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I finally am able to use the CUDA cores on my GPU in Adobe biggrin.gif

What a world of difference compare to my CPU if i am rendering..

The first time i used my CPU and man it took a very very very long time to do even the smallest clips and video's now i use CUDA and i am going from 1 hour to only 15 minutes!!

Are these chips really that slow at rendering compare to Intel?

Umh, no, it's just that CPU rendering is obviously slower than GPU rendering.

Unless you have a 64 core CPU, I guess?
 
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I finally am able to use the CUDA cores on my GPU in Adobe biggrin.gif

What a world of difference compare to my CPU if i am rendering..

The first time i used my CPU and man it took a very very very long time to do even the smallest clips and video's now i use CUDA and i am going from 1 hour to only 15 minutes!!

Are these chips really that slow at rendering compare to Intel?

CPU rendering in general is slower than GPU rendering.

there must be something to it if all,if not most of the monster render houses use mainly CPU only Rendering.

depending on the settings and adobe products used, Intel doesn't show much of an improvement (cases where hyper threading does bullocks all)

dedicated rendering stations are generally 2p systems if not greater.
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uh... i get 80-90 fps with my Kaveri... using its Igpu @ 1080p

on my fx, with any of my cards 200+ fps solid

are you sure you know what your doing?

Nvidia drivers do have less cpu overhead, so I'd assume that's playing a part in that. If you were to report back on minimum continuous FPS when you walk around the south side of act 2 starting camp on NVIDIA to compare would be cool to! As for the APU, I have a hard time seeing you maintain constant 80 and up on it near the center of that area, though it'd definitely perform a bit better than my old FX at 4.5.

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CPU rendering in general is slower than GPU rendering.

there must be something to it if all,if not most of the monster render houses use mainly CPU only Rendering.

depending on the settings and adobe products used, Intel doesn't show much of an improvement (cases where hyper threading does bullocks all)

dedicated rendering stations are generally 2p systems if not greater.

GPU rendering using NVENC or the AMD equivalent is limited in how high compression you can use, so using CPU encoding can provide smaller filesizes. As for x264 cpu encode with the OpenCL flag set, I'm not very knowledgeable on that.
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Umh, no, it's just that CPU rendering is obviously slower than GPU rendering.

Unless you have a 64 core CPU, I guess?

Yes i know that GPU is much faster, 8 cores compare to 1664 CUDA cores.. but thnx for pointing it out anyway biggrin.gif
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Umh, no, it's just that CPU rendering is obviously slower than GPU rendering.

Unless you have a 64 core CPU, I guess?

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Originally Posted by FlailScHLAMP View Post

CPU rendering in general is slower than GPU rendering.

there must be something to it if all,if not most of the monster render houses use mainly CPU only Rendering.

depending on the settings and adobe products used, Intel doesn't show much of an improvement (cases where hyper threading does bullocks all)

dedicated rendering stations are generally 2p systems if not greater.


Yes its A LOT faster than CPU rendering i discovered. Going from 1 hour to only 15 minutes is an huge difference.

I just wondered if Intel is really that much faster because i seen and read on the net that Adobe can benefit from more cores and especially if its hyperthreaded.

It took me a while to figure out how to enable CUDA for my GPU in Adobe because it didn't recognize my card at first but if you delete the folder in the installation section its working fine.

No wonder more and more people are now GPU computing instead of CPU computing in heavy programs like Adobe etc.
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I just find it hard to believe that it is "impossible" for a gpu that is by all rights is better (if only by slightly) then the iGPU in steam roller apus, with an FX cpu.

using the karveri's iGPU, the cpu cores down clock to 3ghz and the meek 512 shaders on the chip are clocked to 840mhz 160mhz-310mhz slower then the 640 shaders clocks to a minimum of 1000mhz of a 7770


7770->gtx 760 and you keep 600$ in the pocket rather then going to another dead platform, turn 3d performance to to max power preferred in games and the problem would have been solved.

And that is what I had been trying to say, I just don't have the proof however the pure logic and numbers are on my side lol
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Originally Posted by hurricane28 View Post

I finally am able to use the CUDA cores on my GPU in Adobe biggrin.gif

What a world of difference compare to my CPU if i am rendering..

The first time i used my CPU and man it took a very very very long time to do even the smallest clips and video's now i use CUDA and i am going from 1 hour to only 15 minutes!!

Are these chips really that slow at rendering compare to Intel?


Nope it is due to that GPU rendering is parallel and can do the same task over and over again across many many lanes.. this is why AMD is going with HSA for the APUs, use cpus to calculate as GPU render and do parallel tasks

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Originally Posted by 3DVu View Post

Umh, no, it's just that CPU rendering is obviously slower than GPU rendering.

Unless you have a 64 core CPU, I guess?
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Originally Posted by FlailScHLAMP View Post

CPU rendering in general is slower than GPU rendering.

there must be something to it if all,if not most of the monster render houses use mainly CPU only Rendering.

depending on the settings and adobe products used, Intel doesn't show much of an improvement (cases where hyper threading does bullocks all)

dedicated rendering stations are generally 2p systems if not greater.


Pretty much this, there is a place for serial, which is where the CPU is best at, for everything else parallel, this is where you get more threads that render across more cores
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I finally am able to use the CUDA cores on my GPU in Adobe biggrin.gif

What a world of difference compare to my CPU if i am rendering..

The first time i used my CPU and man it took a very very very long time to do even the smallest clips and video's now i use CUDA and i am going from 1 hour to only 15 minutes!!

Are these chips really that slow at rendering compare to Intel?

CUDA rendering is notoriously low/poor quality, so pretty much all professional studios use CPU rendering.

that said cpu rendering is very slow on intel cpus as well. The reason is because cpus suck at calculus. Since gpus are just highly specialized triangle (trigonometry/calculus) calculators, they naturally would do quite well with rendering all things considered.
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And that is what I had been trying to say, I just don't have the proof however the pure logic and numbers are on my side lol
Nope it is due to that GPU rendering is parallel and can do the same task over and over again across many many lanes.. this is why AMD is going with HSA for the APUs, use cpus to calculate as GPU render and do parallel tasks
Pretty much this, there is a place for serial, which is where the CPU is best at, for everything else parallel, this is where you get more threads that render across more cores

Aha okay, well i don't need and want to know everything how it works, i only know that i use CUDA from now on when i am rendering lol

The main thin i know is that my CPU has 8 cores and my GPU has 1664 CUDA cores and that enough for me but thnx for explaining tho thumb.gif
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CUDA rendering is notoriously low/poor quality, so pretty much all professional studios use CPU rendering.

that said cpu rendering is very slow on intel cpus as well. The reason is because cpus suck at calculus. Since gpus are just highly specialized triangle (trigonometry/calculus) calculators, they naturally would do quite well with rendering all things considered.

LOL are you serious?? That's why they use Nvidia quadro/tesla cards in super computers for rendering? rolleyes.gif
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LOL are you serious?? That's why they use Nvidia quadro/tesla cards in super computers for rendering? rolleyes.gif

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/753358

they each do different things,..
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https://forums.adobe.com/thread/753358

they each do different things,..

Yes i understand that part but to say that CUDA has poor render performance is simply not true at all..

Most radiologists, biologists, software developers etc. etc. use CUDA for a reason and that is NOT because the render quality is more poor than with an CPU.

I know that the GPU's are more geared for graphics quality and the tesla/ quadro cards are more geared towards GPU computing but still i really like how fast these things can render man.

I did the same exact video, first with CPU render and later with GPU and i didn't see ANY difference at all, the files were equally big and the audio, video quality was exactly the same.
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