. you might need to jack up your cpu/nb voltage (depending on your chip, and the sticks)

Some will cringe but you are likely going to need 1.4v ish underload to manage this on your cpu/nb voltage.

This.

2400 by itself can be pretty stressfull on the IMC, let alone 4 sticks.

OP, what is your cpu clock?
I found out that a higher clock requires even more cpu-nb and cpu voltage.

Start low and work your way up. Don't expect that 1+1=2.
Things don't work that easy.

Good luck. And post results.
Be sure to do benches in between though so you can find your sweet spot, performance/voltage wise.
    
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First did you test the "new" set on it's own to make sure there are no issues with it? Secondly what NB speed were you running. You'll likely need 25-2600 at least to keep that ram running right. Make sure you don't have it set to 1T and start with your tRFC at 300+

did test the ram, and its ok. nb is at 2400, can get it stable to 2550.., anything past that and it gets quarky.
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4x2400 isn't the easiest thing for FX chips to do. By no means is it impossible.

work on your cpu with 300ish fsb with your memory @ 2000 something (cant remember what the speed under 2400 at this fsb is, fairly sure its not exactly 2133)

your going to want to put your NB to 2600-2700mhz, and your going to need to jack up your HT 3000 would be a good place to aim for.

give yourself some thermal headroom before you start tweaking your ram upto 2400.. you might need to jack up your cpu/nb voltage (depending on your chip, and the sticks)

Some will cringe but you are likely going to need 1.4v ish underload to manage this on your cpu/nb voltage.


I had the fsb up to 225 and that worked fine, but anything other then that and the computer would freeze on startup..

HT maxed out at 2950 i belive at 225.. For whatever reason I cannot get a NB stable over 2550mhz... It could be, because I try to keep my cpu/nb under 1.35v and my NB under 1.250.. NB Gets pretty hot, even with a fan blowing on it.. gets to about 50c. I blew up my crosshair IV Extreme cause of high NB temps.

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Probably going to need more cpu/nb volts 1.425 to 1.45. If you enable docp in bio's and leave cpu/nb to auto it should find it's own stable voltage ( 1.4 to 1.45 depending on my timings etc.)

I will try this tonight.. Thanks... I was told over and over in the Crosshair V forum, that this is bad for the mobo and cpu.. But then i hear its ok.. I guess we will see what happens. Just trying to watch cpu temps... H100i just cant handle as much as i wish i could.
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This.

2400 by itself can be pretty stressfull on the IMC, let alone 4 sticks.

OP, what is your cpu clock?
I found out that a higher clock requires even more cpu-nb and cpu voltage.

Start low and work your way up. Don't expect that 1+1=2.
Things don't work that easy.

Good luck. And post results.
Be sure to do benches in between though so you can find your sweet spot, performance/voltage wise.


Right now I have it running 24X200(4.8ghz) for stability and ram at 2133mhz... can get it to 21.5x225 (4.837) ran windows just fine, but would freeze during bf4 startup. ram was running at 23xxmhz.


Thanks guys again for all the comments. I'll get this figured out.
Edited by Taint3dBulge - 12/4/14 at 10:12am
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post #43508 of 68053
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If it is near or at the limit your cooling can take... you are done.
4.4 is a nice clock, nothing to be ashamed of.

To me, lock-ups might just as well mean to low a voltage. Could be core, could be ram, could be cpu-nb...
But, you are at the limit already so this is a closed case.

thumb.gif

Well I'm hitting my temp max when running IBT, but when I'm playing lets say bf4 or fc4 its at least 10-15c cooler. tongue.gif
Yea I'm sticking with 4.4 for now and was gonna start playing with my ram which is currently stock 1600 9-9-9-24, I'm hoping to get a new cooler and maybe a SSD for xmas if I get enough $ so maybe with a new cooler I can go further.

I upped the voltage out of curiosity when trying for 4.5 but even going up to 1.452 peak makes my PC lock up. I also tried a some a few different LLCs with no avail. its just making me scratch my head because last winter I was prime stable with 1.416v under load and I've used up to 1.5v on this motherboard when I was wondering what it'd take for 5.0 and it didn't lock up like it has when testing with ibt @4.5


Also If I were to get a new cool what would be my best choice for under $100, noctuna d14? h100i? What kind of temp differences would it be from a coolmaster tx3 (almost a 212evo) to a present cooler. 5c? 10c? 15c+?
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Originally Posted by Johan45 View Post

First did you test the "new" set on it's own to make sure there are no issues with it? Secondly what NB speed were you running. You'll likely need 25-2600 at least to keep that ram running right. Make sure you don't have it set to 1T and start with your tRFC at 300+

did test the ram, and its ok. nb is at 2400, can get it stable to 2550.., anything past that and it gets quarky.
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4x2400 isn't the easiest thing for FX chips to do. By no means is it impossible.

work on your cpu with 300ish fsb with your memory @ 2000 something (cant remember what the speed under 2400 at this fsb is, fairly sure its not exactly 2133)

your going to want to put your NB to 2600-2700mhz, and your going to need to jack up your HT 3000 would be a good place to aim for.

give yourself some thermal headroom before you start tweaking your ram upto 2400.. you might need to jack up your cpu/nb voltage (depending on your chip, and the sticks)

Some will cringe but you are likely going to need 1.4v ish underload to manage this on your cpu/nb voltage.


I had the fsb up to 225 and that worked fine, but anything other then that and the computer would freeze on startup..

HT maxed out at 2950 i belive at 225.. For whatever reason I cannot get a NB stable over 2550mhz... It could be, because I try to keep my cpu/nb under 1.35v and my NB under 1.250.. NB Gets pretty hot, even with a fan blowing on it.. gets to about 50c. I blew up my crosshair IV Extreme cause of high NB temps.


Right now I have it running 24X200(4.8ghz) for stability and ram at 2133mhz... can get it to 21.5x225 (4.837) ran windows just fine, but would freeze during bf4 startup. ram was running at 23xxmhz.


Thanks guys again for all the comments. I'll get this figured out.

Post some bios screen shots. a fan on your VRM heatsink is all you need for some cooling on the NB.
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So I bit the bullet new power supply 8320e processor and gskill rip jaws 2133 kit coming...I will be taking this and donating my components to fiance a "new" rig reusing only graphics card and hard drive...hopefully this e processor does a little better than mine...here's to hoping the rip jaws perform well as well
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