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Well if it is a design like the Extreme 9, it will simply be 4+1 phase with DOUBLERS to make it an 8+2 phase design. But it isn't a TRUE 8 phase design.

I think the manufacturers are more on the right side and the enthusiasts that use their own labelling more on the wrong. I mean, calling them "4+1 with a doubler". I think a more correct name would be "8+2 using a doubler". Because when a newbie reads "4+1" he thinks it's the same as a 4+1 with an additional chip added that "cheats" and more or less doubles the "load" on each phase. Which isn't the case. A real 4+1 phase, will have 5 chokes, 5 groups of mosfets. An 8+2 with doublers, will have 10 chokes, 10 groups of mosfets. The only difference is that it uses the doubler to split the PWM signal in 2. But for the rest, is just like a normal 8+2. So i think the manufacturers are more correct on their labelling, even if it isn't 100% accurate.

http://sinhardware.com/index.php/vrm-articles/82-vrm-guide


The rest is a question of quality. If a manufacturer really wants, he could make an 8+2 without doublers, that beats a true 8+2. There are claims that also the Giga 970 UD3P is using doublers. If it's true, for an 80 euro board, it just shows that the problem isn't the doubler, but the quality of the rest of the components.
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So my view on this.. fm2+ extreme6 fm2+ extreme6

they've seemed to have reused the VRM design from this board to their new "mid-range" am3+ board.

if this is the case i would advise against doing ANY form of overclocking on this board, would even go as far to recommend against this


their 990fx mobo looks cheap in comparison to their FM2+ mobo , looks to me like they went into CAD took out the graphics aspect of the FM2+ board, added an m.2 and made some minor visual changes and then sent it out the door.

Slightly clunky bios Half the monitor sensors don't monitor variable voltages it merely monitors what you set to bios.

EX6 is passable on Fm2+ and i would simply pass on it on Am3+. IMHO OFC.
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...So i think the manufacturers are more correct on their labelling, even if it isn't 100% accurate.
http://sinhardware.com/index.php/vrm-articles/82-vrm-guide
The rest is a question of quality....
Very interesting and informative article, thanks for the link. thumb.gif
 
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Well if it is a design like the Extreme 9, it will simply be 4+1 phase with DOUBLERS to make it an 8+2 phase design. But it isn't a TRUE 8 phase design.

I think the manufacturers are more on the right side and the enthusiasts that use their own labelling more on the wrong. I mean, calling them "4+1 with a doubler". I think a more correct name would be "8+2 using a doubler". Because when a newbie reads "4+1" he thinks it's the same as a 4+1 with an additional chip added that "cheats" and more or less doubles the "load" on each phase. Which isn't the case. A real 4+1 phase, will have 5 chokes, 5 groups of mosfets. An 8+2 with doublers, will have 10 chokes, 10 groups of mosfets. The only difference is that it uses the doubler to split the PWM signal in 2. But for the rest, is just like a normal 8+2. So i think the manufacturers are more correct on their labelling, even if it isn't 100% accurate.

http://sinhardware.com/index.php/vrm-articles/82-vrm-guide


The rest is a question of quality. If a manufacturer really wants, he could make an 8+2 without doublers, that beats a true 8+2. There are claims that also the Giga 970 UD3P is using doublers. If it's true, for an 80 euro board, it just shows that the problem isn't the doubler, but the quality of the rest of the components.
Thanks Undervolter +rep. This guide helped me work out that the M5A99FX pro has a maximum theoretical out put of 280 amps thanks to the use of 8x 68uH inductors that can deliver 35A each, on the CPU side. What that will translate to in watts I have NO IDEA! But yeah it seems cool. I also learned that the tiny little part I broke off my motherboard a little while ago when redoing the motherboard heatsink was a very small Multilayer Ceramic Capacitor or MLCC. These are mostly used for ripple suppression from the sounds of it. It thankfully seems I didn't screw the pooch too hard when I broke that piece off the motherboard!

I also learned that analogue PWM designs are not necessarily bad. But the digital PWM's do tend to be more precise.
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How far can go a 970A UD3 rev1.0 with a fx 8320/8350 and a good enough cooling?
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So I've posted on this thread several times and got some good advise. So please don't take this to be rude or "fanboy". Bit unsold my 8350 and sabertooth for 225 (sold in 5mins) didn't want to wait for a better offer. And got a i7 4790k and Asus pro z97. With the prices at microcenter I couldn't pass up. 350 for both together. And I wasn't sure what I'd see but there is a big difference games like arma fps is up 40 frames bf4 10-20fps and editing is fast to say the least. That being said if it wasn't for microcenter a deal I'd say 8350 hdd it's own very well for the price
    
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So I've posted on this thread several times and got some good advise. So please don't take this to be rude or "fanboy". Bit unsold my 8350 and sabertooth for 225 (sold in 5mins) didn't want to wait for a better offer. And got a i7 4790k and Asus pro z97. With the prices at microcenter I couldn't pass up. 350 for both together. And I wasn't sure what I'd see but there is a big difference games like arma fps is up 40 frames bf4 10-20fps and editing is fast to say the least. That being said if it wasn't for microcenter a deal I'd say 8350 hdd it's own very well for the price

Intel boy.... get him out of here!

Haha no, that really is a good deal.
Where I'm at that combo will cost me 480 euro(598 usd).

But you are right, cost wise... amd all the way IMO.


Fun run. What do you think of these temps? tongue.gif

Haven't seen stock clocks in a while.
    
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How far can go a 970A UD3 rev1.0 with a fx 8320/8350 and a good enough cooling?
i need this info for skitz9417
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i need this info for skitz9417

Wild guess...

4.6-4.7

What is good enough cooling?
Does that include custom cooling on the board?
    
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Wild guess...

4.6-4.7

What is good enough cooling?
Does that include custom cooling on the board?
i have a nh-d14 and cooling on the vrms
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